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k9870
December 28, 2008, 04:38 PM
any good? want something cheap to launch ammo downrange. hows the accuracy? 1, 2, 3 moa? range?

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R.W.Dale
December 28, 2008, 04:42 PM
any good? want something cheap to launch ammo downrange. hows the accuracy? 1, 2, 3 moa? range?

realistically 2 to 3moa 5 shot 100yd groups most of the time maybe the ocassonal 1MOA group with a lucky example. They're good fun guns but not exactly something you'd expect to win benchrest matches with

of course to have that 7.62x25 barrel made from either a stub or a rebore will set you back a good $350

jarhead98
December 28, 2008, 05:23 PM
Handi Rifles are great. They make a wide variety of calibers, from 22LR to 12 ga, to 30-06. The more accurate versions are the varmint H-bar models in 223, 243, 308. The factory fits the spare barrels ($80+/-), get a RIFLE to get other rifle, shotgun or rimfire capability. Excellent choice for a ''do it all'' squirell, deer, elk, moose, grizzly, pheasant, quail gun. A nice padded case for spare barrels, etc great. Advice- dont have similiar calibers. Too easy to load a 30-06 in a 270 barrel and it go BOOM. Scopes are on the barrel, so zero stays true- nice plus. Enjoy! I love the Handi Rifle combo idea. But for now, I just have the 12 ga NEF- and cant put rifle on it, so buy a 'rifle' and do any caliber they offer. Very fast reloads are possible with training- and barrel does not heat up, loose accuracy. Box of 20 should be 20 dead deer.

Liberty1776
December 28, 2008, 11:07 PM
Mine in 30-30 shoots 1 1/2" groups with any ammo I feed it. My .223 with the sporter bbl. shoot better than a friend's Remington 700 with the same ammo - about 1 3/8". Haven't had the chance to shoot the one in 7x57 or
.280 Remington yet.

nipprdog
December 28, 2008, 11:28 PM
realistically 2 to 3moa 5 shot 100yd groups most of the time maybe the ocassonal 1MOA group with a lucky example.

So, you're saying you have no experience with them, but posted anyway.

Roadkill
December 28, 2008, 11:47 PM
Ha one in .223. Very good shooter but had a damn tight chamber.

R.W.Dale
December 28, 2008, 11:47 PM
So, you're saying you have no experience with them, but posted anyway.

Shows what you know troll:rolleyes:

No I've owned five with about a dozen different barrels between them chambered for everything from .223 to 500S&W magnum, My current SB2 is at Remington getting a 30-30 and a .50cal Muzzleloader barrel fitted.

Typically the 30-30's and .223's are the best shooters and at the other end of the spectrum .243's can often be a total crapshoot.

Perhaps you find my honesty shocking where people like yourself will be content to post "internet" groups. :rolleyes:You know the magical wonderland where every $240 rifle shoots half MOA all the time. Or better yet when someone lucks into shooting one sub MOA three shot group thier rifle instantly becomes a sub moa gun that'll reproduce that accuracy "all day long"

GRIZ22
December 29, 2008, 12:05 AM
My 223 shoots about 1 1/2" with just about any factory ammo. I'm sure I could get that under an inch if I custom loaded for it.

mnrivrat
December 29, 2008, 12:09 AM
Humm - I must have gotton a couple good ones , mine in .223 are sub MOA shooters (5 shot groups) Wether all are, I don't know ?

I did do a trigger job on both, so that may have helped, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy a handy rifle if it fits your needs and budget.

sumoj275
December 29, 2008, 12:56 AM
I had one of the Ultra Varmint in .223 Rem and it was a decent shooter like 1 MOA. I sold the rifle but have been thinking of getting another one in .243 Win. Now the reason for .243 Win is I have about 400 rds of handloaded ammo with a 65 gr V-Max. Any idea if they shoot better with the heavier or lighter bullet in .243 Win?
Thanks

Dean Williams
December 29, 2008, 01:30 AM
I have one in 22 Hornet. Five shot strings usually put four into about a nickel sized group, with the fifth often making it a two inch group. That's with a 3-9 on it. Mine is an older one, and the trigger isn't so great.
These are popular rifles, and I've shot some in different calibers that belonged to other people. I don't recall any that were as bad as 3 MOA, but it could easily happen if you can't hold it together through that trigger pull.
The rifle is pretty light, too. I don't think it would be fun to shoot one at length in .308 or larger.

