Whats your take on Jimenez


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Thal
January 1, 2009, 12:19 AM
I am new to owning a handgun and went looking for one that was cheep but good and I bought a Jimenez 9mm for $180. The guy who sold it to me said it was a good gun but when I showed it to a friend he asked why I bought it, and when he showed me the low reviews on other sites, Im starting to second guess buying it. does anyone know where i could get a GOOD 9mm for arond $200-$300?

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SaxonPig
January 1, 2009, 12:27 AM
$180 doesn't inspire confidence.

But try the gun before you decide it's no good. If you can 3-4 boxes of ammo through with good functioning it would likely be OK for defensive use.

I don't know of anything of real quality for under $300 except maybe a used older S&W like a Model 59 from a police agency or maybe a Ruger 9mm.

General Geoff
January 1, 2009, 12:27 AM
You should be able to get a Hi-Point pistol (http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/handguns/9%20mm/hi_point_9mm.html) for ~$150-200 brand new. They're not the best looking pistols, but they go bang every time and have an unconditional lifetime warranty.

rbernie
January 1, 2009, 12:29 AM
The Ruger P95 with black slide sells for $300 locally. That's a smoking bargain for the quality and durability you'll get out of that pistol.

John828
January 1, 2009, 12:30 AM
Like the rest have stated, shoot first, decide later.

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 1, 2009, 12:32 AM
The Thal may be hideous mutants, but they are peaceful farmers... er.. wait... Jimenez gets lumped in with Jennings (I think there is some relations), Lorcin, etc.

For $200-300, you'd be better off getting a used 9mm from a reputable maker. Or even a new S&W Sigma, as much as it pains me to say it.

If you can save up another $100 bucks and put yourself in the $300-400 range, you'll have a much better selection.

Thal
January 1, 2009, 12:38 AM
does any one know a place near portland OR where I could get a good used 9mm, and for just turning 21 and my job as security (armed pulls in $15-$30 more) i wanted to buy and be proficient with my gun before I went for my armed license

Duke of Doubt
January 1, 2009, 12:45 AM
Around here, a used cop Smith & Wesson Model 10 may be had for about $200 and a used cop Beretta Model 92FS may be had for about $350. MUCH better; in fact, I have carried both concealed with full confidence.

machinisttx
January 1, 2009, 02:52 AM
LOL.... Several guys at the small shop where I work got conned into buying Jiminez 9mm's. I know one of those guns wouldn't fire 2 consecutive shots without jamming. They're junk.

High point on the other hand, is actually reliable from what I hear and my wife's stepmom's 9mm has never jammed. They're big and clunky, but they work.

mbt2001
January 1, 2009, 02:59 AM
Jiminez are ammo picky, so you need to use 9mm FMJ bullets with a round nose. That isn't a big problem for the 9, but for the 380 it is a little harder to do.

Anyway, they are decent guns, surprisingly accurate and easy to work on. I have owned several Lorcin, Bryco and Jennings pistols and have enjoyed them for the most part.

www.summitgunbroker.com has some 40 Smith and Wesson Sigmas for like $185.00. They do not come much cheaper than that.

Keep the Jiminez though. (http://bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1887) (http://concealed-carry.5u.com/) that thread and that sight should make you feel better. A lot of the crap that is talked about the "Saturday night specials" and even that particular term is part of a campaign that has been run by the Anti's that has been successful for the most part. They honestly want all guns to cost $15,000 dollars and are doing their utmost to make that happen.

Before Glock caught on people said the same thing about them... Seriously.

MAKster
January 1, 2009, 11:16 AM
Jimenez is just the latest incarnation of the Jennings/Raven/Bryco/Davis/Lorcin zinc junk. These guns were built for someone who knows nothing about handguns except they want one and plans to stick it in the dresser drawer and probably never fire it.

bannockburn
January 1, 2009, 11:54 AM
Thal

I would say look used first in that price range (S&W Sigma, Ruger P series, Taurus PT-92, or a Hi-Power clone by FEG or FM), and try to work a trade-in deal with the Jimenez if possible.

theotherwaldo
January 1, 2009, 02:32 PM
I've picked these guns up for little or nothing. They usually worked after replacing a part or two. They are, in general, fragile and poorly designed. Machining tolerances tend to combine in ways that lead to jams and internal damage. They often work for a while, they can be fun and challenging to shoot, but I would not rely on one in a life-or-death situation.

Jim K
January 1, 2009, 02:41 PM
I was a gunsmith in a shop that sold a bunch of those Jennings/Bryco pistols. When they came back, which was often, the boss wanted them fixed. I was usually able to get them working, but IMHO, they are junk.

