[tyme]

Aff. Action bake sale at SMU shut down due to "hostile environment"
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-bake-sale-protest,0,5768770,print.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines

Texas University Shuts Down Bake Sale

By Associated Press

September 24, 2003, 11:17 PM EDT

DALLAS -- Southern Methodist University shut down a bake sale Wednesday in which cookies were offered for sale at different prices, depending on the buyer's race or gender.

The sale was organized by the Young Conservatives of Texas, who said it was intended as a protest of affirmative action.

A sign said white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. The price was 75 cents for white women, 50 cents for Hispanics and 25 cents for blacks.

Members of the conservative group said they meant no offense and were only trying to protest the use of race or gender as a factor in college admissions.

Similar sales have been held by College Republican chapters at colleges in at least five other states since February.

A black student filed a complaint with SMU, saying the sale was offensive. SMU officials said they halted the event after 45 minutes because it created a potentially unsafe situation.

"This was not an issue about free speech," Tim Moore, director of the SMU student center, said in a story for Thursday's edition of The Dallas Morning News. "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created."

The sale drew a crowd outside the student center and several students engaged in a shouting match, Moore said.

David C. Rushing, 23, a law student and chairman of Young Conservatives of Texas at SMU and for the state, said the event didn't get out of hand. At most, a dozen students gathered around the table of cookies and Rice Krispies treats, he said.

"We copied what's been done at multiple campuses around the country to illustrate our opinion of affirmative action and how we think it's unfair," he said.

Matt Houston, a 19-year-old sophomore, called the group's price list offensive.

"My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

The group sold three cookies during its protest, raising $1.50.

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled universities could use race as a factor in admissions under limited conditions. In Texas, universities had been banned from using race as a factor under a 1996 decision by a lower court.

[jimpeel]

A black student filed a complaint with SMU, saying the sale was offensive.Sounds like he got the point.

[Skunkabilly]

A sign said white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. The price was 75 cents for white women, 50 cents for Hispanics and 25 cents for blacks.

Sounds like it's free for AzNs!!! :D :D :D

I got an idea...for you people who are Sicilian, Irish or English, for your race, put 'Atlantic Islander' and see if it gets you places :)

[jsalcedo]

A black student filed a complaint with SMU, saying the sale was offensive.

I'm sure he also bought $1.50 worth of 25 cent cookies.

:evil: :evil: :neener:

[gun-fucious]

cool! a new affirmative action SAT question:

If the sign said white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. The price was 75 cents for white women, 50 cents for Hispanics and 25 cents for blacks.

AND

The group sold three cookies during its protest, raising $1.50

who bought cookies?

[Brian Dale]

Looks like either:

1 cookie to white male and 2 cookies to black student(s);

1 cookie to white female, 1 cookie to hispanic and 1 cookie to black student; or

3 cookies to hispanic student(s).

"This was not an issue about free speech," Tim Moore, director of the SMU student center, said in a story for Thursday's edition of The Dallas Morning News.
It's nothing BUT an issue of free speech, Mr. Moore. You just failed the test. Hmmm - Moore... That name sounds familiar, somehow. Oh, that was Michael. Never mind. :evil:

In related news, the AzN Students' Association's attorney, a Mr Skunkabilly, of Orange Co., Tactifornia, filed for a Cease & Desist order to bar the YCs from eating all of the cookies before they could stop by to pick them up. :p


{Note to self: Gotta find a way to use "Atlantic Islander/multi-ethnic" on a form someplace...}

[greyhound]

"They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."


Huh?:confused:

[seeker_two]

quote:
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A sign said white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. The price was 75 cents for white women, 50 cents for Hispanics and 25 cents for blacks.
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Sounds like it's free for AzNs!!!


For Asian tactical banjo players, I think it's free cookies for life & a date w/ the Homecoming Queen...:D

[hillbilly]

My favorite is this one:

Matt Houston, a 19-year-old sophomore, called the group's price list offensive.

"My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that
affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain
organization."



All animals are equal and some animals are more equal......

War is peace........peace is war.......

four legs good, two legs better.......

hillbilly

[tyme]

grayhound, I think the point was that by having a similar scheme for college admissions, the college gains "diversity" (whatever that is), which improves the educational atmosphere.

