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floydster
January 1, 2009, 05:58 PM
Jan. 1st price increase, man I can't believe it and also out of stock.
After debating for a long time I was going to order a Loadmaster, but not with a $15 increase and the ridiclous shipping charge, I guess I'll just stick with my turret press.
Was thinking about a LNL but that went up $50 also, with the new E-Ject system.
But when one has limited funds as I do, it makes it tough.
Just venting some,sorry.
Floydster

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Redneck with a 40
January 1, 2009, 06:14 PM
Rainier bullets are up 10% across the board at Midwayusa. I'm done with them, rediculous shipping charges too. I can order bullets direct from Berry's, 165 grain plated, $99 delivered. This is $30 cheaper than Midway, $114 + shipping.:barf:

pinkymingeo
January 1, 2009, 06:19 PM
I only order odds and ends from Midway, these days. Prices too high, and shipping too dear. It's a shame, because they're great guys.

bearwolf
January 1, 2009, 11:08 PM
Midway has gone to $*?! as far as I'm concerned. Their shipping costs are completely over the top and your lucky to find 1 or 2 things out of 10 in stock. And now the big price increases especially when metal prices etc have taken a big drop. No thanks I'll stick with powder valley whose service, shipping, and in stock inventory puts midway to shame.

1858rem
January 1, 2009, 11:22 PM
i use midway cause even with standard shipping it only ever has taken like 3 days.... untill now anyhow.. still waiting on day 4, maybe since i ordered between so many holidays?:mad::confused:

GooseGestapo
January 1, 2009, 11:26 PM
re:midwayusa

DITTO

Now use Graf's.

Have always done business with MidSouth and Wideners.

I "canceled" a recent order from MidwayUSA. They sent a query as to why. I e-mailed them a copy of my invoice from Graf's.

They didn't reply back.......................

Walkalong
January 1, 2009, 11:57 PM
Rainier bullets are up 10% across the board at MidwayusaRaniers had already priced them selves out of contention with me, even before Midways annual price increase. Grafs is sometimes cheaper, for sure.

depoloni
January 2, 2009, 01:37 AM
I've been on official "screw midway" notice since about two weeks ago, and it's really too bad I didn't send them up the river with regards to my business earlier it would appear.

It's a free market, and good for them if they're making so much hand-over-fist money with the rush on everything guns since Barack Osama is on his way... but did ANYONE else notice they didn't offer their "christmas special" this year?

Every year I get an email from them at christmas that gives you a discount on most items for one order, to paraphrase "as a way of saying thanks to our valued customer at this holiday time".

Sorry that the economy is generally tougher and tighter on people than it's been in a long time. Sorry DESPITE it that the rush on guns and gun products is through the roof. And especially grateful to MidwayUSA, given that times are tough for most of us and their business is booming, that they felt it would be inappropriate to extend the offer to us again this year.

$%^* MidwayUSA - irks me that I dropped 1836.00 there in 2008. Grafs and MidSouth will happily take on my business instead.

rockhound758
January 2, 2009, 01:47 AM
It's a free market, so hats off to Midway if they can make money, but I'm one more person that won't use them...their shipping prices are absurd and other prices are only competitive at best in many areas (got some XTP from Cabelas recently that were quite a bit lower than Midway). They must be doing okay to turn away a lot of business like they are.

Bush Pilot
January 2, 2009, 01:51 AM
I haven't ordered a dimes worth of merchandise from Midway in years, no intention of changing. It's nice to see a company put the screws to their customers when they got the opportunity, do you think they'd be acting like this if times were tough for them?

Runningman
January 2, 2009, 02:32 AM
I rarely use midway these days. Even before the current events they rarely had anything I needed in stock. + Premium prices + Premium $$ S&H cost. Graf & Sons gets most of my business these days.

ljnowell
January 2, 2009, 03:07 AM
I rarely use midway these days. Even before the current events they rarely had anything I needed in stock. + Premium prices + Premium $$ S&H cost. Graf & Sons gets most of my business these days.

