Which Scope to buy from Dick's for Rem 700


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redfireftr
December 26, 2008, 11:59 AM
Alright, so I have $80 in gift cards from Dick's Sporting Goods and need a scope for my Remington Model 700 30-06. I was wondering if you guys have any ideas on which one to go for from there. I have checked the other scope threads and it seems like a Prostaff is a pretty good scope.

I don't know much about scopes and I don't want anything too expensive and will be using it for deer.

Any ideas on scopes from Dick's?

Thanks.

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Deepskyy
December 26, 2008, 12:03 PM
If you go with the Nikon, drop the extra 10 bucks and get the one with the BDC rings.

Bartkowski
December 26, 2008, 12:34 PM
I would save my $10. The circles just get in my way. It's just to much stuff on the reticle for me. Other than the BDC, Nikons are great for the money. I have two buckmasters, both of which are very clear, and their adjustments seem pretty repeatable. Nikon's prostaff isn't bad either if you want to save a few bucks.

lipadj46
December 26, 2008, 12:46 PM
Buy a Nikon Team Primos 3-9x40 for $199 from SWFA and spend the $80 on ammo or whatever at Dicks. The Team Primos is a Monarch with a BDC reticle that Nikon changed the name (not to compete with the new 2.5-10 monarchs) and put on closeout. You will not find a better deal on a scope and it has the same lifetime warranty as the monarchs. This scope is a much better scope than the prostaff (it is made in Japan unlike wherever the prostaff is made).

Edit: Also look over at SWFA's Sample list for reconditioned, showroom models, discontinued, trade-ins etc...

http://www.samplelist.com/

carbine85
December 26, 2008, 01:05 PM
Unless you are in a hurry I would look at www.opticsplanet.com . They have everything and I have found the prices cheaper then Dicks.

redfireftr
December 26, 2008, 01:08 PM
Not sure what exactly the BDC rings are. Are they the rings that show you where to aim at 200, 300, 400 etc yards?

I am sure the Nikon Team Primos Prostaff is a great scope im just looking to buy one at Dick's because of the gift cards.

I looked up the Prostaffs and the Nikon Prostaff 6310 and 6320 differ in price $100 at Dick's. I printed out other retailers that are much cheaper and am planning on trying to get them to price match. Besides the BDC rings, is there anything else I should be looking into?

Would the Prostaff be a good choice for my Remmy 700 30-06?

lipadj46
December 26, 2008, 01:17 PM
Never heard of BDC rings but a BDC (bullet drop compensated) reticle is what you describe above. The Prostaff is an "all right" scope and would be fine on a 30.06 nothing to write home about and probably made in china or some place close. I know you want to use your gift certificate but better deals usually are to be had elsewhere that is why I recommended the Team Primos above.

If it is Dick's only what is your budget including the $80 certificate?

nathan
December 26, 2008, 01:26 PM
I looked at one Prostaff Nikon and its made in Philippines.

redfireftr
December 26, 2008, 01:26 PM
I wanted to spend around $120 in addition to the gift cards. I wouldn't mind getting the Team Primos but I already bought myself a Glock 39 for Christmas. With that im going to have to stock up on some GAP ammo because you can't find it everywhere here.

For $212 shipped that Nikon Team Primos seems like a good deal if its as nice as you say it is. Would I notice a difference between it and a plain Prostaff? I haven't owned a scope before and this is my only hunting rifle.

lipadj46
December 26, 2008, 01:30 PM
For $212 shipped that Nikon Team Primos seems like a good deal if its as nice as you say it is. Would I notice a difference between it and a plain Prostaff? I haven't owned a scope before and this is my only hunting rifle.

