Smoothest out of the box 45 action I've ever seen


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Boba Fett
December 27, 2008, 03:39 AM
I was visiting the local gun range today and after shooting I perused the gun cases for another excuse to blow some cash.

As I was looking at one of the Kimbers they had, one of the owners said, "Have you looked at an STI before?"

I hadn't.

So he hands me one of STI's 45 full size pistols.

The action was like rubbing a stick of butter on superheated Teflon. It blows Kimber completely out of the water. And the trigger was simply amazing. And even better, all the STI pistols I looked at were just as smooth! It wasn't just some super tweaked competition model; it was all of them.

I haven't shot one yet, but if the shooting matches the rest of what I've seen, it should be awesome.

So, what does everyone know about STI? Good company? Good products?

I know they're made in Texas, so that's a plus for me.

Link to STI (http://www.stiguns.com/)

Interestingly enough, they have pistol kits along the same lines as you would build an AR-15.

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Runningman
December 27, 2008, 04:54 AM
So, what does everyone know about STI? Good company? Good products?
STI is well known in competition circles. They make some excellent pistols.

TAB
December 27, 2008, 04:58 AM
I really dislike STI, not becuase of thier products( they make great guns) but thier politics.

375JDJ
December 27, 2008, 05:06 AM
Own one. They are simply awesome guns. I daily carry a STI Spartan. Others I shoot with have a 2011s and they use the for competition and for off duty carry.

huntershooter
December 27, 2008, 07:09 AM
I've purchased 2-5" STI's.
They were gifts for family.
Another advantage (in my perspective), they have the least MIM crap of any production pistol. I swapped out the (plastic) triggers and (plastic) MSH and the pistols were done.
Quite accurate. Son in Law has 6K rds. through his-it is still tight.

Deer Hunter
December 27, 2008, 10:51 AM
What about their politics?

At the local IPSC club I belong to, lots of guy sshoot STIs. From stock single-stacks to raceguns.

Cloudpeak
December 27, 2008, 11:28 AM
I really dislike STI, not becuase of thier products( they make great guns) but thier politics.

Care to expand on this?

For the OP:

I bought a STI 9mm Trojan. It is smooth as butter and is my favorite handgun (so far). I've got 2,000 rounds through it with no problems. I really like the "high cut" trigger guard and high rise beaver tail.

Cloudpeak

waterhouse
December 27, 2008, 11:59 AM
Great people to deal with. The factory is a few miles north of me and when I toured it you couldn't ask for a nicer bunch of folk.

My Trojan has been completely reliable and it is very accurate with a great trigger. I also have a Spartan, and while it doesn't get shot as much as the Trojan it is a great gun at its price point.

STIs main "political" stand has been their cessation of sales to California. Their press release may be seen here:
http://www.stiguns.com/CA-PressRelease.pdf

76shuvlinoff
December 27, 2008, 12:13 PM
So I may be mistaken, and often am, but that reads like the problem is California not STI. BUT Obviously STI produced the statement so it would be canted to their side of the story.

JImbothefiveth
December 27, 2008, 12:29 PM
They won't sell to California because of the microstamping law. I don't see what's wrong with that.

icebones
December 27, 2008, 03:23 PM
indeed. Barrett wont sell to ********** either. now we just need glock, beretta, colt, HK, sig, ruger, springfield, remington, winchester, bushmaster, dmps, marlin and everybody else to cut them off too.

CPshooter
December 27, 2008, 03:27 PM
I have no actual hands-on experience with their products, but I find their guns to look really cheesy for some reason. The LS9 looked like a neat concealed carry piece, but then I noticed it has a steel frame. They should have lightened it up some more by using aluminum. Maybe they couldn't because of their linkless barrel design? Not even sure how that works...

I'd still like to handle one to see what this smoothness talk is all about.