I ordered a lee single stage press, lee carbide dies, a powder funnel, reloading tray, plastic ammo box, lee autoprime shellholder, and 100 ranier plated bullets all from midway. I selected the exact same items from Graf and it was going to be 12 dollars more, including midways shipping charges. Everything cost 10% or more roughly from Grafs. I dont think their free shipping is very free. On the other hand I only paid 10 dollars for USPS priority shipping from midway. I really dont feel as though I was gouged at all.

ljnowell
January 2, 2009, 03:08 AM
.......

qajaq59
January 2, 2009, 06:32 AM
I can't really complain about Midway's prices. Mainly because every time I want to buy something from them, they're Out Of Stock. Consequently I never get to spend any money there.

redw7blue
January 2, 2009, 08:48 AM
I stopped using midway about two years ago. Just was not happy with everything. Been using Wideners, top brass and a couple of others for my loading needs. Could not be happier with them.

Galil5.56
January 2, 2009, 09:06 AM
Even when Midway had free shipping, it was hardly free when you looked at the price for the item. Nice marketing ploy, especially prior to widespread Internet access for hyper price checking with a few clicks. I'm looking at a flyer from 1/97, and Sierra 6mm 85 HPBT were $14.49, Lee scale $24.99, Lee RGB dies $14.79... I remember when they went to customer paid shipping, and all the apologies they gave, and how they were loosing $$$ on shipping.

jcwit
January 2, 2009, 01:41 PM
It wasn't cheap supporting all those shooting showes on TV in 2008.

jhansman
January 2, 2009, 05:35 PM
All you disguntled, former Midway shoppers can email Larry Potterfield via the site and let him know just how unhappy you are. I have done so a couple of times, and he has replied each time. Once was about the lack of USPS 1st class shipping, and it is now available for smaller packages. Let him know.

ljnowell
January 2, 2009, 08:20 PM
Well, placed an order tuesday, for a lee press, dies, powder funnel, shell holder for autoprime, and a reloading tray. As said above, after shipping it was still cheaper than grafs "free shipping goods" ( that really arent). I paid 10.45 shipping for USPS and was told that it would be here by the 5th. It showed up today with all items in the box. No complaints from me.

Redneck with a 40
January 3, 2009, 11:01 AM
I just sent Larry Potterfield an e-mail, I won't be buying any more bullets from him, or his company. I can buy direct from Berry's, $99/1000 for 165 grain 40 S&W delivered.:)

wuchak
January 3, 2009, 01:21 PM
I bought all my reloading stuff from Miday when I first started about 6 years ago. Since then I have bought some things here and there. I have always been pleased with their selection and the service was always great.

Fast forward to 3 days ago. I wanted to get the Trigger Job DVD by Jerry Miculek. Even with the ridiculous $8.93 shipping charge for single DVD it was still just barely cheaper than Amazon. Then I notice an extra $3 special handling charge being added to the Midway total. So I scroll down and see the following:

"†MidwayUSA attempts to keep our costs as low as possible so we can give our Customers the best pricing in the industry. Since we will accept any size order, there is a Special Handling Charge of $3.00 for all retail product orders under $25.00 and $4.00 for all dealer product orders under $40.00 to offset the additional costs associated with handling orders under these amounts."

I was reminded of a line from The Outlaw Jose Wales, "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin' ".

I ordered from Amazon.

I'm done with Midway. $12.93 shipping and handling for a single DVD is not just absurd, it's insulting to my intelligence.

I don't know who Larry is listening to over there but he needs to do some serious house cleaning in the management. They are doing nothing but squandering all the good-will the company has built up with customers over the years and running the enterprise into the ground.

3wide
January 3, 2009, 01:39 PM
I'm fed up with everything being out of stock.

ilbob
January 3, 2009, 01:40 PM
I have to admit I also wonder what the thinking is there of late. When they changed their policy of "free" shipping I sort of expected they would reduce the prices of their stuff to accommodate for charging for shipping, but I never really noticed any general lowering of prices.

I think everyone understands that shipping costs money, so it has to be paid for either directly or buried in the price of the products.

Maybe he is on his way to retirement and allowing underlings to do his thinking for him. Or maybe paying for Wednesday night TV is costing so much he has to raise prices to afford it.

I don't see anything good coming out of aggravating his long term customers with constant out of stock and high shipping prices.