Go over to the optics talk forum (http://www.opticstalk.com/) and you will see the Team Primos and Bushnell 4200 3-9x40 comes up a lot as recommendations for good cheap scopes. Like I said it is a Monarch on closeout. In broad daylight you will not notice a difference but at sunrise and sunset (or other low light conditions) yes there will be a huge difference and as you probably know that is when you want your scope to work well. That being said my father has a 3-9x40 Prostaff on his Marlin 30-30 and he gets a deer most every year so yeah they work too. It is just that the Team Primos is a real good deal these days that I always recommend them as a all around hunting scope. I own the Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9x40 and it is a great scope also for cheap.

Bartkowski
December 26, 2008, 01:32 PM
Just because it is made in the Philipines doesn't mean that it is a bad scope. Although better scopes are made elsewhere, they cost a hell of a lot more than $150.

If the prostaff is clear and bright enough for your application, get it. Since you want to keep things low cost, it seems that a prostaff is a good choice.

lipadj46
December 26, 2008, 01:38 PM
It is not bad but for $200 you can get a Monarch with a BDC reticle that is made in Japan with the full Nikon Monarch lifetime warranty. Otherwise yes the Prostaff is decent like I said above my father has it and I have shot with it a lot, the Monarch is just a better scope made in a non 3rd world country.

nathan
December 26, 2008, 01:49 PM
http://www.opticsplanet.net/nikon-team-primos-3-9x40-bds-riflescope.html

lipadj46
December 26, 2008, 01:57 PM
http://www.swfa.com/c-2119-nikon-team-primos-riflescopes.aspx

$50 bucks cheaper. Seriously I'd stick with SWFA. They are a stand up bunch and are the ones responsible for bringing the Super Sniper back from the dead.

redfireftr
December 26, 2008, 02:00 PM
Man its a slow day at work!

Anyway, thanks for all the info. Any certain kind of rings I should get or where I should buy them? How much would they run me?

lipadj46
December 26, 2008, 02:06 PM
That is a whole other argument :)

Personally I use the Weaver Grand Slam Steel rings for $18. People will tell you that you have to spend over $100 on rings but you don't. I have a set of the steel weaver rings on my M1A and they are rock solid. I'm not sure I would use the aluminum weaver rings or other cheapo aluminum ring though on a 30.06 (Though I have a scope on my 12 ga with aluminum Weaver rings for the past 25 years). Steal rings are a different story though. Only downside is they are a bit heavier.

lipadj46
December 26, 2008, 02:19 PM
I was looking at Dick's online and I guess for $200 I would pick the Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40 in matte for $199. That being said you can get the Elite 4200 3-9x40 for $280 at SWFA.

Pokyman
December 27, 2008, 09:55 AM
There are a lot of quality scopes for sale by several scope companies.
The first thing you need to consider is what are you going to use the scope for. With a 30-06 I would assume big game hunting. The second thing to consider is a variable scope or fixed power.
If a fixed power, I would recommend a 6X. That limits you to Burris & Leupold. I have a Burris 6X and have been very happy. You can't go wrong with either scope.
If variable is what you want, I would not recommend getting any brand under $200. The thing most overlooked with variables is the actual useable viewing area. With the cheaper scopes as the power is turned up to increase power, the outer area of the view becomes increasingly fuzzy. The higher the quality of the glass the less fuzziness. Higher quality usually means mor $$$.
The recommendation for Nikon and Bushnell 3200 & 4200 is a good one. I have Nikon Monarch and Bushnell 3200 & 4200. Very happy with all scopes mentioned.
Best advice I can give you is get the best you can afford.

Cocked & Locked
December 27, 2008, 10:10 AM
I have Nikon Monarch and Bushnell 3200 & 4200.

Pokyman...what real differences do you see between the 3200 & 4200 when dusk dark in the evening? Is the 4200 any brighter? I have a 3200 3-9x40 and wonder if I should sell it and get the 4200.

I read some accounts where folks say there is a big difference...others say minimal difference (if any) for the money. :confused:

thanks!

Shawnee
December 27, 2008, 10:11 AM
Dick's, at least in my area, is such an ignorant "don't give a flying rat's arse over-priced rip-off" that I refuse to enter their store.

