Gun Show Hysteria


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Titan6
December 27, 2008, 05:41 PM
The following is a true story. The names have been changed to protect the guilty.

Ahhh, the gun show a place where all things guns are bought and bought and sold. Dreams of greed are made to come true.

I remember the gun show from a couple a years ago the last time I went. Park up front breeze though in a half hour, pick up some cheap ammo. Try to find a nice piece someone is willing to part with, maybe pickup an accessory or two. Never crowded, not really cheap but the occasional deal.

Not today. Not anymore. The lot is full. I can see hundreds of cars. There is the obligatory man with the oxygen tank trying to sell discretely on the side of the road about a 1/2 mile out. As I approach the doors there are signs everywhere "NO LOADED WEAPONS, NO EXCEPTIONS". I am open carrying today so I go ahead and comply. I present my carry weapon to be made safe by the impermeable barrier of the cable tie. The nice policeman asks me if I have a magazine. Of course I do and present it as well. He takes the magazine and unloads the rounds in a neat pile with a dozen or so other piles and asks if I have more magazines, I do not.

The crowd appears to have reached the fire law limit and the only way to view tables is to get in line and move with the flow. But what are on these tables? Table #1 holds a variety of no-name plain jane AR's. I know that the gun shop about two miles down the road has about a dozen of these in stock for $800-1000. I know this because I was there yesterday. Not here... Not Today. Here they start $1200 and go till.... the sky might be the limit. But why are they so much? Let us listen in to the first of many eye opening conversations of the day;

Dealer: "Yes that is right I was talking to the State Police. They told me that they had approved 40,000 background checks last month. You multiply that by 50 states and that makes 2,000,000 guns sold last month. Of those like 95% of them were assault weapons or high capacity autos.....
Sucker: Yep Obama is going to ban these guns everybody knows it.
Dealer: I can run you a check right now.....

But the line is moving. No time to dally not when every booth is full and guns are everywhere.... on to the next booth. What is this? An M14? Let me sneak a peak. $985! What a steal! Hmmm the barrel seems crooked some how. Something is fishy here.... Ahh Made in China stamped on the receiver. A reworked model of pitiful quality.

Dealer: "That is fine rifle there."
Me: "I am sure it is, it just isn't what I am looking for right now."

Time to move along.... ahh ammo. The prime reason for coming to the gun show. Some Belgian .308 1982 vintage. I had thought this was all gone. One can left.

Me: "How much?"
Dealer (with straight face): "$.75 a round"
Me: (Slightly stunned): You know Walmart sells brand new Federal soft points for $12.50 a box?
Dealer (Angry): "They do not!"
Me (Annoyed): "Uhh actually they do, the one right over there" (I point in the general direction of Walmart)
Dealer (snooty): "Well after taxes it is the same" (Turns back to me)

I wonder if he was going to break the law and sell it to me tax free. I kind of doubt it. At the same time I don't doubt someone else will buy it either.

Next we have the bulk seller. He has cases and cases of Wolf but insists that his supply is drying up due to new regulations from Obama. I wonder how Obama is passing regulations as he is only the "President Elect" but then I have never seen a President Elect hold so many press conferences either. He tells another man that he can reload the berdan primed steel case ammo with special equipment. I wonder if the man will buy the special equipment that is needed. A recycling center and steel mill come to mind. These are out of my price range.

There are some good honest dealers I recognize from years past and many new faces as well. Many of the new dealers have either really cheap hand guns or really expensive ARs, AKs, and SKS. $900 seems high to me for a beat-up AK, $500 for nice condition SKS to much

One of the more honest dealers has a Colt Python for sale for $985. Normally a bargain in today's market it is missing the original grips that have been replaced with what could be best described as an end of a 2X4 sanded down to fit. It is also loose. Shows a lot of holster wear. Going to have to pass.

What is this? An old man with a cane and a backpack. He has a sign on his pack "NiB HD High Standard Made 1947 $800". "Never been fired ehh?? Not bad, lets have a look old timer...." He pulls out a badly dinged up High Standard that looks like it has about 5000 rounds through it. Going to have to pass on that one....

The guns are disappearing off the tables even though they are going for 20-40% over local shop prices. As I head to the car empty handed I wonder about the big crowds at the shows and wonder what keeps the people coming back and buying. Must be the hysteria, that is the only explanation for it.

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aka108
December 27, 2008, 05:47 PM
So you went to the gun show in Tallahassee, FL last weekend to. Guess the above holds true no matter where.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
December 27, 2008, 05:49 PM
Hysterical!


Glad I stayed Home!:barf:

Too bad you had to give up a magazine's worth of ammo to get in. It almost doesn't seem worth it, ay?

Lone_Gunman
December 27, 2008, 05:50 PM
That sounds about how gun shows were down here in Georgia even before Obama was elected.

