Friend had an idea - Will this work?


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Hostile Amish
December 29, 2008, 05:35 PM
My friend is a pistol and rifle enthusiast, and he asked me for some advice. He had the idea to use a bullet puller to remove bullets from cheap factory ammunition, save the propellant, and press the bullet back in. He wants to use these 'de-powered' cartridges to practice clearing FTF's by mixing in the semi-dud cartridges in with full-power ammunition in one magazine. Would the primer alone be enough to force the bullet out of the barrel? (Velocity doesn't matter, because he's practicing clearing the chamber, not trying to increase performance).

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Hk Dan
December 29, 2008, 05:41 PM
No, the primer alone will put the bullet into the barrel and block it completely. He's essentially created a squib load. The bullet will need to be driven out of the barrel.

He would be better-served to seat a bullet over a primerless case and then clearly mark the case with a a sharpie or similar device. There should be no confusion from any angle as to which is live and which is a dummy.

Without knowing the precise blend of propellant that was used in the cheap ammo, he is (no pun intended) really playing with fire if he intends to use it for loading other rounds.

One man's opinion,
Dan

kingpin008
December 29, 2008, 05:42 PM
Hostile - That seems like an extremely bad idea to me, as well as a waste of ammo.

While the primer is usually plenty powerful to send the bullet from the case, it is very likely to end up lodged in the barrel, and if he were to fire another full-powered round behind it, a Kaboom could very well be the result.

The Bushmaster
December 29, 2008, 05:44 PM
Tell your friend that he is NUTS. And if I were you. I'd stand way clear of him when he is going to fire a weapon. Like at least 2 miles away.

The answer? NO!!! An emphatic NO!!

A primer isn't even powerful enough to push a bullet down a pistol barrel let alone a rifle. Most primer fired bullets barely enter the rifling. Second shot will cause catistrophic damage to the firearm and the shooter...

Hostile Amish
December 29, 2008, 05:46 PM
Thanks for the input, I'll just have to drive to his house to stop him.

pruav
December 29, 2008, 05:54 PM
Just get some snaps caps
http://www.pistoleer.com/azoom/

R.W.Dale
December 29, 2008, 05:54 PM
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/3804420896.jpg

just to drive the point home this is the kind of destruction a squib load can cause

Walkalong
December 29, 2008, 05:56 PM
Deprime them as well and reprime with spent primers and he will be fine, otherwise.....

dstark
December 29, 2008, 08:37 PM
I have actually fired a primer only
.223 load through my mini-14 and it cleared the barrel. I would strongly suggest not to try it intentionally, mine was a reloading mishap. Had it not cleared, my mini would have probably ended up like krochus's AR. Scared me enough to go shake every one of my handloaded .223's, which took a very long time.

Ohio Gun Guy
December 29, 2008, 08:41 PM
I'm joining the crowd here, having practice loads that look real is a REALLY bad Idea. A mix up is bound to happen!

HEADLINE: Man shot with "Practice" Load. :confused:

Jim Watson
December 29, 2008, 09:27 PM
The safe way to do that is for him to buy some dummy rounds and let YOU load the gun. A dummy interspersed here and there will put him to work on the problem. There is another way I have read of but it may only work for the Beretta that the particular agency used.

.38 Special
December 29, 2008, 09:48 PM
"imfatic"

Swing and a miss! :neener:

3pairs12
December 29, 2008, 09:52 PM
krochus was that a squib you had? That looks nasty. Hopefully everything worked out alright for you or whomever.

The Bushmaster
December 30, 2008, 12:59 AM
Aah me...I just hate school teachers on this site. Especially .38 special. I didn't know you were a school teacher...:neener:

Spelling corrected (emphatic). Had a hell of a time figuring that one out...:D

evan price
December 30, 2008, 02:36 AM
I made up rounds for this purpose by taking cases that were going to be scrapped anyway (loose primer pockets) and glueing a spent primer in, then seated a bullet. I drilled a 2.2mm hole through-and-through the case sidewall and deburred it. Now I can clearly see it is dead. It works great for FTF clearing. And no way will it ever fire anything.

R.W.Dale
December 30, 2008, 05:32 AM
krochus was that a squib you had? That looks nasty. Hopefully everything worked out alright for you or whomever.
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Not my pic THANKFULLY, just something from Google to impress the importance of what others have said

rcmodel
December 30, 2008, 12:24 PM
Real dummy function-test rounds don't even have a dummy primer in them.

