Millenium Pro Series?


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7Star
December 28, 2008, 05:05 PM
Is there any inherent difference in safety concerns between my new Taurus Millenium Pro striker-fired trigger SA/DA and my other traditional DA/SA pistols. This is a spin off of another post where I commented I carry my DA/SA makarov fully concealed in my desantis pro stealth IWB with the safety OFF. Some people felt this was very unsafe. So, my question is not going to be whether it is safe to carry the mil. pro this way...but is there a difference in safety when carrying these two triggers mechanisms this way?? I see similar pistols with no external safeties out there.

Thanks alot for the help. Appreciate it.

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orchidhunter
December 28, 2008, 05:40 PM
Some will say that to carry any Taurus product for SD is not a safe thing to do. Read your owners manual for advice as how to carry you pistol. orchidhunter

7Star
December 28, 2008, 05:48 PM
Thanks...but not so very helpful. hahaha!!

arizonaguide
December 28, 2008, 07:37 PM
The KAHR is a DA without a safety. Same with the S&W revolvers.
But I'm not carrying anything in my FRONT waistband without a safety!
(and probably not, even with one!)
:eek:

Cuz, if Stanley or the twins were injured...I wouldn't have a life left that I'd want to defend!!!

7s, Check into the facts about the striker being cocked/partly cocked by racking the slide, versus traditional DA actions.
It IS different. Also, is there anything like a safety-bar (like on a revolver) with a striker? I don't know, but I'm asking leading questions. I know I would not trust it in the FRONT of my pants.

7Star
December 28, 2008, 09:10 PM
hahaha!! Yeah...I think the boys will be ok. I know there are internal differences...but simply considering the length and weight of pull....They seem similarly safe to me. I really prefer the 2:00 IWB...anywhere in the back...it is way too obvious that I am carrying if I'm actually doing day to day things or even just shopping...I can't do anything with out it becoming an apparent gun handle buldge....but that is getting off topic.

Do you think there is a safety difference between carrying a DA/SA with the safety off, as I do already....and the new SA/DA Milenium Pro with the long consistant pull??

arizonaguide
December 28, 2008, 10:00 PM
YES it is different.

I do know the regular "double action" is different than the "striker" fired action. I know that the striker is "partially cocked", so the striker pistol is not a "true" DA action.

Talk to a gunsmith about it, or perhaps check out a "how it works" site on "striker actions".

That "partly cocked" part would bother me.

You ARE smart to ask, and find out the answer.

If you find a good site with a breakdown, will you post a link here...cuz I'm curious too. I'm looking at a KAHR.
(I'll be looking also, and will post if I find it)

Darth AkSarBen
December 28, 2008, 11:55 PM
Taurus Millennium has a firing pin block that keeps the firing pin from any forward movement to hit the primer, UNLESS the trigger has been pulled nearly all the way back. This action moves the trigger bar to a rearward position that has a cam that moves the Firing Pin Safety block up and out of the way. Won't matter if safety is on or not. If the trigger is not pretty much pulled all the way back, it's not going to fire. Not sure about the Makarov.

The Taurus 24/7 Pro I carry in .45 ACP is nearly identical to the Millennium Pro series. I do know that the 24/7 Pro is SA first shot and SA subsequent shots, unless the primer did not go and then you can revert to DA to re-strike th primer. The travel of the trigger is simply "travel" it does not finish cocking the striker. The striker on this model is already in a fully cocked position and the rearward travel of the trigger moves the transfer bar to release the striker from it's sear.

arizonaguide
December 29, 2008, 12:12 AM
Thanks Darth, that points me in the right direction also.

7Star
December 29, 2008, 09:57 AM
Darth...yes...that is exactly the same as the millenium pro action i picked up. It seems some people have concerns about the "fully cocked" status...but with the internal safety mechanisms and trigger pull feel being sorta a more continous DA, I'm thinking I see no difference in safety for my carry. I may actually feel better about carrying the millenium pro in this manner. I'm going to keep looking into it...but thanks everyone for a little guidance.

You know, oddly enough early on I seriously considered purchasing a similar alternative pistol with grip safety...it seemed compatible for me as my carry...but it was a little too bulking. I really liked the mil. pro dimensions...and i really do feel more comfortable with the manual thumb safety for any handling...even though I prefer not engaged while in the holster. Thanks again!!

SSN Vet
December 29, 2008, 11:10 AM
i really do feel more comfortable with the manual thumb safety for any handling...even though I prefer not engaged while in the holster.

I find that the thumb motion to swipe off the manual safety on the Mil. Pro. is very natural and "ergonomically correct".

Practice drawing from your holster and swiping the safety off as you present the weapon to a firing position and I think you will agree.

I have short digits w/ large knuckles, so I have to shift my grip to toggle the safety up to the SAFE position, but swiping it off is not an issue for me.

mpmarty
December 29, 2008, 11:39 AM
I carry one of the first of the latest generation MilPros in 45acp. The safety blocks the trigger only and that's fine with me. The firing pin safety block as stated in the earlier post blocks the firing pin or striker unless the trigger is fully depressed. This little ten shot 45 is the answer to all my CCW needs. Accurate, Reliable, Compact and a real joy to shoot. Had mine for about two years and it gets shot every week with at least a hundred rounds of cast handloads and then a mag full of my carry ammo which is 185gr Barnes solid copper flying ash trays. This ammo is marketed by Taurus under their own name specifically for the milpro compact in an effort to get the velocity back up there and it works. Sportsmans Guide has a run of it once in a while for less than barnes sells the copper bullets alone. I have close to fifty boxes of this fine stuff and add to the stash whenever it goes on sale.

7Star
December 29, 2008, 01:23 PM
Thanks.

This site also helped me get a grip on it also:

http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/www.Pete-357.com/xddasa.htm

The mil. pro and the XD are both similarly internally SA and DA-like externally...so it seems related. Not sure how IDPA classifies it though. I'd be curious to find out...I'm assuming SA..which might be to a disadvantage.

I guess if you look at the traditional classifications, which don't really apply:

Condition 4: Chamber empty, no magazine.
Condition 3: Chamber empty.
Condition 2: Round chambered, hammer down.
Condition 1: Round chambered, hammer cocked, safety on ("Cocked and Locked").
(I copied that from another post)

I carry my Makarov in Condition 2 and can not carry it in Condition 1. The safety is also the decocker. However, with the Millenium Pro being DA-Like...loong 6 or 7lb pull..I've heard both..I'm a bad judge.

I guess carrying the Mil Pro with out the safety engaged should be considered condition 2 or atleast 1.5. :) There seems to be enough internal safety.

Darth AkSarBen
December 29, 2008, 02:37 PM
My CPL instructor has a polymer frame pistol that has no external safety that you can engage. Simply DA only and relies on the safety internally.

Ditto on what SSN Vet says. Practice in a room without ANY ammunition in the room, and of course, none at all in the pistol. Practice and practice. It will soon become second nature. Even at a firing range, when you practice drawing and disengaging the safety, best to not be loaded until such time as it is butter smooth.

7Star
December 29, 2008, 03:39 PM
Yes, it is very ergonomically correct and I can get my other carry piece out and off easily...only I choose not to carry it this way. It is only that I was a little confused about the mechanism on the new pistol that I wanted to get some opinions. ...not to change how I carry..but just to personally feel it is simialrly safe/dangerous as my previous handgun to carry the same way. I appreciate you help too.

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