Titan6
December 27, 2008, 05:55 PM
Too bad you had to give up a magazine's worth of ammo to get in. It almost doesn't seem worth it, ay?

At times it makes me wish they would close the "gun show loop hole"....

armoredman
December 27, 2008, 06:07 PM
Every gun show I have been to for years is exactly like that, quit going. Too much drama, not enough deals.

f4t9r
December 27, 2008, 06:07 PM
suppy and demand is what drives the shows here of late.
The demand is so high people are able to make extra money.
Amazing at how the prices jumped up after the election.

I_AM_LEGEND
December 27, 2008, 06:10 PM
Sounds like its the same everywhere, went to a gunshow here in Cincinnati today, got there about 10:30 hoping to beat the crowd, well, there were probably more people here today than at a Bengals game, the line went out went all the way down the stairs and wrapped back around the building inside, probably waited 20 minutes to get in and once you did it was a madhouse, couldn't hardly walk anywhere... I could only laught when I saw a guy with a 4 year old kid, his wife and two small toddlers in a stroller, I can't imagine he got anywhere fast with that crowd.... Did pick up a WASR for $540 tho, thought it was a deal to the $650-$750 prices online.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
December 27, 2008, 06:11 PM
Just $1,200!:eek:

Gets it home, out of box!:cool:
Oh, Made in China.:mad:

Oh well, (person says) I'll be lucky if I can unload it for $290.:cuss:

May have to give it away, or get $50 for it at a gun buy-out!

Friendly, Don't Fire!
December 27, 2008, 06:17 PM
We could just have an ongoing "Gun Show" thread where we tell the best stories about the show that we really didn't even have to go to! ;)

That way, we get all the fun and exitement of the real thing while sitting at our keyboards!:eek: No gas burned and no crowds!:)

dbarile
December 27, 2008, 06:36 PM
Excuse me while I ramble.

I've been to three gun shows in the past 2 months, and only the only the one right after the election was really bad. Lots of people, outrageous prices on black guns and their ammo. Even at that one, one of the booth dealers told me "You should have been at the one at (nearby city), those people were in a panic!" I saw the usually stuff $500 SKS's 75 cent a round ammo etc.

Maybe the difference is that I just like to look. I'm happy just to browse. I did take comfort from the fact that on the Dec 20th show, the SKS's were not moving that much and the price was 'down' to $350. The $65.00 Nagants were moving faster.

After looking and dealing I was able to get a good deal on a few things and restock my ammo for a little less than I would find online.

I will admit that I have long had my 'black' rifle and my SKS, so the pressure to buy is not as high.

I guess we will see what happens in the new year. I've read a few people here saying that once the Christmas blues sink in we'll see lower AR/SKS prices. That would be nice.

My point? None really, just my experiences at the shows. I'll be at another one next week.

rondog
December 27, 2008, 06:48 PM
Yeah, gunshows are teh suck, IMO.

I buy my used guns from individuals in forums like this and I look for ads in those little freebie "Pennysaver"-type newspapers you see everywhere. If you're on a road trip, take some cash and pick a paper every time you can. Never know what you'll run across.

Tommygunn
December 27, 2008, 06:48 PM
Hmmm.
I attended a gunshow in Huntsville Alabama last week, Dec. 20th.
Usual stuff ... OK prices except on ARs and "assault rifles."
I bought a Glock 19 and a Taurus Thunderbolt pump action rifle C45 in .45LC.

I susally attend gunshows when I can and just look around. It's unusual for me to buy but not unheard of -- in fact it's been getting more usual this past year.

The Taurus rifle was sort of an "impulse" buy, but I was actually looking for a Glock.

notorious
December 27, 2008, 06:52 PM
I gave up on gunshows in Kalifornistan a few decades ago.

I can buy ShamWow online and if I want beef jerky, I go to 7-11. As for the hot tubs and timeshares, I'll wait until I win the state lottery.

The occasional ammo find is not worth the parking fees, time, and aggravation.

308win
December 27, 2008, 07:01 PM
I have never been to a gun show. Can you beat that; I had no idea that is one of the best decisions I have ever made.

notorious
December 27, 2008, 07:04 PM
Oh... also, we can get all the anti-fog treatment for glasses we want at gunshows... which is just soap.

Gunshows are pretty much about everything but guns now.

DJW
December 27, 2008, 07:13 PM
Titan;
Really enjoyed your post. Sounds like the Austin, Tx. show this month. What a waste of time. Huge crowds, crazy prices, hysteria all around. Too bad as I used to enjoy cruising with my buddies in the "over the hill gang" and talking about the old days(in the 1960's)when we bought many of the things now displayed on the tables at prices that would gag a maggot. All reloading components now bought on the internet for less even including the hazmat. Plenty of jerky at the stop n rob down the street. Good place to check out the tatoos on the biker chicks though..............thanks again, Dave

Millwright
December 27, 2008, 07:49 PM
Haven't the same experience as others. But then I don't haunt the "big shows" either. Prices at small shows where I'm familiar with the promoters and vendors aren't "outta sight" IME.