There is no way I would stake my life on one.

Jim

RoboDuck
January 1, 2009, 05:30 PM
If you tie several together they work well as boat anchors.:)

cuervo
January 1, 2009, 05:43 PM
In the $200-$300 range, look for a Kel-Tec P11 or PF9. If you looked around, you could probably find a Witness in that range.

If a .380 will work, a Bersa falls in your price range.

I've heard nothing good about Jimenez since they bought out Jennnings. If you shoot it a lot to test it, be sure to wear safety glasses should the slide decide to keep going backwards.

-v-
January 1, 2009, 06:05 PM
My take is that it is not a good idea to bring this brand up on this board. I would say you would be much better served with a used police gun, or a surplus Makarov, or CZ82.

GRIZ22
January 1, 2009, 06:13 PM
does any one know a place near portland OR where I could get a good used 9mm, and for just turning 21 and my job as security (armed pulls in $15-$30 more) i wanted to buy and be proficient with my gun before I went for my armed license

You can get a Ruger 9mm (new) or used S&W 9mm for $300 or under. If you show up to get an armed guard position with a Jimenez I don't think you would be taken seriously.

xstuntman
January 1, 2009, 11:45 PM
A co-worker bought a Jim in .22 and once he polished the feedramp (painted over from the factory:eek:) it worked fine. I say give it try and post back. Mike

MachIVshooter
January 2, 2009, 12:03 AM
Lots of good used 9mm's in the ~$300 price range.

S&W 5900 series
Ruger P-series
Tanfoglio TZ-75 (Imported as Excam TA-90 or EAA Witness)
Beretta 9000

shiftyer1
January 2, 2009, 12:31 AM
I always buy cheap handguns. Mstly on a whim because of price. The ones I have been totally satisfied with are,
The hipoint in 9mm
The s&w sigma, and
The ruger p89 and I think it was a p95 also.

I had to sell the rugers sometime ago and although i've never considered them to be cheap because I love ruger some folks just seem to downgrade them.
The hipoint I sold at a considerable profit and i'm currently looking for another one. They're ugly but reliable and they have a great warrenty and also wonderful customer service. If you want super cheap and reliable they are the way to go. I've seen folks sell 99.9% condition hipoints for well under 100$.
Right now I have a sigma. I hated it for quit a while, mostly due to other peoples opinion. I recently have been spending some quality time with it and I have to say that I like it. It has a heavy trigger pull but no differnt from a double action revolver, but has been 100% reliable with the cheapest ammo I can find. Although I can't speak highly of smiths customer service, alot of people have had better luck then me with them so maybe my experience was an isolated case.

MostlyHarmless
January 2, 2009, 12:47 AM
I would not consider the Jimenez to be safe to carry for actual protection. They are SA with a manual safety. Even with the safety engaged they are not safe for carry with a round in the chamber. Since the operation of the Jimenez autos is quite different than that of most of the higher quality weapons suitable for carry or police work, I would not think that you would get much useful experience out of shooting one.

Among 9mm pistols, I would say that the Kel Tec P-11 and PF-9 are the best of the less expensive ones. There have been some reports of irregular build quality with Kel Tec's products, but their customer service is good so if you're willing to take a ~5% chance of getting something that may have to go back to the factory to be really right they might be a good choice for you.

The Bersa Thunder is a little more than $300, new, usually, but still might be worth considering.

mbt2001
January 2, 2009, 04:35 PM
The Jiminez / Lorcin / Byrco guns are not as bad as they are made out to be on this board. I do not know when it started, but some time a few years ago KNOWING about firearms / sports or what have you became expressed by how much someone DUMPED on certain brands / rounds / etc...

I will re-iterate, GLOCK was thought to be "plastic crap that will melt in your hand, jamomatics that looked ugly" when they first came out. I ain't saying that the JA-nine is like a Glock, but I am saying that 90% of the people that dump on them have never owned one.

The first one I bought jammed... I bought it used and was pissed about it. Thought they were crap. Well, for fun I put in a new extractor, extractor spring and pin then I stripped it and removed the burrs and all that. Works like a charm, no issue. What is the point, these guns are EASY to work on, parts are cheap 95% of the time you have a problem, you get some new parts and you are square. Jiminez has a REAL warranty that they stand behind and the service is better than average. Try changing an magazine release spring on a Smith auto vs a Lorcin and you will see what I mean.

Some of the people here may forget that the 1911 wasn't considered "reliable" until a gun smith had smoothed the action, polished the feed ramp and magazine well, removed the burrs, installed a new hammer and so on.

So again, listen to the people whose first instinct isn't to through the gun overboard like an anchor...