In defense of the bakesale, I'd argue that by having a graduated price list, the distribution of cookie eaters on campus gains diversity, and that is a worthy goal. :)

[KC]

From Newsday.com (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-bake-sale-protest,0,5768770,print.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines).
____________
Texas University Shuts Down Bake Sale

By Associated Press

September 24, 2003, 11:17 PM EDT

DALLAS -- Southern Methodist University shut down a bake sale Wednesday in which cookies were offered for sale at different prices, depending on the buyer's race or gender.

The sale was organized by the Young Conservatives of Texas, who said it was intended as a protest of affirmative action.

A sign said white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. The price was 75 cents for white women, 50 cents for Hispanics and 25 cents for blacks.

Members of the conservative group said they meant no offense and were only trying to protest the use of race or gender as a factor in college admissions.

Similar sales have been held by College Republican chapters at colleges in at least five other states since February.

A black student filed a complaint with SMU, saying the sale was offensive. SMU officials said they halted the event after 45 minutes because it created a potentially unsafe situation.

"This was not an issue about free speech," Tim Moore, director of the SMU student center, said in a story for Thursday's edition of The Dallas Morning News. "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created."

The sale drew a crowd outside the student center and several students engaged in a shouting match, Moore said.

David C. Rushing, 23, a law student and chairman of Young Conservatives of Texas at SMU and for the state, said the event didn't get out of hand. At most, a dozen students gathered around the table of cookies and Rice Krispies treats, he said.

"We copied what's been done at multiple campuses around the country to illustrate our opinion of affirmative action and how we think it's unfair," he said.

Matt Houston, a 19-year-old sophomore, called the group's price list offensive.

"My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

The group sold three cookies during its protest, raising $1.50.

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled universities could use race as a factor in admissions under limited conditions. In Texas, universities had been banned from using race as a factor under a 1996 decision by a lower court.
Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press
__________________________________

I'm not sure about the original stunt, but the reactions are certainly illuminating.

[xenophon]

"A sign said white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. The price was 75 cents for white women, 50 cents for Hispanics and 25 cents for blacks."
...
"The group sold three cookies during its protest, raising $1.50"


Guess hispanics where their only customer eh? Not unless there was 1 cookie to a white male and 2 cookies to black male, hrrrm.

[BrokenPaw]

Article (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-bake-sale-protest,0,5768770,print.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines)

Texas University Shuts Down Bake Sale




By Associated Press

September 24, 2003, 11:17 PM EDT

DALLAS -- Southern Methodist University shut down a bake sale Wednesday in which cookies were offered for sale at different prices, depending on the buyer's race or gender.

The sale was organized by the Young Conservatives of Texas, who said it was intended as a protest of affirmative action.

A sign said white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. The price was 75 cents for white women, 50 cents for Hispanics and 25 cents for blacks.

Members of the conservative group said they meant no offense and were only trying to protest the use of race or gender as a factor in college admissions.

Similar sales have been held by College Republican chapters at colleges in at least five other states since February.

A black student filed a complaint with SMU, saying the sale was offensive. SMU officials said they halted the event after 45 minutes because it created a potentially unsafe situation.

"This was not an issue about free speech," Tim Moore, director of the SMU student center, said in a story for Thursday's edition of The Dallas Morning News. "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created."[emphasis added]

The sale drew a crowd outside the student center and several students engaged in a shouting match, Moore said.

David C. Rushing, 23, a law student and chairman of Young Conservatives of Texas at SMU and for the state, said the event didn't get out of hand. At most, a dozen students gathered around the table of cookies and Rice Krispies treats, he said.

"We copied what's been done at multiple campuses around the country to illustrate our opinion of affirmative action and how we think it's unfair," he said.

Matt Houston, a 19-year-old sophomore, called the group's price list offensive.

"My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

The group sold three cookies during its protest, raising $1.50.

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled universities could use race as a factor in admissions under limited conditions. In Texas, universities had been banned from using race as a factor under a 1996 decision by a lower court.
Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press
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It's not about free speech. It's about shutting students up when they say something that other people don't like. :rolleyes:

Oh, yes. And Affirmative Action is not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization. If it's not based on race, then what do they consider as the criterion for a "diverse community"? Apparently "diversity of views" didn't make the cut.

-BP

[BrokenPaw]

Guess hispanics where their only customer eh? Not unless there was 1 cookie to a white male and 2 cookies to black male, hrrrm.Xenophon, you really shouldn't be applying oppressive arithmetic principles to this question. Simple addition doesn't take into account how the poor downtrodden cookies felt about being sold.

-BP, in a cynical mood for some reason this morning.

