[wnycollector]

The title say's it all. My pre-WWII M&P's are going to be so happy:p Here is the link http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/handgun.aspx?id=828

[StrawHat]

That's good news.

I will get some and test it before shooting my stock of the original ones.

[outerlimit]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought at one time there was a 135gr. and 158gr. version of the Nyclad?

[Deanimator]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought at one time there was a 135gr. and 158gr. version of the Nyclad?
I do believe you're correct, especially regarding the 158gr. version. I sure hope that one comes back, although I'll be glad just to have something to supplant the 158gr. Federal "FBI" load that they don't make any more. Of course, maybe they'll start making THAT one again!

[Daizee]

125gr and they only get 830fps?!?

Good defense against rabid bunnies.

-Daizee

[Dan-O]

Buffalo Bore makes a pretty mean 158 gr. "FBI" load.

[wnycollector]

I would prefer the 158 to the 125, but I'm just happy some type of nyclad is back on the market!

[outerlimit]

125gr and they only get 830fps?!?

Good defense against rabid bunnies.

And psycho gophers.

[golden]

For a number of years, the 125 NYCLAD HP was considered the most effective load in small frame .38 Special revolvers.

I still have 1 box and use it only for carry.

Jim

[Landric]

The 125 grain Nyclad is not +P, hence the lower velocity.

[Old Fuff]

I suppose this is a good thing, but my personal snubbies shoot point-of-aim/point-of-impact with 158 grain bullets.

Out of 2" barrels, the muzzle velocity is under 800 FPS. :eek: I suppose I should just give up and throw the gun at them. :rolleyes:

[highorder]

Perhaps Federal will offer these 125gr. pills as components for those that want more than the factory velocity.

[Deanimator]

Buffalo Bore makes a pretty mean 158 gr. "FBI" load.
So I hear. Kind of expensive, although it's not something I'd practice with.

I like the Nyclad concept. I hope they reintroduce the 158s.

[Gary A]

They don't note the barrel length but the velocities given are approximately what the old Nyclad got from a 2 inch barrel. However, on the 110 grain Personal Defense load, they list velocities which are clearly from a 4 inch barrel, 980 fps. It would be nice to confirm what barrel length that 830 fps is from.

[orchidhunter]

Why did they stop production of Nyclad? I have heard that it had something to do with bullet proff vest. I think it started out as a indoor range load, because lead can harm you in more than one way. orchidhunter

[sm]

Old Fuff wrote:
I suppose this is a good thing, but my personal snubbies shoot point-of-aim/point-of-impact with 158 grain bullets.

So do mine, then again the guns were designed and manufactured to shoot 158 gr loadings POA/POI .

Out of 2" barrels, the muzzle velocity is under 800 FPS. I suppose I should just give up and throw the gun at them

Well if we both throw our guns at them at the same time maybe will have a better chance to survive.


Wait...

I like steak! I am not going to throw my gun!

1929 Colt Detective Specal,
Standard Pressure 158 gr LRN is what I used last time to put a cow down.
One shot, and down. Must be a shot placement thing...

I have done the same thing with snub nose revolvers using my preferred carry loads of Standard Pressure 158 gr LSWC as well.

The gentleman I was with used a older Smith & Wesson Model 36 and he regularly puts down cows with either of the standard pressure loads I refer to.

Oh, these loads will put down those big swamp rabbits.
Not only does shot placement come into play, also woodscraft skills.

I am not knocking Nyclads, or any other loading , standard or +P , if they work for you in your gun after investigating and verifying.

My pet Model 64 3" HB RB now gone *sniff*, shot the Win STHP 125 +p really well!
These sure looked purty in that stainless cylinder looking at the charge holes form the business end.


Gotta look good for them BBQs , so this gun did duty as BBQ gun for them steaks being grilled felled with 158 gr standard pressure LRN or LSWC.

Host (gentleman with the model 36) was sporing his nickle Colt DS with the Win STHP standard pressure 110 grainers.

His Colt actually did pretty well with those loads.

Investigate & Verify.

*moo*

[420Stainless]

Cursed again. I was saving 5 boxes of 'em hoping the demand would get high enough to accumulate some serious gun money.

My Taurus 85 puts them right at point of aim and my Detective Special puts them a tad low, but only about an inch at 25 yards.

[GRIZ22]

125gr and they only get 830fps?!?

It is a std pressure load as was said. If you chronograph +P 125gr loads you'll find they aren't much faster out of a 2".

[Gary A]

Being a fan of the original Nyclad, here are some velocities from a 1 7/8 inch barrel that I have collected from various reviews and articles over several years. My own chronograph results from a 442 and 642 in years past indicated velocities in the 820-830 fps range or thereabouts:

Fed 125 Nyclad – 826 (189) (Disc)

Fed 125 Nyclad – 835 (2.13”)

Fed 125 Nyclad – 867 (209)

Fed 125 Nyclad – 790 (173)

Fed 125 Nyclad – 754 (158)

Fed. Nyclad 125-Grain: 841 Fps

Federal 125-Gr. Nyclad Hp (Std. Pressure) 836

These are all from different authors and articles. The figure in parentheses is foot pounds of energy.