Runningman
December 27, 2008, 03:47 PM
indeed. Barrett wont sell to ********** either. now we just need glock, beretta, colt, HK, sig, ruger, springfield, remington, winchester, bushmaster, dmps, marlin and everybody else to cut them off too.
I agree if ALL the gun and ammunition manufactures cut them off from sales. Things would change in a hurry when body guards, security guards, and LEO run out of guns and ammo.

TAB
December 27, 2008, 04:01 PM
The reason why I don't care for the politics is, when CA passed some laws where you could sue gun manufactors, STI made a huge stink and stop selling to any non LEOs.( which was fine) Then when the micro stamping BS came around several years later, they stamped thier feet again and said "fine we will not sell to CA at all"

Only prob was they already were not selling to CA. That is what ticked me off.


I will not buy guns from companys that will not do biz with the general public. The "LEO only" crap has to stop.

Farnorthdan
December 27, 2008, 04:02 PM
for a few more hundred $$ you can get a real piece of art, built by true artisans. Check out Les Baer Custom, in particular the Thunder Ranch Special. In my opinion this is by far the best value for the dollar and shoots like a dream out of the box. Built to last many lifetimes....:D

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff323/farnorthdan/DSC03208.jpg


DS

Boba Fett
December 27, 2008, 09:17 PM
The reason why I don't care for the politics is, when CA passed some laws where you could sue gun manufactors, STI made a huge stink and stop selling to any non LEOs.( which was fine) Then when the micro stamping BS came around several years later, they stamped thier feet again and said "fine we will not sell to CA at all"

Only prob was they already were not selling to CA. That is what ticked me off.


California's stance on firearms warrants any "stink" a firearms company wants to make; IMO.



I will not buy guns from companys that will not do biz with the general public. The "LEO only" crap has to stop.

Well of course you wont. That's why it's called LEO. :neener: Sarcasm just FYI.

As for companies that don't sell to the general public, I don't see why that is a problem or how it really pertains to STI.

They are apparently selling to the general public everywhere else except California, right? And really, would you prefer that they punished LEOs because of California's stupid firearm legislation? I hope you don't.

And correct me if I am wrong, but there are lots of companies that sell only to LEOs or have product lines that are only sold to LEOs. Are they somehow bad companies? Should everyone be mad at them because they decided that they want their business model focus on LEOs?


All that being said, let's have some more discussion about the actual firearms that STI makes, not the politics of a single wacky state.

The LS9 looked like a neat concealed carry piece, but then I noticed it has a steel frame. They should have lightened it up some more by using aluminum.

I was looking at one of those too and was very impressed. However, I didn't find the weight all that foreboding. Compared to the SIG P220 Compact (29.6 ounces), the LS9 (28 ounces) didn't seem any worse. But I agree that a lighter LS9 might be nice, though I have always liked a heavier gun. Have to write STI and see if they have any plans for a lighter model.

HorseSoldier
December 27, 2008, 09:56 PM
I feel sorry for the humble subjects and peasants in California, but can't find fault with any firearms manufacturer choosing not to jump through the Peoples' Republics' hoops. Nor do I see any problem with manufacturers making an issue out of it and pointing out that the government of California is, essentially, operating in a state of insurrection against the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Edit to Add -- STI makes a very nice product for competition use. Not sure where they stand for duty use or daily carry.

Sapper771
December 28, 2008, 02:43 PM
I had thesame happen to me while I was in a gun shop. I was looking at some Springfields and one of the guys at the counter asked me if I had ever heard of STI. I had heard of them but never seen one. After playing with the Spartan, the lawman, the Sentinel, and the Trojan........ I now own an STI Trojan in 45acp. I love it !!! It is very accurate. I have put 500 rounds through it so far with no troubles. The slide to frame fit is very nice. The triggers, even on the low end STI's , are very adequate. The spartan is around $600 and it gets good reviews. I have been bombing STI with questions on my future STI purchase and they return my emails pretty quickly and act as if the are eager to help and anwer my questions. Good Luck!