Kinda depends upon what you're looking for is my experience. The "glitz" stuff (ARs, ect ) are pricey. But hunting/target/plinking stuff is still reasonable. Same for accessories.

I'll know more after the "coronation".... >MW

chris in va
December 27, 2008, 07:57 PM
"NIB".

Sure, new in box. But it's no longer IN the box.

Mike OTDP
December 27, 2008, 07:59 PM
Hmph.

The big problem around here is that you have the same dealers hawking the same stuff. OK if you want an AR, 1911, or Glock. Most unsatisfactory if you have exotic tastes.

Which I do. Very exotic.

notorious
December 27, 2008, 07:59 PM
I love the description, "AS NEW" which means it's not....

Redneck with a 40
December 27, 2008, 08:46 PM
Sounds just like the gun show I went to a couple weeks ago, complete joke, blatant price gouging, some people stupid enough to pay, I'm not one of them.:neener:

deaconkharma
December 27, 2008, 08:48 PM
my buddy got a not too bad deal on the KEl tec sub2k at the Jamil gunshow here in November... looked like the only close to reasonable price we saw. It was a little more than his gunstore but they were also backordered. This one was there and available and for 30 or 40 bucks more. NIB he wasnt reamed but he didn't get a bargain either. we figured he came out ok until the flashlight sales guy ripped him a new one. LOL

CTW
December 27, 2008, 09:09 PM
I went to a show a couple weeks ago just for something to do and see how crazy things have gotten. I saw 700 round cans of romanian 7.62x39 selling for 260 bucks, 450 dollar yugo sks and 700 dollar Wasr. One guy was trying to sell a century galil clone for 950. I did see a nice smith corona O3A3 I could have gotten for in the 500 range and that was the only deal I would have considered at the whole show.

Old Fuff
December 27, 2008, 09:20 PM
I didn't make it to any shows this fall, but at the earlier ones I didn't do too bad... :evil:

Of course I never go to buy guns or ammunition. People who do that are lost from git-go. What I look for is books, and often find used ones a fair prices. Also parts and acessories - have to check out those junk boxes filled with parts, grips, accessories of all kinds, holsters.... Speaking of holsters, I picked up an S.D. Myers/El Paso, TX. - carved leather and lined for a S&W J-frame/3". Paid $15.00 cash money for it. Fortunately the show was filled with young folks that never heard of Sam Myers... ;)

But I'll admit, if you want a hi-cap plastic pistol or an evil rifle it's probably a good idea to stay home. The economy may be in the dumps, but as long as the president-elect is around those dealers are going to make out like the bandits they are.

But not from me.... :D

geojap
December 27, 2008, 09:58 PM
And the real news is:

You know Walmart sells brand new .308 Federal soft points for $12.50 a box?

I didn't know that. I'm going to have to get down there.

Redneck with a 40
December 27, 2008, 10:00 PM
The only thing I really look for at gun show's, are reloading components, especially plated bullets. A dealer that frequents the show's I attend, sell's them by the thousand for $100, not bad.:)

notorious
December 27, 2008, 10:04 PM
I'm going to WalMart for the 308SPs too but there's no WalMart around here.

Lone_Gunman
December 27, 2008, 10:18 PM
The Federal soft points at Wal Mart are actually about $16 a box... so the old man was right...

I just bought some yesterday, so I am confident in the price.

notorious
December 27, 2008, 10:23 PM
I have no problem buying at Walmart because none of the profits go to support an union and their wage gouging. Maybe it's just me, but I don't have a problem with Walmart at all and I don't see the issues. Maybe because there's no Walmart where I live that is why I don't really care.

Besides, I'd rather give my $16 to Sam Walton than to some old grumpy guy at the gunshow who is trying to lie and cheat and steal. He also forgot to factor in the parking and entry fee to the gun show so he is still coming out more expensive.

AR-15 Rep
December 27, 2008, 10:56 PM
Saddly enough that story is the same most every where. Panic buying.... in full force, there are some influences causing the panic. First, most did not want to have all kinds of money tied up on a "what if" Obama got elected. When it became apparent he was going to get elected, It would take time to get steel, machine it, and get it out. However, between getting mass amounts of material ordered, and the demand coming on, everyone ran into the credit crunch. When the limited supply of product started to run, the panic grew, plus with tough economic times in the forcast, people are worried and buying whatever they can get before they can't get it no more. Parts are being made, production levels are up. But, no one wants to invest in new facilities, machinery, etc, on a possible short term demand. So they are doing the best they can to meet todays demand.

Guyon
December 27, 2008, 11:10 PM
He tells another man that he can reload the berdan primed steel case ammo with special equipment. I wonder if the man will buy the special equipment that is needed. A recycling center and steel mill come to mind. These are out of my price range.