Hopefully the new version will do as well.

[Dr. Snubnose]

That is good news I still use them in my .38s hope they bring back the 158 grainer....Doc:D

[Gary A]

I wish Federal would list the barrel length. On their chart under "Brand" they list "personal defense" but under "Usage" they give the icon for "target shooting, training, and practice". I understand the original Nyclad was also supposedly designed as a training round, but if those velocities are for a target round and from a 4 inch barrel, that would not be so good because I believe the original was spec'd at over 900 fps from a 4 inch barrel (don't remember the exact specs). I'm sure the information will be clarified before long. I'm glad it's back and also would hope the 158 follows. Frankly, this time I wouldn't mind a standard pressure 158 along with the +P.

[Gary A]

Here is one more original Nyclad reported velocity that was omitted:

Federal 125-gr. Nyclad JHP (non +P) 183 fpe 811 fps

And, for comparison, some reported ballistics on the Federal 110 grain Personal Defense standard pressure round:

Federal 110-gr. HydraShok JHP Average Velocity: 877 ft/sec

Federal 110 Personal Defense Hydrashok JHP 821, 884, 820, 854, 844

Federal 110 JHP Hydra-Shok 830 825 854 867 849

Fed. Personal Defense 110-grain: 815 fps

Federal Personal Defense 110 gr. 879 fps

Fed 110 Hdshk – 852 (177)

Fed 110 Hdshk – 792 (153)

Fed 110gr Hs-Pd – 817

Fed Pd 110 Gr – 879 (189)

Fed 110 Pd – 850-875 (Forums)

[sumoj275]

I guess I need o get myself a snubbie now. Do I go with the S&W 442 or the Lemon Squeezer Re-Intro in nickle???

[Gary A]

I guess I need o get myself a snubbie now.

I almost hate to admit I understand your logic :). Once I found 2 boxes of .44 Magnum ammo I forgot I had and immediately began thinking of buying a revolver to shoot them in.

[rdrancher]

The Nyclad is a nice load, but out of a snubbie? I'm not all that convinced.

http://www.handgunsmag.com/ammunition/HGpocket_dynomite300C.jpg

Full article http://www.handgunsmag.com/ammunition/pocket_dynomite/

rd

[Rexster]

I remember, from several ammo test articles back in the day, when the Federal 125-grain Nyclads, that were not +P, were moving at their real-world advertised velocity, a bit over 800 FPS, while some +P 125-grain stuff was actually moving slower than the Nyclads, well under 800 FPS, from the same snubby.

It is good to see this load make a comeback. I am into my last box. I long ago ran out of the 158-grain .38 Special +P; I guess it is history.

[ArchAngelCD]

I thought the discontinued standard pressure Nyclad ammo originally came in 125gr and 158gr (not 135gr) but I can be wrong. A few years back I bought 3 boxes of 158gr Nyclad ammo. I shot off 20 rounds but I still have 130 rounds left. I'm saving them for my 1975 vintage M36 but I just might have to try these out. Those 158gr Nyclad rounds I have are the most accurate .38 Special ammo I've ever shot. I hope the new ones are just as good although I would much rather them be 158gr.

[Dollar An Hour]

Good low-recoil .38 for the many recoil sensitive shooters who have Airweight or Air Lite snubnose revolvers.

No, Nyclads aren't the stoppers that a +P round are, but they may be the best real-world compromise for folks who carry a snubby but can't handle +P ammo.

[kmrcstintn]

my dad's up in age (77 +) and he owns a S&W 642; his motor skills, reflexes, and tolerance to recoil is hampered; I like the idea of Federal resurrecting what was (and still in some circles) the standard among non +p loads for snubby revolvers; he currently has Winchester Personal Defense 125gr sjhp +p's (closest that he used while working civilian & federal contract security), but the recoil has cut his practice sessions down (we both believe in some practice time using loads that you will depend upon for defense);

my Remington 158gr lswchp +p's rock him even harder; I was leaning toward Winchester Silvertip 110gr or Federal Hydrashok 110gr standard pressure loads for him...the advent of a nyclad 125gr lswchp load gives me another choice to maximize his effectiveness

[orchidhunter]

One of my varied associates said that a Nyclad round would penetrate a bulletproff vest, and that is why they stoped production of them. I made mention of Nyclad and bulletproff vest early in this thread, but received no response. Anybody know if there is any truth to this? orchidhunter

[JFrame]

One of my varied associates said that a Nyclad round would penetrate a bulletproff vest, and that is why they stoped production of them. I made mention of Nyclad and bulletproff vest early in this thread, but received no response. Anybody know if there is any truth to this? orchidhunter

Interesting...Since one of the acclaimed benefits of the Nyclad was its ability to mushroom at lower pressure and velocity, it seems odd that it would also be overly penetrative against vests. I'm not saying that an urban legend hasn't arisen in this regard, but to my casual eye, it doesn't "pass muster."

