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Carbon_15
December 25, 2008, 10:06 PM
My wife and I spend the week in the keys and driving back throught Palm Beach we stoped at a Gander Mountain (we dont have one in SC). I fondeled a gun labeled as a Stoerger Trapdoor, but I suspect its a Uberti Since Stoeger dosnt list that model. I was wondering if anyone owns this gun. Whats can you tell me about it? Any pet loads?

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Eightball
December 26, 2008, 12:46 AM
Something about the Stoeger labelling strikes me as odd. If it was the Uberti model, I messed with one about 2 weeks ago in a Cabelas......I"ve always wanted one, and that kinda cemented it, it's just not at the top of the "to buy" list.

buttrap
December 26, 2008, 01:31 AM
Stoeger imports Uberti guns along with several other importers. I have a Stoeger marked Uberti No-3 .45 six-gun here.

Carbon_15
December 26, 2008, 01:22 PM
I never looked closely at the markings on the gun, the Stoger label was on the tag, and there were several other mislabeled things in the store. The sticker price was $999 and seemed a little high. Was that about right?
I'm starting to feel undergunned since my collection contains nothing that that starts with a .4

Carbon_15
December 26, 2008, 01:23 PM
I never looked closely at the markings on the gun, the Stoger label was on the tag, and there were several other mislabeled things in the store. The sticker price was $999 and seemed a little high. Was that about right?
I'm starting to feel undergunned since my collection contains nothing that that starts with a .4
Would I be better off with a Marlin Guide gun at half the price?

Ratshooter
December 26, 2008, 01:45 PM
If your into nostalgia or want to ride with Custers ghost at the little big horn get the trap door. If your serious about shooting and hunting with a 45-70 get the marlin.

I have shot an original trapdoor. The stock design makes them pretty hard on the shoulder and that was with the low powered ammo they are limited to. I use to have a marlin with the 22" barrel. The recoil was there but not in the same league as that old trapdor.

JWF III
December 26, 2008, 02:27 PM
I don't know about the Stoeger/Uberti question. But I own 2 originals, 1 rifle and 1 carbine. I absolutely love shooting each. I even deer hunted (in nice weather) with each a few years ago. Along with some Win. 92s at times.

They are great shooting and nostalgic guns, I always get questions when I take them to the range. IMO the are not hard on the shoulder, but that just me. (I've been known to shoot over 500 rounds of 12 ga. in a day of skeet shooting.)

The price kind of struck me though. I've seen (within the last few months) original rifles in the $750 ballpark. The last (original) carbine I saw was a few years ago, but it was in the same price range. Their value has not increased too much in the last decade. You could easily (I think) find an original Trapdoor for the same price as that repro. And with a little luck (and maybe work) find one cheaper.

My point being, a repro will not increase in value (save inflation). But an original will, eventually. All it'll take is a good movie about Custer's Last Stand, starring someone like Tom Cruise:barf: or Brad Pitt:barf:, and the prices will start to rise.

Wyman

Carbon_15
December 26, 2008, 09:04 PM
good point Wyman. I had actually though the same thing. With an origonal, will I be limited to BPC ammo?

JWF III
December 26, 2008, 09:58 PM
No, you're not limited to BP only. In the trapdoor design (even new repros) you are limited to the pressure of the cartridge. (Sorry , but not sure of exact numbers.) But the Marlin and Ruger load levels are too much.

I try to stick with the 405 gr. LRN at (or around) 1300 fps. This is close to the original BP loads, and within the limits on pressure.

Wyman

P.S.- I do know where there is an original rifle (you may be partial to a carbine, I don't know) for sale in central Georgia for $749.00. It's not mine of course, but it is at my favorite gun shop. Great place with a great reputation. Being an antique, it can be shipped straight to your house. No FFL required. PM me if interested. I had been thinking about getting it, but the housing market sucks right now, so no chance for a while. The shop is worth visiting if it's not too far (~ 1.5 hrs from N. Augusta) . Just plan on taking more than enough money, for all the other gotta haves. They have plenty of those if you like Mil-Surps.

Jefferson Herb
December 28, 2008, 06:37 PM
I have an 1890 dated 84mod with a good bore and Buffington sight.The only thing ,the stock has been shortened,[I have an 1882 short lever Martini the same way]which takes away value of the gun.Handloader had a fine article on Varget and listed loads for trapdoor.I will recommend as probably everyone who owns an origional, "use lead bullets" due to the softer steel used.I use 65 gr of black ,over powder wad and a 413 gr spitzer style bullet out of an old lyman mold.[Sharps?]I use the lyman 405 fn for my browning 1886.
Parts are still easy to find just find at reasonable price.
There is a very nice origional in my area at 1,995.00,so the one mentioned is reasonable.

Onmilo
December 29, 2008, 10:48 AM
I have a Pedersoli made 32" barrel Infantry rifle that I use for steel buffalo shoots.
Quality is quite good and the accuracy potential is far above what you will get from an original Springfield.

I have found SR-4759 to be an excellent smokeless powder for loading older blackpowder cartridges.
It is bulky and low pressure and was originally designed for loading these old cartridges.
25-27 grains and a 405 cast lead bullet is a good and safe load for trapdoors.

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