Galil5.56
January 3, 2009, 01:56 PM
I wish they would quit sending out that damn master catalog... My God, how much does it cost to ship that thing? I'll ask them to hold my copy if they would reduce my shipping charges... Yeah right.

pbearperry
January 3, 2009, 02:20 PM
I never understood why I would want to pay more for Ranier bullets when they can only be loaded the same as lead bullets but cost more?

ljnowell
January 3, 2009, 02:51 PM
I never understood why I would want to pay more for Ranier bullets when they can only be loaded the same as lead bullets but cost more?

Sometimes you cant shoot lead, as in the case of a glock.

jimmyraythomason
January 3, 2009, 03:01 PM
I'm a happy customer of MidwayUSA. They were a big relief on the pocketbook when I discovered them. I had been buying gunsmithing tools and supplies from Brownell's at much higher costs than Midway. I think Brownell's only lowered their prices and EXTREME shipping fees because of competion from Midway.

ljnowell
January 3, 2009, 03:20 PM
I'm a happy customer of MidwayUSA. They were a big relief on the pocketbook when I discovered them. I had been buying gunsmithing tools and supplies from Brownell's at much higher costs than Midway. I think Brownell's only lowered their prices and EXTREME shipping fees because of competion from Midway.

I always hear bad things about midway, but I never experience it. I paid 10 dollars shipping to ship a press, dies, bullets, funnel, a reloading tray, plastic ammo boxes, etc.

Then i always hear great things about others such as grafs because of their "free" shipping. I like to put together an entire order and then compare total prices. Midway was cheaper for me both times I have placed an order.

ilbob
January 3, 2009, 03:31 PM
Then i always hear great things about others such as grafs because of their "free" shipping. I like to put together an entire order and then compare total prices. Midway was cheaper for me both times I have placed an order.
Of late my problem with trying to order from Midway is I want to order three or four things and they are out of stock on one or more. If you B/O them, you get charged for shipping again.

I understand everyone has trouble with stock right now, but it is getting so you can't hardly order anything anywhere.

As for bullets, I have found a local caster who does lead bullets for less then any place I have found online and no shipping fees becaseu I can pick them up.

The other aggravation is that it does not appear that they have a good handle on when they will get more product. I have had some stuff on B/O for almost a month and every week it just slides out another week.

flying
January 3, 2009, 03:45 PM
I just did a order with Midway. Same as they were many years ago.
Very efficient & prices were pretty good too. I cannot complain.
My first orders with them were before internet days & they were very reliable even back then. But now with the internet it is pretty amazing how they follow up.
Graf has been very good to deal with too. But the free shipping does not extend to non 48 states so the price is a bit high for me.
What I do not understand is if they give free shipping should we get at least the price of shipping to the east or west coast off the shipping?

ssjones
January 3, 2009, 05:13 PM
I just ordered the "Compact Range Bag" from Midway. $10.57 to ship, didn't seem bad considering Kickin A Packs charged me $13.18 to ship a much smaller bag to me. Midway's website said the bag was on sale for $23.99. I tried to order on the web and the price kept showing up as $39.99. I called on Friday and the operator said the sale ended on 12/31. I told her it was still on the website at $23.99 and she honored that price (but quickly took down that part of the web page). I didn't know about Graf's at the time, their "Shooters Ridge" bags look pretty similar to the Midway bags.

Jumping Frog
January 3, 2009, 07:09 PM
I never understood why I would want to pay more for Ranier bullets when they can only be loaded the same as lead bullets but cost more?
Sometimes you cant shoot lead, as in the case of a glock.
I also am seeing more and more indoor ranges banning lead bullets.

SSN Vet
January 3, 2009, 10:46 PM
I shop...

I compare.....

and I order....

More times than not, Midway gets my order

CU74
January 3, 2009, 11:14 PM
My process is the same as SSN Vet's, and I wind up going with Midway often. Over the past year most of my orders have been from Midway, Graf, Widener's and Oregon Trail. I keep a 'want list' and regularly check those and a few other sites. Buying on sale and/or in bulk often results in substantial savings.

Mr. Chitlin
January 3, 2009, 11:31 PM
I shop...