I wouldn't bother putting fired primers back in place.

rcmodel

Shoney
December 30, 2008, 02:01 PM
Home brew snap cap.
Deprime and clean the primer pocket with acetone. Get "ShoeGoo" at any footwear store, and with a toothpick place a large drop in the primer pocket, let stand 24 hrs, do it again until the goo can be cut level with case.

These snap caps last thousands of firing, and prevents damage to the firing pin. If the goo craters, another dab'l'doya.

EHL
December 30, 2008, 02:43 PM
I had this idea too. Then I realized what a stupid one it was since there could be the slight chance of confusion and load a live round instead of my "dummy" round and bang!:what: I shelled out the two bucks for the dummy snap cap instead and now have piece of mind.:)

paperpuncher49
December 30, 2008, 06:53 PM
"just to drive the point home this is the kind of destruction a squib load can cause"

It would seem to me a squib load in an AR would lodge somewhere in the barrel, thereby preventing propellant gasses from reaching the gas port and operating the action, ultimately resulting in the failure to eject and/or chambering of another round. Therefore, a squib load would not cause the kind of destruction shown in the picture. If the shooter manually pulled the charging handle and chambered/fired another round, then this kind of destruction could occur. Maybe I am being picky, but that would mean the destruction was a result of pure stupidity, not the firing of a squib load.

.38 Special
December 30, 2008, 09:38 PM
Aah me...I just hate school teachers on this site. Especially .38 special. I didn't know you were a school teacher...

Well now that you do I hope you'll put more effort into your spelling, young man. :p

The Bushmaster
December 31, 2008, 01:52 AM
Well...I'll take the "young man" as due respect. Your punctuation could do with a bit of polishing. Now that you mentioned it...:evil:

Remo-99
December 31, 2008, 06:37 AM
Like RC mentioned, load dummy rounds, without any primer at all, if your concerned about about firingpin damage, snapcaps are avaliable just about anywhere.

Also, like mentioned the live primer alone is enough to force a bullet into the first several inches of the barrel.

Not a huge problem by itself, until someone cycles a live round then fires it
= very, very bad news for the person holding the weapon.

Remo-99
December 31, 2008, 06:39 AM
double posted

Remo-99
December 31, 2008, 06:40 AM
tripple posted, even. lol

moooose102
December 31, 2008, 10:22 AM
he is asking for major trouble. all of this is a big no-no. leave the cheap ammo alone, shoot it and forget it. the only thing he is really going to acomplish doing this is hurting himself, someone else, or his rifle(s).

offthepaper
December 31, 2008, 02:18 PM
While I'm still fairly new to reloading, I was given formal instruction by an NRA certified metallic reloading instructor. This idea just goes against EVERYTHING that I was recently taught.
This is a very, very bad idea.
There are so many different bad things that could come from it that it never even be considered.

ranger335v
December 31, 2008, 07:54 PM
Pull bullets? Put glue in primer pockets? Buy dummy rounds? (Who would want to shoot dummies anyway, that sort of foolishness puts my life at risk!) When it's so simple to load a few old cases with no primer/powder?

hershey
December 31, 2008, 08:57 PM
in my reloading woes i actually did just what he asked about, i thought it was a bad primer, but when i went to salvage the case in the bullet puller i found no powder present, it was a pure oops on my part, but the relavant part to this discussion is that my federal primer did not dislodge the crimped bullet from the case.

all this said i in no way encourage anyone to intentionally do it, but i did and that was the result.

bullseye308
December 31, 2008, 11:50 PM
Pull the bullet, fire the primer, seat the bullet. Mark it either with a sharpie on the buttom of the case, nail polish the bullet a different color, or somehow mark the case as a dummy. Drilling holes through it like was mentioned would be great. Maybe even use hot glue to fill the primer pocket. I onse heard mention of useing a piece of eraser glued into the primer pocket to make a dummy and not harm the firing pin, so you have valid options that you can use.

dpeck
January 1, 2009, 12:24 AM
Excellent way to jam up your gun. The primer will most certainly have enough force to push the bullet well out into your barrel. Then your looking for a way to remove the bullet without damaging the barrel!!!!
Get someone with a reloader to make you some dummy rounds for the test you're trying to run.

jeepmor
January 1, 2009, 01:15 AM
Speer sells plastic bullets for primer propelled training. I have never bought them myself, but I have seen that at Sportsman's Warehouse if that helps.

jeepmor

jpwilly
January 1, 2009, 02:23 AM
Use a SNAP CAP!

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