EDIT -

You people that are just dumping on these guns need to remember that you are buying the Anti-gun line. I don't like Black and Decker power tools, but when I don't have a lot of cash and need something that will work, I go to target and buy one... Guns and Power Tools are not a lot different, some times you have some cash and need something that works.

KBintheSLC
January 2, 2009, 05:12 PM
Guns and Power Tools are not a lot different

Except that you don't necessarily have to trust your drill with your life. If the drill breaks during use, you can just go buy another. If your gun breaks during "duty" use, you should pray that you survive to buy another.

That being said, I don't judge a gun on its price tag... I judge it on how it shoots. None of my guns are outlandishly expensive... all are under $600, but they all shoot reliably.

As for affordable 9mm's, I would look at Ruger and Kel-Tec.

mbt2001
January 2, 2009, 05:44 PM
Except that you don't necessarily have to trust your drill with your life.

I have said this 100 times now, but you are betting your life on a $0.05 primer and some $0.01 springs...

You buy a gun, you put 500 rounds through it, work out the kinks, get the feel of it and THEN you trust it with your life.

I didn't say that Jiminez is the Next KIMBER, I did say that they are not all that bad and most people either buy a used gun that is used up or improperly cared for (which can happen to any brand) or they don't wear them in. These guns have to get worn in.

:)

The power tool anecdote was more to put something into perspective, I do not tear out walls and rennovate my house with a black and decker, but I do hang paintings with it. I do not gear out for an incursion with my Lorcin, but I do carry it while walking my dog in the evening with my pepper spray.

IMTHDUKE
January 2, 2009, 06:58 PM
I don't think their as good as an HK....the name Jiminez would give me halt.

TimboKhan
January 2, 2009, 07:43 PM
I don't necessarily judge a gun by it's price tag, but that philosophy is only good to a point, and that point stops short of Jimenez. For the price range you suggest, there are plenty of good used guns around, and while I personally don't own a hi-point, there seem to be legions of satisfied owners around.

Listen, I firmly believe that you don't need to spend $1000.00 bucks on a gun. The idea that an expensive gun is somehow better than a less expensive one is just flat-out bull. On the other hand, you do need to pay some attention to what you are getting for the money that you do spend, and Jimenez simply does not inspire confidence on any level.

the name Jiminez would give me halt

Why? It's just a name. If you know the brand I can see why, but are you saying that if you knew nothing about the guns (which, incidentally, are light years away from being on par with the average HK...) you would be given pause simply by the name?

Big Bill
January 3, 2009, 03:17 AM
I have and old Bryco/Jennings .22 pocket pistol that has NEVER hiccuped - not even once. And, we have shot many rounds through it. I paid $79 for it about 7 years ago.

makarovnik
January 3, 2009, 05:45 AM
All mine have been accurate and reliable with FMJ.

The JA-Nine might be the least reliable of the bunch. The manufacturer's do recommend you use only certain brands of ammo that are FMJ and have a short overall length. I can't remember what that overall length is but if you can't find it on: www.bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com, you can contact the service department. They are nice and very helpful.

Don't believe the stories about them blowing your hand apart. The worst I've heard (firsthand) is a slide or firing pin breaking.

I would not however carry one with a round in the chamber. If you do and drop that puppy, it might go off.

I have a larger .380 that they don't make anymore and a J-22 and both have worked fine with hundreds of rounds through them. Mine are Bryco/Jennings models which are a little older.

chauncey
January 4, 2009, 01:13 AM
i'd recommend you try to find a police buyback revolver. they can be had in 38 special, and in the $200 range. if you want a decent auto, I'd scrape together another $100 or so and look for a used Sig P6, used S&W, or used Glock.

louie19
January 4, 2009, 06:32 PM
This thread is amusing because its the opposite of "why are guns so expensive" thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=416686). :)

My take: take it to the range and try a bunch of different ammo to see which one works the best. Once you find one that you can afford and feeds 100% reliably for 100 rounds, go with that and be happy. But before that and afterwards, make sure to clean and lube your gun.

hexidismal
January 4, 2009, 06:38 PM
does anyone know where i could get a GOOD 9mm for arond $200-$300?

I'm not sure about with current prices , but I have picked up used Taurus PT99s for $300. The older Pre-decocker models. Despite the Taurus reputation for bad quality control , the older PT92 and PT99 seems to be an exception to the rule for many knowledgeable and experienced gun owners. I've had nothing but good luck with mine. In fact , I've put one to the test against a Beretta 92 and the Taurus beat it all around.

I'm not a 9mm guy personally, but I've certainly used a lot of them, and I'd say that's the best 9mm you can get for $300.