R.W.Dale
December 29, 2008, 01:49 AM
Dean Williams I'm not picking on you at all but this is rather a more generalist rant about the accuracy claims many like to make

At what point in our world did we get so spoiled that solid 3MOA performance from a $240 rifle become "BAD". I base my observations on what my handi's would do in the accuracy department day in day out not what they would pull off once. When making claims about a rifle's accuracy in order to be honest you must figure in the bad groups too.

Dean Williams
December 29, 2008, 06:01 PM
Quote krochus;
Dean Williams I'm not picking on you at all but this is rather a more generalist rant about the accuracy claims many like to make

At what point in our world did we get so spoiled that solid 3MOA performance from a $240 rifle become "BAD". I base my observations on what my handi's would do in the accuracy department day in day out not what they would pull off once. When making claims about a rifle's accuracy in order to be honest you must figure in the bad groups too.

First, I realize you aren't directing this to me, specifically.

My opinion; I don't think we are spoiled. I, and I suppose a few others, think 3MOA is not as good as it should be for certain rifles. The price of this rifle notwithstanding, these are modern firearms, made using modern manufacturing processes. The same action is used for large hunting calibers and smaller varmint rounds. When you buy a (new) rifle chambered for a varmint caliber in an action that is primarily useful only for hunting or target shooting, I think it should do better than 3MOA. My experience is that they do better than 3MOA. I'm not a great shot, but maybe I'm capable, or just patient enough to sit through that trigger. You say 2-3 MOA, I say 1-2 MOA.

halfacop
December 29, 2008, 06:57 PM
I had a HR in 223 a few years ago.....

It was an exceptional shooter and I could consistantly cover my groups with a quarter at 100 yrds......

I wish I had never sold that stick.....

fatelk
December 29, 2008, 07:33 PM
I have two of them, a Handi Rifle in 45-70 and an old H&R Topper in .22 Hornet.
The hornet has problems and I haven't really messed with it enough yet to see if I can coax any accuracy out of it. It was abused by a previous owner and needs help, so it's not really even worth mentioning, but I did anyway.

The 45-70 is in excellent condition, as no matter what I do, groups no better than about 3moa (from sandbags, and yes I can shoot better than that).

That being said, a friend of mine loves these rifles and also has a 45-70 that he can get close to 1moa consistently. Luck of the draw?

gbran
December 29, 2008, 08:13 PM
How are the triggers on these rifles? My T/C G2 came from the factory with a trigger that made the gun nearly unshootable. Every rifle I own shoots better with a trigger job.

moooose102
December 29, 2008, 10:26 PM
HONESTLY, dont expect good accuracy from one until you get a trigger job done to it! mine from the factory is over 7 pounds. it is really tough to get good accuracy from a rifle with that kind of a trigger unless you have it anchored securerly to a rest. mine, when in a rest, and doing everything i can do, will print 1&3/4" 100 yard groups (223 bull barrel). but i have to work very hard to get that kind of results. one mistake and it will easily throw a bullet 3 or 4" outside what i had been shooting. i cant wait to see what it will do with a 2-3 pound pull. if it isnt smaller, at least i wont have to work so hard to get it. my advice to you, if you buy one, dont even shoot it until you get the trigger fixed!

rbernie
December 30, 2008, 12:09 AM
I have a bunch of HandiRifles. They are reasonably accurate - less than 2 MOA consistently. Occasionally, I'll tune a load for one to get it MOA-ish, but rarely do I do so. The insides of the barrels show all sorts of machine marks and such, but they shoot pretty dang well nevertheless.

All of mine have a relatively crisp 6lb trigger, with a fair bit of overtravel. For field use, that's just fine by me. A local gunsmith will take the trigger down to about 4lbs if I want, but so far I just haven't seen the need.

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