Buy a Nikon Pro-Staff in 2x7 ($119.99) or 3x9 ($149.99) from OpticsPlanet or SWFA and spend the Dick's gift card on ammo.


:cool:

lipadj46
December 27, 2008, 11:12 AM
I think when people use the words huge difference (like I did above) depending on the models the differences are actually pretty incremental when compared to the large $$ increase. Pretty much with a 4200 vs. say a prostaff or 3200 you may gain (just a rough estimate here based on when I am out hunting with my father) 10-15 mins of useable light in the mornings and evenings and you can see a little better in low light conditions like in the rain and under heavy tree cover. So depending what you use the scope for and where and when you are using it you can be the judge of the extra low light performance is worth it to you.

What is worth it more to me is the better build quality and better warranties. Like I said the prostaffs and 3200s are great higher end "budget" scopes but at the moment there is the Nikon Team Primos (Monarch) and Bushnell 4200 3-9x40's available at either the same money or a little more that the lower level scopes. With these for not much more money you gain better low light performance, better build quality, better warranty, and made in Japan. Just my $.02

redfireftr
December 27, 2008, 11:37 AM
Im leaning toward the Team Primos right now..

Redneck with a 40
December 27, 2008, 11:44 AM
The nikon pro-staff is a good scope, got one on my .308 and I'm very happy. Its bright, clear, and sharp, very good depth of color.

redneck2
December 27, 2008, 11:59 AM
As if you're not confused enough, you can also check out ebay. Some pretty good deals there, particularly since it's the off season from hunting.

As noted above, the extra $$$ get you a couple of things. The real cheapie scopes tend to fog up, won't hold zero, don't repeat zero, fall apart under hard recoil, and may have the zero wander as the magnification is changed. Other than that, they're fine.

As you get to the super high end scopes, you avoid all those problems, but for a price. You have to decide where your tipping point is, somewhere in between. If you're going to keep the scope for a long time, it seems foolish to get something cheap.

You most probably have a LONG time before you'll actually need the scope, so I'd advise taking your time. I know the intense heat from money or a gift card burning a hole in your pocket, but try to relax.

I missed a chance at a HUGE deer of a lifetime because my scope fogged up. As I laid there in the field watching a 14 point, 28" spread deer run off, I really wish I had paid the extra money.

Pat S
December 27, 2008, 05:22 PM
Save up a little more money and get a Leupold 4X.

lipadj46
December 27, 2008, 09:28 PM
The team primos is a good scope equal to the bushnell 4200 3-9x40 like I said the primos has more eye relief and the bushnell has rainguard (good for fogging). These 2 scopes have glass that is the same or even better than the Leupold VX-III 3-9x40 (honestly Leupolds are overpriced IMHO and I'm sure these kind of deals forced Leupold to upgrade the VX-III line) with the same warranty so it is kind a no brainer in my thinking. Like I said check out the optics talk forum there is a new thread there on these 2 scopes and search there are many people who recommend these scopes as they compare well even to the Zeiss Conquests. I do like Leupold for some specific applications but it seems most people recommend them like zombies recommend brains. I do not get the VX-I or VX-II lines as there are such better deals to be had out there.

On the fogging comment above the only thing that really reduces external fogging are the hydrophobic coatings like the bushnell Rainguard. They are well worth the money IMO and that is why I went with the Bushnell but it is usually more money but a while back SWFA was selling the 3-9x40 Elite 4200 for $250 which was a great deal.

Pokyman
December 28, 2008, 12:30 AM
Cocked & Locked.