Nice. :D

Titan6
December 27, 2008, 11:42 PM
I must be getting a special deal on the Federal .308s at our local Walmart in the Blue Ridge Mountains. I bought them yesterday as marked for $12.50 a box. I bought four boxes and they still had about half a dozen left. Guess I will run out tomorrow and grab the rest.

There was not a single reloading component at the whole show. No powder, bullets, tools.... nothing. Don't think I will go back to the show for day two.

rmmoore
December 27, 2008, 11:45 PM
Good observations by all. The "local" gun shows here in Wyoming may be small, but their "endeavour to persevere" in seperating you from your green is in full swing. The last couple of shows I went to were a complete joke, for maybe 90% of it anyway. The ONLY decent things I saw were a brand new Taurus 1911 for $625 plus the $75 factory rebate (dealer), and a pretty nice Remmy 700BDL .223 for $425 (private). I was very, very, very tempted on the Remmy, but I already have a .223 bolt, so I passed. Kind of regret it now, but that's an old song to all of us "old gun show" junkies. Please note the emphasis on old "gun show", not just the old part:D Ammo? What a joke. I saw a guy I know, and have done business with several times before, selling Greek M2 30-06 for TWICE the price I can order it from CMP. Twice the AVAILABLE price!!!!! Now, if I couldn't find it, that "might" be one thing, but I can order all I want (or can pay for) from CMP on Monday morning. Or at least I could yesterday anyway. He shrugged like "oh well" and I walked off.

Like many of you, other than wanting a good laugh or afternoon's entertainment, I think I'm done with gun shows for a while. Like another poster said, I comb the classified paper. And when I travel, I keep some "extra" cash on hand, just in case I find a jewel in another local paper. There ARE still some decent deals had from private sellers, just NOT at the gun show rip-offs!!!!!!

JWarren
December 27, 2008, 11:52 PM
It would seem that the "Gunshow Loophole" is gonna eventually close itself.

-- John

KimKommando
December 27, 2008, 11:55 PM
I have no problem buying at Walmart because none of the profits go to support an union and their wage gouging.

If Obama gets his way, there will be unions at WalMart.

Most of the gun shows I have visited lately, including one in TX while I was there (I drove from SA to Austin) are a waste, I am done with it. There is more of an atmosphere of a damn flea market there than a gun show.......

notorious
December 28, 2008, 05:56 AM
Like I said, at Kommiefornia gunshows, there's everything you want as long as you don't want guns or ammo.

ShamWow
Jerkies
Squeegies
No fog wipes
Timeshares
Hot tubs
Knives
Cheap nylon holsters
BDUs
MREs
Fish & tackle
Airsoft
Old magazines & books

and the occasional gun marked up 25-50% over MSRP

DRYHUMOR
December 28, 2008, 06:19 AM
The last one I went to in mid December, was loaded up with AR's. Anywhere from 800 to 1200, depending.

There seemed to be plenty of handguns- some were overpriced, as was the ammo. The ammo was going pretty good.

The hunting rifles, new or used, were priced fairly good.

I'll still go to them- but I go more to wander around, for the entertainment value. I don't have any expectations of finding deals anymore.

But ya never know...

notorious
December 28, 2008, 06:22 AM
That's only because you live in a free country that allows ARs. We have a different set of laws in our country of Kommiefornia.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
December 28, 2008, 06:55 AM
Yes, but look at the beautiful country you live in! :)

From what I've learned, it hardly gets cold there and it is always like summer - although I don't think I would ever get used to the idea of having earthquakes or large fires.:confused:

notorious
December 28, 2008, 07:00 AM
It's not cold? We've been getting down into the mid 30s at night here. I think I saw 36F a few times on the thermometer. Not to mention the freezing winds and rainstorms for the last week. It has been absolutely miserable. Then we have 95F minimum summers where you sweat the minute you walk outside. At least it's dry, right?

Earthquakes I don't mind. My gunsafe can survive fires and quakes, but not floods or tornados.

It has its good points. At least I don't have to get permission to buy a gun like some jurisdictions, but they do put a lot of obstacles in your way like the safety test and manipulation demonstration and the gunlock forced buying and the one gun a month thing but all things considered, if you don't want cool guns like ARs and AKs, the rest of the rules are not so bad.

Thin Black Line
December 28, 2008, 07:07 AM
Dealer: "Yes that is right I was talking to the State Police. They told me that they had approved 40,000 background checks last month. You multiply that by 50 states and that makes 2,000,000 guns sold last month. Of those like 95% of them were assault weapons or high capacity autos.....

Doubtful. However, I do believe this gun dealer must teach statistics and
population demographics to real estate appraisers and hedge fund managers
on the side.