As far as the Jimenez/Jennings is concerned .. I do have a Jennings J-22 that I picked up for $85 two years ago or so. It didn't jam when I tested it, but it did make a pattern about the size of a pie plate at 7 yards. internal inspection shows that just as some others have stated, the firing pin appears very malleable. It's a nice looking little conversation piece made of pot metal, but I sure as heck wouldn't trust it for self-defense.
The photo on the wikipedia entry for the Jennings J-22 is mine :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennings_J-22

Cannonball888
January 4, 2009, 09:55 PM
The only good thing about pot metal is that it doesn't rust.

earlthegoat2
January 5, 2009, 09:25 AM
Though they are ugly and heavy I have heard the do shoot good. They obviously skipped the refinement and went straight to production. They are in the same class as HiPoints I would say. They have the same price point and seem to function reliably. Tell your friend to shoot it before he decides its junk. If I didnt know a thing about cheap guns I would make that assumption as well.

Norinco982lover
January 5, 2009, 12:19 PM
My friend asked me about Jiminez guns yesterday (he was at the gunshow looking for a cheap handgun...I was at home watching football). I texted him telling him to feel free to ask me any questions about the different choices at the gunshow. He asked me about 3 specific guns...a Jiminez in 9mm a beat up CZ-82 and a Kel Tec pf9.

I googled the Jiminez as I was not that familiar with it and it was about as popular on google as a KU grad at a bar in Manhattan. I told him "bad!" and that was that. I told him the CZ would be decent but he might not want one firing that round and in that condition. I pointed out to him Kel Tec's great customer service and told him they would steer him right.

He bought the pf9. I'm sure it will work fine for him.

IMTHDUKE
January 5, 2009, 01:28 PM
Think you steered him right.

tju1973
January 5, 2009, 09:20 PM
Jennings/Jimenez pistols are not Glocks, but they don't claim to be. Out of the box they are usually not great shooters, but with some F&B they can be fun and reliable.Try http://bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com A good bunch of guys that can help you tame even the most troblesome SNS--


For the price I would lean towards a Hipoint--I still have a CF380 and also had a C9 (had to sell to pay bills)-- both were under $140 and shot perfectly--

Also try a CZ82 off one of the many websites that have them-- they are only 9mm Makarov (9X18 instead of 9X19), but they are good pistols that can be had for sometimes around $150...

Good luck!

:)

kwelz
January 5, 2009, 09:39 PM
Run away, get something quality. Hell you can find Sig P6s for under 300 bucks.

earlthegoat2
January 6, 2009, 12:33 AM
Azizza is right. Even though I am the last one to outrightly say cheap guns suck I would recommend something in the used market that may cost a little more but will in the end be a decision you can look back upon well.

Funderb
January 6, 2009, 12:40 AM
I had a jennings that shot fine every time.
Shoot first, decide later, it could be a POS, if it is, sell it to a pawn shop and invest in something better.
Some work, some dont.
As forrest gump said..
Box of chocolates, etc etc.

Cactus Jack Arizona
January 7, 2009, 02:57 AM
Experience is the best teacher. Since you've already purchased the gun, you might as well give it a try. Put a hundred or so rounds through it. If it works, great. If it doesn't, you can always trade it in on a better gun. I use the term "better gun" because "SNS's" are not really known to be reliable or accurate.

Golden Hound
January 7, 2009, 03:51 AM
For God's sake, if you're going to be an armed security guard, you do NOT want to skimp on quality! You need a weapon that at the very least is not the butt of a million gun jokes.

If your budget is really only three hundred dollars, consider a surplus CZ-82. They sell them on jgsales.com for less than 200 dollars. That is an actual military/police sidearm with a proven record in the field.

rfurtkamp
January 7, 2009, 09:38 AM
You people that are just dumping on these guns need to remember that you are buying the Anti-gun line. I don't like Black and Decker power tools, but when I don't have a lot of cash and need something that will work, I go to target and buy one... Guns and Power Tools are not a lot different, some times you have some cash and need something that works.


I've shot Jiminez (and their Jennings forefathers before them) guns.

If I was going to arm someone on the cheap, and they had to buy a new gun, I'd get them a Hi-Point every single time. Every single time, without question.

Don't get me wrong - get what you can afford, but there's a difference between buying the $10 power drill that *might* work through a project or spending a little bit more on even a starter model from someone else.

If I had a choice what to arm my attacker with in a factory new gun, it'd be a Jiminez/Jennings. I don't want a gun pointed at me, but if it had to be something - I want my attacker to have one of those.

ojibweindian
January 7, 2009, 09:54 AM
I have said this 100 times now, but you are betting your life on a $0.05 primer and some $0.01 springs...