Actually I have four Bushnell scopes. Three 3200's (1 3X9 and 2 4 X 12) and one 4200 (6 X 24)
If I were you, I would not sell the 3200 to get the 4200. The 3200 is worth more than you can get for it as a used scope. If you really feel you would like the 4200 then get it and put the 3200 on something else.
I cannot give you a fair comparison between the 3200 and 4200. The 4200 is used for long range varmint shooting. Trying to compare a 6 X 24 to a 4 X 12 is not easy. When both scopes are turned to the same power I would like to say that the 4200 has a little more clarity, but I can't say for sure.
I have used the 3200 3 X 9 in low light (dusk) conditions. I will say that turned to 6X that I could see slightly better through the scope than with the naked eye. It gathers light well enough that it will let you shoot until the end of legal shooting hours.

Cocked & Locked
December 28, 2008, 11:32 AM
Thanks Poky.

I have one Bushnell 3200 3x9 and have compared it (last several evenings while hunting) to my 18 year old Leupold VX III 2.5-8, and a 10 year old Burris Fullfield 3.5-10. The 3200 is comparable to both the Burris and Leupold. All three would allow accurate shooting beyond the legal time.

The Burris and Leupold might have a very slight edge of 2-3 minutes, but it ain't much for the dollar difference. The Bushnell 3200 has thicker crosshairs than the Leupold and Burris...that helps make it more appealing at dusk.

The 3200 seems to require slight refocusing when I change the power...the Burris and Leupold are not as critical.

Interestingly, I have two of the made in Japan Weaver Classic CK 4X fixed power scopes. They are as clear and bright as any of the above. These are advertised as having fully multicoated lenses.

My vintage Redfield 4X is also bright but the thin crosshairs are more difficult to see in the evening.

I can really see no significant difference between any of them...that is with everything set on 4X.

Until someone can convince me that a 3-9 4200 (or Monarch) is brighter than the Bushnell 3200 3-9, I'll just stay with what I have. Besides, my 3200 has the gloss finish instead of matte and I don't see those around.

280shooter
December 29, 2008, 07:14 PM
Originally Posted by goosedowner
I thought they were made by leapers??

Lee

Ok, time out.....
Nikon does not make riflescopes.
Bushnell does not make riflescopes.
Sigthron does not make riflescopes.
Centerpoint does not make riflescopes.
Simmons does not make riflescopes.
Tasco does not make riflescopes.
Leapers does not make riflescopes.
ATK does not make riflescopes.
Clearidge does not make riflescopes.
Mueller does not make riflscopes.
Millet does not make riflescopes.
BSA does not make riflescopes.
NCStar does not make riflescopes.
Leapers does not make riflescopes.

1. Zeiss makes riflescopes.
2. Leupold makes riflescopes
3. Burris makes some of their riflescopes.
4. Light Optical Works Japan makes riflescopes for Bushnell (Elites), Weaver, Clearidge, ATK Nitrex
5. US Optics makes riflescopes
6. Nightforce makes riflescopes (although Light Optical Works provides tube and optics for larger Nightforce scopes)
7. Asia Optical Japan makes scopes for Sightron and rumored to make one of the Muellers.
8. Kenko Philippines makes all Nikon, some Simmons, ATK Intensity, Bushnell Legends.

There are various CHINESE, Korean, and Taiwan makers that I'm not really familiar with.

One Chinese scope maker is called YOH. They make some BSA scopes such as the Sweet 22 series of scopes (see picture). They probably supply scopes to other of the low cost vendors. YOH claims to supply Bushnell and Millet, although they don't specifically say riflescopes. There are some lost cost Bushnells, like the Bushnell Sportsman, and Rimfire series that are made in CHINA.

Centerpoint is marked as MADE IN CHINA, not MADE in Philippines. Centerpoint is NOT made at the Kenko-Philippine plant that makes all the Nikons.

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lipadj46
December 29, 2008, 08:59 PM
Oh yeah I forgot that the Nikon Monarchs are not made in Japan anymore ah well they are still nice glass. The Bushnell Elites are still made in Japan though and I will still take a Nikon Monarch or a Bushnell 4200 Elite or Sightron over a Leupold VX-III or any Burris any time no matter who makes them.

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