On the plus side for him, the gun business has taken over paying his rent now.

qajaq59
December 28, 2008, 07:15 AM
I'm a people watcher from back in the days when I worked in NYC, so I love the gun shows. I don't buy anything though because I can get a better deal elsewhere. But watching some of the characters is definitely worth the $5 that it costs me to get in. :D

notorious
December 28, 2008, 07:23 AM
The gun buying frenzy has died down a bit here in CA since the first week after the day freedom died.

During that first week, there were close to 2,000 guns sold a day. Now, it barely breaks a few hundred again. How quickly we forget.

Mousegun
December 28, 2008, 08:50 AM
I fully agree with all that has been said about gun shows. I have been to only two and came out 3X disappointed.

Now for the only good I can foresee. The panic buying, new gun owners, older gun owners that have been revived and anything else I didn't mention means higher numbers of gun aware people.

Whether right or wrong, there is strength in numbers and the more people we can get into gun ownership or just be aware of the pitfalls of having restrictions placed on it, the better.

Some may even be good writers and get through to a congress person or two when it comes time for their vote.

I personally wanted an AR for a long time before this panic started but kept putting it off. In October, I saw the graffiti on the wall and pulled the trigger so to speak and accepted the wait for a Rock River. It came in 8 weeks. If I waited a few more weeks to place the order, it would have taken 12-16 weeks to get. The panic had already begun.

Of course the bad side to this is the increased prices and lack of availability on everything gun related. I haven't been able to make a complete order from a large supplier like Midway without something being out of stock.

Hopefully things will pan out in the future and prices will settle down. If I suggested 6 months ago that gas would be back down to about a buck fifty a gallon today, most would say I have been doing too much reloading and the lead finally got to me.

Double Naught Spy
December 28, 2008, 09:14 AM
I must be getting a special deal on the Federal .308s at our local Walmart in the Blue Ridge Mountains. I bought them yesterday as marked for $12.50 a box. I bought four boxes and they still had about half a dozen left. Guess I will run out tomorrow and grab the rest.

Yep, you must be getting a special deal. They are $16 a box here too.

Jon Coppenbarger
December 28, 2008, 09:21 AM
I went to a show on saturday and found a few things. No ammo deals for me this time. did buy a really nice colt series 70 goverment for $700. and from another dealer picked up a ww2 45 mag for my collection and a nice set of 1911a1 grips both for $25.
Oh and one more deal was a new in the white colt usgi national match slide from the 50,s or 60,s plus a new colt usgi nm barrel for $150 for the pair.

That makes 4 colt 1911,s in the last month from shows and the $700 was the one I spent the most on. one was a series 80 stainless enhanced, a 1943 a1 and a 1955 commercial.
Also picked up a couple of S&W revolvers. a pre model 17 for $250 and a 17-3 for $350.

Bought all my ar stuff over the years so I do not need the black rifle items.
two more shows the next two weekends so I hope I find something else also.

Thin Black Line
December 28, 2008, 10:11 AM
(Not to be confused with Guns and Roses).

Do we have a little mania going on right now similar to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

JWarren
December 28, 2008, 10:29 AM
TBL wrote:


Do we have a little mania going on right now similar to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania



While interesting, that was a financial speculation bubble-- one of MANY in the history of the markets. These include, but are not limited to, the Railroad bubble, the Radio bubble, the Dot-Com bubble, and the Housing Market.

The major difference as it pertains to us is that you can still get all of the above. I truly hope that it will be the case with this run.


-- John

FoMoGo
December 28, 2008, 10:31 AM
Sounds like you were in Fishersville for the show...
So was I :D
I got a couple of deals tho.
Picked up a $10 bill laying on the floor at the ticket counter.
Picked up a 2 mag carrier for my 1911 with mags... one a chip McCormick 8 round and an extra colt mag... for $30.
Last weekend in Salem picked up a CCW purse for my wife at half off list on the websites and ads in the magazines.
Picked up a 50 round unopened box of winchester primed .45 auto rim for $5.
And I got to fondle a lotta guns that I didnt pay for. :D


Jim

Titan6
December 28, 2008, 10:45 AM
You should Google "The Match King" sometime for some entertaining reading.

Since it was such a pretty morning I mounted the bike and road to Walmart. My fault, the .308 Federal Powershok are $12.97/box of 20 at the Staunton, Virginia Walmart. This works out to $.65/rd pretax $.685/rd with tax. I asked if it was the sale price and she said no. I asked if she had more than what was on the shelf and she pointed under the counter and said there was a whole case under there. Just in case anyone wanted to know.

Curiously WWB .223 was $23.85/ box of 40. This works out to almost $.60/ rd for .223. So for a little more you get 3X the bullet and twice the case and powder.....

I'd still be riding the wind is kicking pretty hard and it looks like some rain is blowing in over the mountains.

Titan6
December 28, 2008, 10:47 AM
Sounds like you were in Fishersville for the show...
So was I
I got a couple of deals tho.
Picked up a $10 bill laying on the floor at the ticket counter.