I compare.....

and I order....

More times than not, Midway gets my order


That's been my experience too.

The only time I ordered from Graf's, I called them. They added an exrta few bucks charge for taking the order over the phone, then the order was wrong when it arrived.

coyotehitman
January 3, 2009, 11:48 PM
and your lucky to find 1 or 2 things out of 10 in stock.

I'm fed up with everything being out of stock.

I tried to place an order the other day, 9 of 14 items were out of stock. Sorry Midway--this has happened 6 times in the past year and a half--I'll look elsewhere too.

"†MidwayUSA attempts to keep our costs as low as possible so we can give our Customers the best pricing in the industry. Since we will accept any size order, there is a Special Handling Charge of $3.00 for all retail product orders under $25.00 and $4.00 for all dealer product orders under $40.00 to offset the additional costs associated with handling orders under these amounts."

They are racking up a fortune in fees by shipping low cost backordered items with this strategy.

flynlr
January 4, 2009, 03:40 AM
I stopped buying reloading supplies at midway. the costs just became too much. shipping+hazmat+cost of material .
wideners and grafs offered much better deals in 2008.
I have been using midway only 2 years and I just added up every invoice over that time

I should not have done that.:cuss:

mr.243
January 4, 2009, 03:49 AM
i still enjoy the mass amount of emails from them screaming 95% OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yellow paperclips. i bet mcguyver sure loves their random 95 percent off junk sales.

41 Mag
January 4, 2009, 07:36 AM
Can't complain much. I shop things out as well and have found once everything is added up Midway generally gets the nod. I order stuff from a LOT of places and I do shop the best prices. However when ordering several items and only one of them is lower in price it's hard to say you realize a substantial saving.

I orderd some Oregon Trial bullets which were not in stock anywhere else but Midway. The order had several boxes of 500 in it. When it arrived, the side of the shipping box was torn open, as well as a couple of the boxes of bullets had bursted. I called them up with the news that one of them wasn't the full 500ct, and within three days I had a full box of bullets sitting on the door step no charge.

I do admit that on some things they have higher prices including shipping. As for out of stock items I generally just put them into the Wish List and check on them once a week or so. If it is out of stock they generally put an expected date below the item or order number that gives you an idea of when it may be in stock.

dmproske
January 4, 2009, 03:33 PM
Everytime I place a online order I look at midway, grafs and midsouth. The total is always within a few bucks on all 3 places.

Yes midway will get you with shipping if you place a small order. I try to consolidate my orders and save quite a bit that way. Right before christmas I placed a HUGE order and paid the same amount as if I had bought a few items, and got it in a few days. Can't complain.

Midway gets it there the quickest and with the least amount of fuss for me. Grafs ALWAYS requires a signature on delivery. Thats a problem for me as I work nights and am usually passed out and miss the fedex truck. Midway will allow them to leave my package on the porch which in my situation I prefer.

All places are out of stock on a lot of stuff right now. Not just Midway. What does concern me is that Midway is closing out alot of items that don't sell well. Maybe they are looking at the future and preparing for the hard economic times that may be coming. It does cost money to keep items in stock that are not selling.

Galil5.56
January 4, 2009, 05:45 PM
Saw in the latest flyer Rem bulk bag 9mm 115 FMJ's $14.99/100, 124 FMJ $15.79/100... INSANE! These prices are more than boxed Hornady XTP's. Stop the madness Remington. Looks like the CED ProChrono digital chronograph is up to $106.99... Happy new year!

flying
January 4, 2009, 09:48 PM
Saw in the latest flyer Rem bulk bag 9mm 115 FMJ's $14.99/100, 124 FMJ $15.79/100... INSANE! These prices are more than boxed Hornady XTP's.