Of course, every technological innovation and/or marketing ploy has been decried by the left as a "cop-killer" bullet (e.g., Black Talons and teflon-tipped rounds).

[rklessdriver]

When a .357 dia lead projectile meets a Kevelar Vest at only 850FPS the lead loses every time. I don't care what it was coated in.

As for Tefelon Tipped. Again some more inaccuracy from the Hollywood elite, TV and Gun Control morons.

First the KTW ammo developed in the 1960s, used a tefelon coating so the bullet would not wear out barrels due to very hard solid brass projectile. An expose by NBC televison in the early 80's got the cop killer bullet crapola ball rolling...

Typicall bunch of made for TV drama BS. :banghead:

There are some projectiles developed specifically for cutting throu Kevelar Vest but the Federal Nyclad ain't on of them.

When will people quite taking their firearms info from Leathal Weapon and stupid other movies??
Will

[kmrcstintn]

the 'nylon cladding' has only 1 major purpose...reduce/eliminate lead fouling inside the cylinder, on the face of the forcing cone, and on the inside of the barrel; some might believe that you gain a few more fps since it might 'theoretically reduce friction'

Winchester recently resurrected their 'lubalox' coating on their SZT line they package for Bass Pro Shop; just plain jane Winchester White Box loads with a lighter coating of lubalox than the 'infamous' Black Talons; again, it reduces copper fouling inside of barrels;

as far as using a 'not so fast' lswchp being shot into a kevlar vest...I am not planning to engage my local LEO's for any reason;

[The_Shootist]

Any idea as to when it hits the market? Cheaperthandirt doesn't have any (although that isn't saying much).

[Nnobby45]

The Nyclad is a nice load, but out of a snubbie? I'm not all that convinced.



Apparently it's coming back because of popular demand. It was considered the best performing standard pressure load that offered reliable expansion--even at snubbie velocities.

Was popular for the recoil shy for use in light J-frames. Apparently, it still is--especiall with all the super light Ti or Sc J-frames out there.

There was a +P version, but it used harder cast lead to perform at higher velocities. It's just a lead bullet with a hard coating.

There was, in fact, a 158 SWC HP version.

[tom1200]

Back in the day when S&W first produced these as the "Chief's Special" load they were the best thing for the aluminum frame J frames of the time. Today with J frames capable of taking up to .357 mag they seem out of place. Of course if you have an old Chief's Special then they are a nice load and were considered pretty effective for their power level. A stout 158 grain load would certainly make more sense.

[Piraticalbob]

Unless I'm mistaken, the original intent of the 125-grain standard velocity Nyclad was to provide a reliable self-defense load for people whose .38 Special revolvers weren't rated for +P pressures. A secondary benefit was that the nylon coating was clean and didn't contribute to lead particulate pollution when used at indoor ranges. The fact that it is a gentle-shooting load for modern airweight snubs is just bonus, or lagniappe, as they say in New Orleans. :D

[jad0110]

Just curious, what is the typical penetration depth of this load? As I seem to recall, it achieve about 12-13", even out of a 2" barrel.

[kmrcstintn]

125gr and they only get 830fps?!?

Good defense against rabid bunnies.

-Daizee

consider this...most .45 acp 230gr non +p loads chug along @ 850 fps...maybe 900 fps w/ good powder charge; most .44 spl loads are subsonic; virtually all .45 Colt loads are subsonic; don't really hear anybody sneering at these slower calibers; yeah, they're heavier...I'll give you that, but it's pretty damned hard to pocket carry big bore handguns; the Nyclad is a good compromise between the harder recoil of 38 spl +p loads and the reduced penetration of 110gr non +p .38 spl loads

[Mack4321]

Gentlemen, Gentlemen. I have in my posession what you seek. It says buffalo Bore on the box cover. And inside are 20, 158 grain swc-hc @ 850 fps. And inside the other box, I have 20, 125 grain speer low Vel. jhp @ 900fps. Now I to wield a snubby j as my personal defense weapon. And if these velocities are for a four inch barral, well just take 50 fps off the muzzle velocity,making them 800 and 850 fps respectively, and drive on. Remember placement is king. Two is better than one. And you have three more to compensate for any misgivings you may have. Oh, yes, and remember what they teach in the military. Fire until they drop.

[ArchAngelCD]

Mack4321,
Welcome to the forum...

About those BB rounds. Yes they make good ammo but no you aren't going to get the published velocities in your revolver. Also, I don't like paying over $1 a round no matter how good the ammo is. I truly feel no ammo is worth $24.24 for 20 rounds.

[novaDAK]

There was, in fact, a 158 SWC HP version.
and when I found a guy selling a few boxes of them (50rds each) for $20/box I bought all he had. According to brassfetcher's site the Nyclad 158gr LSWCHP +P did well.

http://www.brassfetcher.com/.38%20Special%20158gr%20Federal%20Nyclad%20+P%20SWCHP.html