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NewShooter
December 31, 2008, 08:58 AM
I see a lot of posts about paper trails and such. So I am curious how many register their warranties with the manurfacturer. The mfg asks for serial numbers, names, addresses etc. Also, who do the mfgs share this info with?
BTW: I am talking muzzleloaders here.

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madcratebuilder
December 31, 2008, 09:52 AM
Why would you worry about a paper trail on a legally purchased fire arm? Any fire arm that goes through a FFL has a paper trail. All FFL's are required to keep a 'bound book'.

4v50 Gary
December 31, 2008, 10:08 AM
The mfg generally wants that for liability purposes. If a defect is found, then they want to contact the owner and inform the owner of a recall. Where the mfg is a producer of modern firearms, .gov may be asking for their assistance in terms of a trace. They want to know what distributor received the gun, then they'll go to the distributor and find out what dealer and from what dealer to what buyer.

mykeal
December 31, 2008, 10:15 AM
4v50Gary: You should mention that the trace the government conducts is done in association with the recovery of a firearm that was either reported stolen or used in a felony.

madcratebuilder: Yes, the FFL must keep a bound book record of the purchase and sale of modern firearms. With very few exceptions muzzleloaders are exempted from those provisions by the GCA of '68; many, if not most, muzzleloaders are not purchased from FFL's.

NewShooter: ask the manufacturer who they share the data with. I believe they will respond as 4v50Gary has suggested, but it's worth asking. By the way, I've never had any junk mail or spam email as a result of returning a warranty registration card to a muzzleloader manufacturer, if that's what you're concerned about. On the other hand, product deficiences and recalls are usually well publicized in these forums, so such information should be readily available. The only down side would be that you might not qualify for free corrective action if you had not returned the warranty registration.

Old Fuff
December 31, 2008, 10:23 AM
I don't believe they share the information with anyone, except perhaps their own sales/advertising departments. At the present time there are no laws requiring them to do so, and if this is a new "firearm," thay will have that information through the dealer's bound book and form #4473

I notice that you posted in the Black Powder sub-forum, so perhaps you are specifically interested in black powder guns. In some states black powder handguns are controled and registered in the same manner as modern cartridge ones, but in most they are not. Under federal statutes they are not. It will take gun control advocates a long time before they get around restricting black powder/non-metallic cartridge guns, and by that time I'd expect that everyone that was worried would have bought some and simply not sent in the warrantee card.

Macmac
December 31, 2008, 12:53 PM
All of these guys above make a good valid point.

Most states don't track black powder fire arms.

Any modern gun needs to be recovered before any search can be done.

For liability purposes the card is a good idea.

Filling out the forms for a modern gun probably doesn't occur with a black powder gun, in most states.

I think maybe Cal and NY might, maybe NJ?? There is none of that in NH however so I can't really know.

Many people who buy a modern gun make the error that NICS gets alot of info they don't get.

NICS gets your name, you address, you SS number if you allow it and if you have a common name like John Smith it is wise to give the SS number, or you can suffer a delay.

NICS gets if you are a citizen, and most all the other in person related info you give.

WHAT NICS doesn't get is the make model and serial number of the specific gun(s).

They get 'long gun' for any rifle or shot gun, They get 'pistol' for a semi auto, and they get 'hand gun' for any revolver.

NICS has no idea what gun that might be with that sort of info. The just know you bought one of the type guns or more.

Knowing John Smith bought 1 long gun, a pistol and a hand gun, is just about useless.

Probably what is more dangerous is if you buy modern ammo as a boat load from the Sports Man's Guide. If anyone knows your name and your zip code, they can track any purchases made on line or NOT! You can track your own info and so can anyone else who just knows your name and zip code period! You don't need a computer to have this info available to anyone who has a computer.

If I knew your name and had your zip code i could find out what ammo you bought, when and how much easy as pie..

pohill
December 31, 2008, 03:25 PM
From my experiences buying new BP revolvers, Traditions (Pietta) and Taylors (Uberti) keep track of the serial numbers of the guns they sell because they warranty new guns for a year (all parts). I've called both companies, given them the serial number of the gun(s), and they look it up to verify the warranty. They (both companies) always gave me the option of receiving new parts, or sending the gun back to them for repair/replacement. I never dealt with the store where I bought the gun and I never sent in a card to anyone (I live in MA).

If I knew your name and had your zip code i could find out what ammo you bought, when and how much easy as pie..
How?

NewShooter
January 1, 2009, 10:18 AM
Thanks everyone. I already did the registration online. I was just curious.

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