Hey that was mine!

WVMountainBoy
December 28, 2008, 11:46 AM
There aren't many of them around here, and the few there are don't offer any deals. Usually a mark up of 10-20% over in-store prices. Lots of junk going for premium prices and lots of snake oil salesman selling that junk as "high tech"

zoom6zoom
December 28, 2008, 12:02 PM
I think we need to schedule a hysteria-ectomy real soon.

ljnowell
December 28, 2008, 02:17 PM
It's not cold? We've been getting down into the mid 30s at night here. I think I saw 36F a few times on the thermometer. Not to mention the freezing winds and rainstorms for the last week. It has been absolutely miserable. Then we have 95F minimum summers where you sweat the minute you walk outside.

Sounds like heaven. Illinois is normally in the teens at night this time of year, maybe 32 during daytime. Summer heat? Yeah we get that too, along with 90% humidity. I feel sorry for you though because you have those dope smoking liberal hippy wannabe's running amok all over.

cornman
December 28, 2008, 05:22 PM
The don't call them 'gun nuts' for nothing.

notorious
December 28, 2008, 05:35 PM
Sounds like heaven. Illinois is normally in the teens at night this time of year, maybe 32 during daytime. Summer heat? Yeah we get that too, along with 90% humidity. I feel sorry for you though because you have those dope smoking liberal hippy wannabe's running amok all over.

It was 65F all day today and people were out in short sleeves. I made the mistake of wearing a long sleeved tee shirt and almost started sweating.

But then we do have a rampant hippe tree hugger birkenstock population that blames it on global warming so it sorta balances it out.

notorious
December 28, 2008, 05:36 PM
The don't call them 'gun nuts' for nothing.

You say gun nut like it's a bad thing. Smile when you call me that.

moooose102
December 28, 2008, 06:00 PM
i quit going to gun shows last fall when i was looking to buy a kel-tec P3AT. some guys there were respectable enough, selling at or near normal prices. i did find a few things to buy, including the kel-tec, some ammo, and a couple of ammo boxes. most of the dealers were trying to sell their LCP'S @ rediculous prices, and most of the kel-tec dealers, were taking advantage of the way overpriced LCP's by jacking up their own prices. i found a dealer who was willing to sell a kt @ slighly below what i had been seeing them at locally. anyway. there were so many "oppertunists" there, it really turned me off to the gunshow circut. i am not sure if i will ever go back to one again or not. but it certainly will not be anytime soon.

Ragnar Danneskjold
December 28, 2008, 06:03 PM
i quit going to gun shows last fall when i was looking to buy a kel-tec P3AT. some guys there were respectable enough, selling at or near normal prices. i did find a few things to buy, including the kel-tec, some ammo, and a couple of ammo boxes. most of the dealers were trying to sell their LCP'S @ rediculous prices, and most of the kel-tec dealers, were taking advantage of the way overpriced LCP's by jacking up their own prices. i found a dealer who was willing to sell a kt @ slighly below what i had been seeing them at locally. anyway. there were so many "oppertunists" there, it really turned me off to the gunshow circut. i am not sure if i will ever go back to one again or not. but it certainly will not be anytime soon.

You're of course free to spend your money where you want, but how exactly are "normal" prices anything other than the price someone is willing to pay for something?

notorious
December 28, 2008, 06:05 PM
Trudat! Normal prices are whatever the market will bear at a certain point. If someone is overcharging and the demand doesn't comport with his prices, or if there's ample supply besides him, he will soon be a lonely guy with his leftover inventory. That's the beauty of the free market system.

Titan6
December 28, 2008, 06:15 PM
The point I was trying to make (and failed to get across) is that people could drive literally 2 miles down the road or check the internet to find out what the current price for a given item is at a large reputable dealer and even buy the item for that price. Most people at least do some research before they spend $1500 on a single purchase of any type.

I think people are getting caught up in the lies told by the table dealers who are fanning the flames to make some quick cash. Since there is a large crowd and people tend to have a herd mentality and hate to "miss out" on something "special" they are getting easily taken in. An ounce of sense and ten minutes of their day could have saved some people a few hundred dollars.

notorious
December 28, 2008, 06:17 PM
Also, don't forget that a lot of people figured since I made this long drive and waited in this long line and paid this entrance fee I might as well get it now and not bother with another trip and the time and money associated with that trek to buy something else when it's not that much more money. It's the sunk cost and mitigating damages thing....

Ragnar Danneskjold
December 28, 2008, 06:24 PM
The point I was trying to make (and failed to get across) is that people could drive literally 2 miles down the road or check the internet to find out what the current price for a given item is at a large reputable dealer and even buy the item for that price. Most people at least do some research before they spend $1500 on a single purchase of any type.