Not sure I follow?
If I buy 400 of those bullets it is about $60 bucks
1 pound of powder say 18 bucks will load 400 rounds roughly using AA#2 @ 4 grains
15 bucks for primers & I have 400 rounds for less than $100 bucks,
Yes I did not include bras since we are reloading

But to buy 400 rounds of XTP isn't that about $16.50 a box of 25?
So roughly 264 for 400 rounds.

ar10
January 4, 2009, 10:07 PM
Can't say they're good or bad because I just never ordered that much from them. I will say I did luck out just before Christmas. They had a Forstner's drill press mounting plate that I had been looking for, one one else had one. I also ordered two extra bits as well. I didn't pay that much attention to the shipping, I needed on pretty pretty bad. (over a thousand .308's needed trimming). I got the order in two days. :)

Galil5.56
January 4, 2009, 10:16 PM
My point was not the cost of XTP bullets, it was the cost of bulk REM FMJ bullets compared to Premium XTP's... These same Rem FMJ's are used in cheapie UMC ammo.

I know there are a lot of factors that come into play lately, but it was not that long ago these same bullets were about $5.99-$6.99/100, and in the same flyer, Winchester 115 FMJ's are $4 less/100. XTP's have not gone up anywhere near the rate of these Rems, and their cost is ridiculous and baffling?

BoltOperated
January 4, 2009, 10:24 PM
"Shop, compare, order..." yes, I couldn't agree more but Widener's usually ends up winning that one.

NOTHING is free. Anyone offering "free shipping" is padding their prices. If the net result is acceptable, so be it - I welcome the convenience of calculating the final price paid. As far as I've seen these past several months, Midway is over-the-top on shipping charges.

I have to say, Widener's is getting a bit expensive on shipping as well but I just placed another order with them last week.

flying
January 4, 2009, 10:35 PM
I see what you mean now Galil
Yes that is a big hike

jjohnson
January 4, 2009, 10:59 PM
Oh, MAN,:what: you pegged my "BS Meter!" :barf:

You nailed several of my pet peeves in the entirety of shootingdom.:mad:

Midway's being out of stock and nailing you for shipping when they get the one widget that you ordered with a pallet of something else, so you pay twice :fire:

Ranier being so far out of line (as, compared to Berry's or honest-to-God jacketed ammo from PRVI, MagTech, or IMI) that I refuse to pay the highway robbery prices for their products :cuss:

And.... What? PRICE increases when we know that prices for lead, copper, and other constituents of bullet manufacture have tanked along with the economy?:banghead:

You gotta be kidding me.

I am NOT going to bail out Midway or Ranier. :scrutiny: I don't have anything left after bailing out the banks, insurance companies, and auto manufacturers. :eek:

You guys can find me hanging out with the Cast Boolits guys. :uhoh: I'm gonna cast my own.

ljnowell
January 5, 2009, 01:17 AM
You guys can find me hanging out with the Cast Boolits guys. I'm gonna cast my own.

Sounds good, now if I could only cast FMJ for my glock. Here in a few weeks I am going to order me a lone wolf barrel for my glock so that lead wont be an issue anymore. Then lead here I come!

hotwheelz
January 5, 2009, 05:52 AM
jjohnson Oh, MAN, you pegged my "BS Meter!"

You nailed several of my pet peeves in the entirety of shootingdom.

Midway's being out of stock and nailing you for shipping when they get the one widget that you ordered with a pallet of something else, so you pay twice

Ranier being so far out of line (as, compared to Berry's or honest-to-God jacketed ammo from PRVI, MagTech, or IMI) that I refuse to pay the highway robbery prices for their products

And.... What? PRICE increases when we know that prices for lead, copper, and other constituents of bullet manufacture have tanked along with the economy?

You gotta be kidding me.

I am NOT going to bail out Midway or Ranier. I don't have anything left after bailing out the banks, insurance companies, and auto manufacturers.

You guys can find me hanging out with the Cast Boolits guys. I'm gonna cast my own.


Glad to have you casting with the rest of us

Im local to Rainier I called before Christmas they said to wait on my order that after the new year prices would drop I havent checked in with them yet. just relalize your paying someone elses prices not what Rainier has set.

Maybe with the high cost of ammo these days there are alot of people who have been willing to buy ammo now decideing to load there own and it causing major problems for retailers to kep everything in stock. I think its crap that they want to double charge you on shipping it would be better if they didnt except back orders in my opinion....