Drail
December 28, 2008, 05:00 PM
Imagine if all of the U.S. firearms makers were like Mr. Barrett. Think the legislators would suddenly change their attitude if none of their Law enforcement could get parts or service for their firearms? I realize it would be economic suicide for most companies but I have to admire that man for telling the People's Republic of California no more for you.

OleCodger
December 29, 2008, 02:19 PM
Unrelated subject

Pizzagunner
December 29, 2008, 03:45 PM
I'd be more interested in STI's offerings if they weren't butt ugly.

For the price commanded, performance and style should be mutual and not an either/or proposition.

I am half surprised that their revolver doesn't have TEXICAN written on the side somewhere.

STI--Home of the dumbest looking 1911s ever, which is saying something with Sigarms' aesthetic abortions on the market.

schmeky
December 29, 2008, 03:56 PM
Pizzaguuner,

This is the only problem I have with STI. I dislike "Billboards" on any pistol and STI has some of the huge-est slide markings I have ever seen.

techmike
December 29, 2008, 05:01 PM
I'm not a fan of the STI "Billboards" either but I have a Trojan and a Spartan and they are both very nice guns for the price. Two of the most accurate 1911's I own. They are not as nice as a Wilson or a Baer but IMHO they are head and shoulders over Kimber or Springer.

gun4funtime
December 29, 2008, 05:36 PM
indeed. Barrett wont sell to ********** either. now we just need glock, beretta, colt, HK, sig, ruger, springfield, remington, winchester, bushmaster, dmps, marlin and everybody else to cut them off too.

Oh yea, just cut California off from gun sales,,,, The anti gun crowd and the politicians would be very happy.

I do understand what you all mean, cut em off, but I really think this would play right into the anti-gun crowd hand. The anti gun folks would love this idea.

If they give the gun companies enough crap, they will go away.

My Idea, Lower the prices in those states, so the public can afford more guns, that will p/o the anti gun folks.

CoRoMo
December 29, 2008, 05:46 PM
++++++1 gun4funtime !!!

That is the very intent, goal, and purpose of those gun laws!!!




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TAB
December 29, 2008, 06:14 PM
CA has more gun owners then alot of states have population.

Boba Fett
December 29, 2008, 06:29 PM
Okay all, we've gotten off topic. The initial political addition was fine at first, but if you all want to have a discussion on California politics, there's a section for that.

I'd prefer the thread to die a natural death when no one has anything more to contribute rather than be killed by too much political talk.


That being said, let's get back on topic:

I sent an email to STI to see if they had any plans to lighten the LS series. I don't expect a reply until next week due to Christmas and New Years vacations, but I'll post what I find out.

GLI45
December 31, 2008, 04:16 PM
You can't go wrong with STI. I got hooked the same way you did. The owner of my local range/gun store knew I was in the market for a model 1911 in .45ACP. He let me look at Springfield, Kimber, Colt, and several others before showing me an STI. WOW! What a difference - the fit, slide movement, trigger pull were unlike any of the others. I bought an STI Eagle 6.0 and was amazed at its out of the box operation and accuracy. I don't care for polymer guns, not because of any quality issues, but because I like a little more weight, but that's just personal preference.

bhhacker
December 31, 2008, 04:53 PM
Heres my STI Spartan I bought new from waterhouse. It n eeded some warranty work done so I called them up, dropped it off at their place for an hour and it worked like a champ :)

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee206/bhhacker/100_2494.jpg



http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee206/bhhacker/100_2497.jpg

elktrout
December 31, 2008, 11:26 PM
When the next big crime scare hits California (ala Helter Skelter), the people will buy guns in a panic like they always have before. This irks the politicos who keep trying to keep guns away from the public, under the guise of protecting them from themselves.