Nope. I bet my life on a system that uses a $0.05 primer, $0.01 springs, and a lot of design testing, product testing, quality control, etc.

Misplaced Cowboy
January 7, 2009, 10:49 AM
Art's Grammaw sez, "Should have begun a new thread, and without all the spam-fluff."

cartwheelmon
February 16, 2009, 12:35 AM
"Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people...unless you really pistol wip the living crap out of them, or really beat them with the butt of the riffle, then guns kill people.":D

Anyone really know how to take down the JA 380? I have read about a button and needing a screwdriver and even a band saw, but how do you actually break it down?

And yes I know it is a P.O.S.. It was a (used) gift from a good friend, and a foot in the door to my tree huggin "I don't know about a gun in my house" wife. So I clean and fix the POS take her to the range and fire a few rounds. Jamb a few, and upgrade to the Glock 19 I have been wanting.

Thanks for any help.

jackstinson
February 16, 2009, 09:46 AM
Anyone really know how to take down the JA 380? I have read about a button and needing a screwdriver and even a band saw, but how do you actually break it down?
The Jimenez JA3800 is the current version of the Jennings M38. The slide is removed in the same manner as most of the Ring-Of-Fire pistols. I use a ball point pen as a 'tool".
FIRST: Make certain the gun is unloaded and remove the magazine.....
At the very rear of the slide is a take down button with a hole in it's center.
Push in on this hole with the ball point pen to depress the button.
While the button is pressed, lift up on the rear of the slide. This may require a "jiggle".
The slide will move forward off the barrel and recoil spring.
Release pressure on the button, then the firing pin spring and firing pin will come out of the slide.

I don't have the Jimenez manual, but go here for the Jennings/Bryco M38 manual (same innards):
http://weirdjack.com/guns/manuals/jennings_380.pdf
And parts diagram:
http://weirdjack.com/guns/diagrams/Bryco-M38.pdf

FWIW: Jimenez does have some of the best customer service around.
Jack

TIMC
February 16, 2009, 10:51 AM
The Jiminez / Lorcin / Byrco guns are not as bad as they are made out to be on this board. I do not know when it started, but some time a few years ago KNOWING about firearms / sports or what have you became expressed by how much someone DUMPED on certain brands / rounds / etc...

You people that are just dumping on these guns need to remember that you are buying the Anti-gun line. I don't like Black and Decker power tools, but when I don't have a lot of cash and need something that will work, I go to target and buy one... Guns and Power Tools are not a lot different, some times you have some cash and need something that works.

Have you ever owned one? I have owned a couple, still have a Bryco mod 59 in the safe that I would be happy to sell you if you like just make me an offer and sorry it hurts your feeling but....
THEY ARE JUNK!

Airman193SOS
February 16, 2009, 11:11 AM
As a general rule, you get what you pay for.

I understand that some people don't have piles of money sitting around for top-quality handguns, but nevertheless I would say that you should search a little harder for something with a better reputation and try to find a deal, or barring that save up a bit more and step up in class.

jackstinson
February 16, 2009, 11:31 AM
Have you ever owned one? I have owned a couple, still have a Bryco mod 59 in the safe that I would be happy to sell you if you like just make me an offer and sorry it hurts your feeling but....THEY ARE JUNK!
Not hurting my feelings, but blanket statements are always just.....well......blanket statements. ;)
I own and shoot many examples of ALL of the Ring-Of-Fire manufacturer's pistols (Along with dozens of what some people here view as the only "real hand guns"). I collect and shoot the red-headed stepchildren ZAMAK guns just for enjoyment.
So yes, I have shot one....hell, I shoot dozens regularly for giggles. Most will normally shoot well with their preferred ammo.
Unfortunately, the Jennings/Bryco Model 59 did not get the bugs worked out of their double-stack magazine. I have never been able to get my M59 to feed well. It is the magazine design at fault. The single stack Model 48 however, is quite different and a reliable design.
Not conjecture, not my guess from a Google search; just my personal observation of the many Jennings, Davis, Sedco, Sundance, Cobra, Lorcin, Phoenix, Hi-Point, etc guns which I own and shoot regularly for the enjoyment of shooting the pistols which a lot of folks dismiss offhand.
Jack

makarovnik
February 16, 2009, 10:36 PM
Use the correct non +P FMJ and keep it clean and lubed and it should work fine. It may not last thousands of rounds but it should go at least 1000.

The 9mm version in particular is picky about ammo. Use FMJ that is on the short side as far as overall length. It can't be a tight fit in the mag.

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