I think people are getting caught up in the lies told by the table dealers who are fanning the flames to make some quick cash. Since there is a large crowd and people tend to have a herd mentality and hate to "miss out" on something "special" they are getting easily taken in. An ounce of sense and ten minutes of their day could have saved some people a few hundred dollars.

I see what you're saying. But to put it bluntly: too bad for them. If someone is too foolish to make their purchases using the best information they can get, they deserve to be swindled. The final decision regarding a transaction is always the buyer's. So the onus of determining if a transaction is good or not should always be on the buyer as well.

One of the biggest problems in this nation is the idea that it's the seller's job to protect the buyer from himself. The whole "housing crisis" would never have happened if that idea didn't exist. In the end, it's your job to use your money the best way you can.

notorious
December 28, 2008, 06:27 PM
Taurus, are you suggesting people take responsibility for their own actions? What a novel idea... too bad it will never work in our country, not now, not anymore.

(insert sarcastic tone)

Friendly, Don't Fire!
December 28, 2008, 06:42 PM
Don't get me started on the housing crisis. I have stories I could tell...........

Let's keep this gun-related.
The last show I was at (which was also the first) was about 10 years ago.

I haven't missed one yet.

I'd rather buy locally (order, if necessary) and buy online from MidwayUSA.

Titan6
December 28, 2008, 06:55 PM
If someone is too foolish to make their purchases using the best information they can get, they deserve to be swindled. The final decision regarding a transaction is always the buyer's. So the onus of determining if a transaction is good or not should always be on the buyer as well.

That is not what I am saying. If someone commits fraud to make a sale by misrepresenting goods then that is considered a tort in Virginia. While only some sellers were lying about the actual goods all of them were lying about many other things as well. This makes gun dealers in general look bad.

This is bad for the industry as well. Gun shows have a shady reputation as it is. After first-time-panic-buyer Joanne Biden gets taken to the cleaners for $800 she is going to want someone from the government to step in and fix "the" (her) problem. We all know there is only one solution from the government; laws, regulations and bans that will all be ignored by the dishonest dealers and drive the honest dealers away.

deerhunter61
December 28, 2008, 06:57 PM
I keep reading about the majorities experiences here and I think if everyone went with the expectation that they are what they are then perhaps you would not be so disappointed.

I can say that what most have said here holds true for most of the shows. But I still enjoy going. I go without any real expectations...I simply enjoy looking at the guns. I went to one a couple of months ago and saw some rifles with values of over $50k. I enjoyed looking at them but would never even consider buying one. But if I find something of value to me then I buy it. As far as I am concerned they are no different than going to the movies. In fact based on my experience with the movies they are making lately they have a lot in common with some of you all experiences with Gun Shows. They are not worth much:)

notorious
December 28, 2008, 11:38 PM
I haven't gone to a movie in at least 3 or 4 years... don't know of any Hollywood schlock that's worth my $12.50 + popcorn and drinks and parking in a tightly marked lot so they can get more cars in the same space so I can come back with my car all dinged up while dodging kids jumping around on their skateboards.

wyocarp
December 29, 2008, 12:12 AM
It seems to me that more informed one is, the better the guns shows are. I bought a Glock at the last gun show in my town a couple weeks ago. I saw the same Glock at several different tables and they ranged between $499 and $629. I bought the $499 one and would have bought two of them but the guy complained about having to do the two gun form and so I bought another one from a dealer in Cheyenne for the same $499 Christmas eve, but I had to talk them down from $530.

The key is to know the prices of guns before you go!

notorious
December 29, 2008, 12:18 AM
If it wasn't so crowded, and for the outrageous parking fees, and the worthless neutered stuff that is CA legal, it would be fun to go and browse. I love the characters you meet there.

ljnowell
December 29, 2008, 12:36 AM
It was 65F all day today and people were out in short sleeves. I made the mistake of wearing a long sleeved tee shirt and almost started sweating.

But then we do have a rampant hippe tree hugger birkenstock population that blames it on global warming so it sorta balances it out.

Thats some funny stuff right there. I do really feel for you though, because we have chicago. Its full of some of the worst liberals. Luckily I live in downstate IL. I wish we could seperate and make N IL and S IL, kind of like the dakotas.

notorious
December 29, 2008, 02:29 AM
Well... NorCal has been talking about secceeding from SoCal but that wouldn't solve my Los Angeles problem. Berkeley and San Fran are indeed separate countries though.

The mayor of San Fran recently gave an executive order to the police department to not bother with prostitution arrests and concentrate on other stuff... in contravention of state penal code. So I guess the cops just turn the other way as the pimps and johns do their business.

BHP FAN
December 29, 2008, 03:10 AM
As far as I'm concerned,everything south of say,Garberville is ''Socal''.C'mon up to God's Country!

notorious
December 29, 2008, 03:19 AM
Where's Garberville? I heard Tehoma is a nice place as is Eureka.

travis74
December 29, 2008, 03:37 AM
I have never been but to a few and by the time I paid to get in and spent the gas money to get there it wasn't worth the hassle. I rather pay a dollar more then to go through all that and so far I have not found anybody that has ammo cheaper than Wal Mart and that goes for gun shows too.