Withdrawing from California is not the answer. If the people need to buy guns and cannot get them, they will take out their anger on the gun companies, not the idiot politicians, who will be quick to blame the gun companies for deserting them in their time of need.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can keep the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." Thomas Jefferson

mljdeckard
December 31, 2008, 11:58 PM
I very much agree. It's a ********** thing, not a STI thing. I have been steering people to STI particularly BECAUSE OF their politics. STI really only has one line you could call 'economic' anyway. (I was living in KA when they passed the policy.)

franconialocal
January 1, 2009, 12:42 AM
I have NEVER heard of STI before, but after visiting the web site I'm very impressed. The "Lawman" looks really nice.......I may have just found my next sidearm.....

Boba Fett
January 8, 2009, 12:45 PM
I sent this email to STI because several people were interested in a lighter LS9:

A few of us over at TheHighRoad.org were discussing STI firearms and had a question about your LS series of pistols. Will there be a lighter model LS? One made from an aluminum or alloy? And if not, what is STI's reasoning behind that decision?

The reply from Mr. Chris Schirmer:

There arenít any plans to make it any lighter. The only option we would have is to go to an aluminum frame, and there simply isnít enough demand for them. We have the Rogue pistol on the market now, and it is a 1911 link design gun that is very light weight with an aluminum frame and the sales of that gun are weak enough that it may be pulled from the catalogue. I hope this answers your questions. I am sorry for the extreme delay in response.

The "extreme delay" was probably because I sent the email over the holidays.


So, according to Mr. Schirmer, there just isn't enough demand for the lighter aluminum frame LS9.

So if we want to see one, start sending emails. Only way they will make it is if there is a market for it. And they'll only know that if enough of us say we want one.

OleCodger
January 8, 2009, 05:47 PM
Since I'm already way over budget in my new gun buying account, I'm almost afraid to ask the first question but......Does STI sell through retail outlets or is it factory direct? We have three gun stores in town and I've never seen the STI.......looks like the "cat's meow" to me! Hope that spreading the wealth will solve my over budget problem....or possibly the bail-out :rolleyes:

Second Question and very insignificant: Why do pictures in the Photobucket in recent (and old alike) become unavailable? Sorta irritating to see an interesting thread but picture has disappeared. Maybe it's a setting on my computer??

Hawk
January 8, 2009, 06:44 PM
My EDC is an STI VIP, had a Ranger and there's a Texican in there as well.

I tend to agree with the non-fans on two points:

1. The California thing - mostly because STI wasn't selling anything there anyway. Had they simply, quietly, discontinued the rare LEO sales without the posturing I doubt anybody would have noticed. The press release just stirred the hive. They had given up on getting on CAL DOJ's roster long before the announcement.

2. For the same amount of money as a 2011 one can get a Baer, Wilson or even a Nighthawk. However, I expect us STI drones really don't care. At least I wouldn't know what to do with the butt end of slide that was hand checkered 40 LPI. There may be some that think the 2011 is attractive but personally I buy the things in spite of what they look like rather than because of it. 2011s are known to cause heartburn among 1911 traditionalists as well.

My next semiauto will be another 2011 and I'll once again look wistfully at the Baers, Wilsons, NHs, Browns, SA Pros etc. And once again march past them to get a 2011.

It's impossible to explain and difficult to understand but I'd bet the OP has a real handle on how the STI might be preferred by some even over the other top names in the business that make far prettier products. Methinks Boba Fett is doomed and has, or will be, assimilated. Welcome. :evil:

Hawk
January 8, 2009, 06:46 PM
Since I'm already way over budget in my new gun buying account, I'm almost afraid to ask the first question but......Does STI sell through retail outlets or is it factory direct?

I get mine from Dawson Precision. There's a couple other places that discount the STI MSRPs.

ETA, I forgot the most excellent option of the discounting, excellent customer service, Fuzzy Bunny Movie Gun and Zombie Novel emporium. There are group buys that surface on and off and I'm sure Larry would be happy to hear from you at any time if there isn't a group buy in process.

rduckwor
January 8, 2009, 06:49 PM
STI makes great pistols and anyone who refuses to sell in Kommie Kallie (like a good Texan should) is bound to have their politics oriented just fine.

RMD

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