JM2C

qajaq59
January 5, 2009, 06:21 AM
I tried one back order a few years back, but I wont do it again. It turned out that it was on order for better then 2 months and then they wanted a higher price because the sale was over. I said they could either honor the original price or just cancel it . They honored it, but it was the end of my doing the back order routine.

parrothead2581
January 8, 2009, 06:30 PM
Their ammunition prices have skyrocketed. I certainly don't order that from them anymore. $14.49 for a box of 50 9mm WWB? That's on par with Gander Mtn. prices.

Metal prices have certainly dropped, but supply, and demand has changed since the election. They certainly seem to be taking advantage of it.

However, many of their items are still cheaper than Brownells (I have never seen them have a sale), and I can get them at the USPS 1st class shipping rate. I don't reload, so buying primers, powder, etc, etc won't drive up my cost.

Most of the time I order from them, I wait for one of the "nearly everything is discounted" specials. I too noticed they skipped that this past Christmas. I save several bucks that way as well.


Fast forward to 3 days ago. I wanted to get the Trigger Job DVD by Jerry Miculek. Even with the ridiculous $8.93 shipping charge for single DVD it was still just barely cheaper than Amazon. Then I notice an extra $3 special handling charge being added to the Midway total. So I scroll down and see the following:

Can you post links to that video? The one I found at Midway was $26.99 and S&H was $3.37 for USPS 1st class (I get items first class within 3-4 days). There should not be an additional $3 fee for that DVD, at least the Miculek Action job DVD I saw.

I could not find a copy on Amazon.

Guinny_Ire
January 8, 2009, 06:46 PM
There's the possibility that they are gouging (the manufacturers). There is also the possibility the bullets currently in inventory were manufactured at higher cost due to the rocketing costs metals were going at during the 1st part of the year. That should be considered.

Gage
January 8, 2009, 09:22 PM
I got the Midway sales flyer on Monday, January 5th. On the cover there are DPMS parts. I called right away and checked the website and none of them are in stock and no back orders are being taken.

It was just a teaser, IMHO. I am not looking to buy something else just because they "offered" something I needed. Screw them. :neener:

1858
January 9, 2009, 02:40 AM
I use MidwayUSA a lot and they didn't screw up any of the 32 orders that I placed in 2008 ... I thought that was impressive. I've never been sent a used, broken or incorrect item from them. I find their prices competitive but admit that their shipping costs are high but that's because they don't use the USPS flat rate boxes that many bullet manufactures are using (not sure why). You can ship 70lb anywhere in the US for $9.95 using a flat rate box. However, I've found that Midway shipping is fairly fast taking about 5 days from when I actually place the order. I generally add small but expensive items to a bulky or heavy item to reduce the shipping to item cost ratio.

I was recently slammed for daring to complain about the cost of Sierra Bullets. I was accused of whining (by the honorable Art Eatman and others) and told to buy other brands and quit complaining. Interesting that all of the complaints about Midway are just fine. I guess the administrator will be along any minute now ... :rolleyes:

depoloni
January 9, 2009, 12:40 PM
Sierra's bullet pricing being what it is regardless, I'd say that the cost of Sierras at MidwayUSA is generally higher by a good bit (esp. with shipping) when compared to Natchez or MidSouth, to name a few.

So a Sierra at whatever cost TO midway is certainly more costly than many competitors coming OUT of midway no matter what sierra is charging everyone. Whether Sierra is charging 10 bucks a box or 100 bucks, Midway has jacked the price up more than others above "factory cost" - or they have a bad buying agent.

I actually love sierras. Matchkings through Prohunters, when it comes to rifle bullets ONLY hornady is any cheaper, if at all. Especially when quality is factored in. Speers, Bergers, Noslers.... not opening up that can of worms again (sorry) but with prices being jacked up by everyone they're still some of the cheapest so long as you're not buying pistol bullets :)

Hope they stay in business though, off of other people's wallets... they're a great place to read all about the products and reviews, before buying from other people.

Varmonter
January 13, 2009, 11:25 PM
i just did a price check at grafs 31.09 for 100 40 sw win unprimed brass.
I just bought 100 loaded ammo wwb at sprawlmart for 28 bucks???
Isn't that the same brass??

Varmonter
January 13, 2009, 11:31 PM
ok so i entered this post twice by mistake How do i delete it??:o

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