It is probably just me but alot of times I feel like I am shopping for a car instead of at a gun show. I always feel like someone is trying to rip me off, which they probably are so I just don't mess with them. It may just be my problem but the times I have been I wind up buying nothing and wasting time. So what's the point. Most of my experiences are what most of you have described already and were not good.

Thin Black Line
December 29, 2008, 08:46 AM
I think people are getting caught up in the lies told by the table dealers who are fanning the flames to make some quick cash. Since there is a large crowd and people tend to have a herd mentality and hate to "miss out" on something "special" they are getting easily taken in

Put out a rumour that O will ban beef jerky and require a 5 day waiting period
on chocolate and you'll see those tables at gun shows do great business as
well.

I can see it all now: "Such regulations will make America safer and reduce our
healthcare costs. People will be less constipated and they will lose weight..."

benderx4
December 29, 2008, 09:10 AM
It seems to me that more informed one is, the better the guns shows are.

EXACTLY!! We have the Central Florida gun show about once a quarter and I love them! (Where else would you buy your beef jerky?)

Great people watching, a couple great vendors, and every now and then, an awesome deal to be had. That is, of course, if you go in prepared with KNOWLEDGE. Kinda like car-shopping, if you don't know what you're looking at, they're going to sell you that lemon.

Just last month, I walked out with a gorgeous 6" SS Colt Python for $900. But of course, I went on the last day, in the late afternoon just before they closed, and had CASH in hand.

Earlier in the year, I picked up a LNIB two-tone Beretta 92FS for $350 the same way. FInally, everyone needs one of those "steel-sticks" in every room of the house, right? Makes great gifts too!

notorious
December 29, 2008, 10:34 AM
It's not steel sticks... it's "BOOM STICK!"

Great find on the SS Colt Python! Any Python within reason is a good buy.

22lr
December 29, 2008, 10:43 AM
You can sell without charging anyone tax but then you must cough up the tax money. I work retail and I see some mom and pop stores that don't charge tax they just raise the price a little and pay the taxes out of pocket. Illegal is when you lie about how much you made that day.

You just have to shop around I find great deals all the time. $15 for brand new Pmags (bought 4). Talked a dealer down to $40 each for 2 DPMS M4 stocks (ya a killer deal there). Best one so far was $10 for a Glock knife/bayonet (As much as I dislike there guns they make a sweet knife). Just have to look around.

travis74
December 29, 2008, 11:28 AM
I am a mechanic so they might try to sell me a car that is a lemon, but I would know it. I don't like the feeling. I don't like feeling like someone is trying to take advantage of me and my hard earned money. I don't like car dealerships for that reason nor do I like gun shows for that reason. It just ain't worth it. When I go shop for a car it is because I have to. When I am shopping for a gun it is because I want to. Those are two totally different things. Gun shows are just no fun for me personally. That is really what it boils down to for me for many of the reasons already stated in earlier posts.

BHP FAN
December 29, 2008, 12:10 PM
''Where's Garberville? I heard Tehoma is a nice place as is Eureka...''
Eureka is where I'm at,Garberville is south of me.I'm ex ''north'' of the Bay Area,[Healdburg/Santa Rosa]left there 22 years ago and never looked back.California born.It's beautiful wild country,but filling up quick.Our gunshow used to be almost out my back door,but they moved to the next town down when our show got bumped for a gem and mineral show a coupla years back,it was stupid.All the gunshow guys were crowded together in this small building,while six card tables full of rocks were in the huge building.''Hello'',I said to the six guys at the card tables,and their two customers,''where's the gunshow?'' when they pointed me over to little flower pavillion building,I was shocked.I guess the gun show organizer was so pissed he never went back to Eureka,and he does them all in the Ferndale Fairgrounds now,but they just don't draw the same crowds they used to.

expvideo
December 29, 2008, 12:13 PM
I think it would be better to buy from a gun forum like this one. People are very sensitive about their reputations. At a gun show they might not need to worry so much about that, but on the forum if you sell someone a lemon, everyone is going to know about it.

BHP FAN
December 29, 2008, 12:25 PM
you're right ,especially group specific ones like SASS .Once your rep goes sour at a forum like this one or SASS,you might as well sell your computer and start shooting by yourself,because you won't be very popular.

notorious
December 30, 2008, 05:18 AM
Egads! I hit the nail right on the head with Eureka, the birth place of the greatest president since Lincoln and definitely better than anything until at least after 2016. (I'm hedging my bets in case 2012 is another blowout but even if the GOP wins, the candidate is not likely to be anything close to greatness like the Gipper.)

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