[Ukraine Train]

"They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

Lay down the crackpipe, son.:rolleyes:

[rock jock]

"This was not an issue about free speech," Tim Moore, director of the SMU student center, said in a story for Thursday's edition of The Dallas Morning News. "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created."
Two observations:

1. If this were true, it was only because the protestors could not control their violent tendencies, thereby reinforcing their racial stereotypes.

2. It is the job of the university to ensure that a safe environment exists for the free exchange of ideas. Their decision not to follow through on this obligation effectively means they sided with the protestors and used this as a convenient excuse to silence the conservatives. So much for free speech in higher education.

[cordex]

2. It is the job of the university to ensure that a safe environment exists for the free exchange of ideas. Their decision not to follow through on this obligation effectively means they sided with the protestors and used this as a convenient excuse to silence the conservatives. So much for free speech in higher education
But they are setting a precedent.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if this Young Conservatives group were to gather around an event held by another group with whom they disagreed and engaged them in a shouting match. Would the University close down the "offending" event or drag the YCs away?

[Quartus]

"They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."





This is scary stuff. He actually BELIEVES THIS!


And he'll VOTE!!!!



Want an even SCARIER scenario? This idiot, or someone like him, could sit on a Federal bench some day!


:what:

[TallPine]

Well, you get what you pay for.

I bet them $1.00 cookies tasted better than the $0.25 ones.

:D

[LostOneToo]

Anyone know if they took foodstamps????:what:

[Brian Dale]

Duplicate thread. Please see:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=505711

Please merge threads.

[LostOneToo]

It was a rip-off anyway; they wouldn't take my foodstamps!!!

[nemesis]

I think it's appropriate that the privileged Honkies had to pay but the minorities should have their cookies paid for by the government. That's diversity!

[Standing Wolf]

"This was not an issue about free speech"

I have no idea how leftist extremists live with themselves. If I were to tell such a blatant, blatantly stupid lie, I'd hide under the bed for the rest of my life.

[Brian Dale]

Hello Mods?

This sure looks like a duplicate thread. Please see both

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41692

and

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41850

Thanks.

[2dogs]

Hey, maybe we could have a RKBA bake sale- cookies shaped like Glocks, Berettas, "assault rifles".

The BATF/Cookie Monsters would no doubt not take kindly to it though.

Brady Boobs and Million Moron Marchers would want the cookies killed for the sake of the children- no telling what damage to the unformed mind of a 4 year old would be caused by eating a chocolate chip AK, or a butter Beretta, or a .50 caliber coconut cookie.:uhoh: :eek:

[tiberius]

Hey, maybe we could have a RKBA bake sale

Only the police would be allowed to buy the really good cookies and the ones with more than 10 chocolate chips. :)

[Brian Dale]

tiberius wins!
:D :neener: :D :neener: :D

and Chuck Schumer would start pushing for "common-sense regulations" (a ban) on flour and measuring cups.

[KC]

SMU's official response (as seen here (http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110004073))
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Following is a clarification of an incident leading to media reports portraying the matter as an issue of free speech at SMU.

On September 23, University officials received complaints from several students, concerned that a bake sale had been set up outside the Student Center with different prices for baked goods based on race and gender. At the request of the concerned students, a University official visited the site and determined that a volatile situation had been created and that the event should end in the interest of student safety. The sponsoring group, the Young Conservatives of Texas, had received permission to set up a bake sale, but failed to inform University officials of the true purpose of the event.

SMU has a designated debate area on campus for students to set up tables with information on various political issues, available to all student organizations. It is a violation of the University's nondiscrimination policy to sell goods at different prices based on race, ethnicity, or gender; however, signage expressing political points of view is a matter of free speech consistent with University policy.

SMU has a long tradition of encouraging open debate and considers such dialogue central to its academic mission. An open forum on affirmative action had already been planned for October 8 at SMU, and the Young Conservatives of Texas will have an opportunity to express their point of view, along with other students. They will also have the opportunity to set up a table with signage in the designated campus debate area, but may not engage in discriminatory practices through the sale of goods priced according to race, ethnicity or gender.
__________________________

Oh, so it is acceptable University policy for the University to engage in discriminatory practices, but not the students?

[scottgun]

Some of the offerings at the RKBA bake sale would be:

Sigur cookies
Peanutberetta cookies
Grendelola bars

and everyone's favorite:
Glockolate chip cookies :D

[MPFreeman]

This was not about race? PAH-leeze.

Affirmative Apartheid is about the legalization of racism.