[Freezebyte]

Can you actually buy this stuff? Sign me up for 9mm!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYigC49tnh8&feature=related

EDIT: Try it now

[General Geoff]

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[JWarren]

Is this even real/legal?




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I'm guessing "No."


-- John

[average_shooter]

It's an ad for Barnes' "Varmint Grenade" bullets.

And to the best of my knowledge, yes they are legal.

[snorko]

You do realize there is no explosive, just physics.

[CoRoMo]

Have you never heard of these?

They are very real, legal, and effective.

[koginam]

I have some hornady 17's that do the same thing. On rock chucks they send the intestines 10 to 15 feet. On P dogs their is just a wet spray.

[Deus Machina]

No explosive, they just dump all their energy instantly.

I imagine they'd be horribly painful but ineffective as an SD round, unless you have a problem with violent killer bunnies. ;)

[Duke of Doubt]

Yawn.

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Ain't gonna work in 9mm - not enough velocity. If tannerite is legal (and it is), then so is a lightly constructed bullet.

"Hey prairie dog!"
"Eh?"
"BUH-bye!"

[ServiceSoon]

I know I will get hell for saying this, but seeing animals shot for fun makes me sad.

[woodybrighton]

fine if your going to eat them or there a pest/vermin but hey watch this explode cause its cool. is just a little bit sick.

[Treo]

Prairie Dogs ARE vermin, they carry the plauge, their burrows harm livestock , they're rodents. killing them as nuscience animals is legitimate & the varmit grenade bullets make it an essentially painless death

[Hanzerik]

Plus it gives the other Prairie Dogs something other then grass to eat. They are nasty little creatures.

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

Weird thing is it looks like they are just using stock footage.

Very similar to the footage used in this anti-gun ad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U_CBZkuK-w

The idea that is a grenade is laughable. Any company that needs to "try that hard" at marketing is usually something I stay away from.

Its a bullet. It is a small lump of metal that hits things at very high speeds. Lets not over think it here.

[LaEscopeta]

You do realize there is no explosive, just physics. My (imperfect) understanding of the physics is bullets going faster than 2800+/- fps have a second shock wave in front of them (in front of the regular super sonic shock wave.) Above 3100+/- fps this second shock wave has enough energy to affect a target. If the target is mostly water (like an animal) the water in the target can not transmit the shock wave. The advance shock wave tries to vibrate the water in the taget faster than water is capable of vibrating. If the target is small (like a p-dog) the energy violently seperats the water into tiny droplets, tearing the solid part of the target apart in the process and throwing them in all directions. In a large target (like a human) there is only enough energy to cause a portion of the water in the body to try to seperate, and the rest of the body mass often absorbes the force of the part of the water that is expanding/exploding. If the expanding water bursts through on the far side on the body, it causes the "pink mist" snipers talk about.

they carry the plaugeWell, they can carry the plauge, along with a lot of other illinesses. In the same way humans can carry the plauge. But I don't think any p-dogs or humans in the world currently have the plauge.

[jakemccoy]

Wow, he completely rocked the world of that prairie dog at 1:01.

[machinisttx]

Here is some pretty graphic footage of prairie dog shootings.

http://www.dogbegone.com/video.html

[D!rty H@rry]

that was awsome!




:)

[Justin]

But I don't think any p-dogs or humans in the world currently have the plauge.

You'd be wrong. Prairie dogs in Colorado are regularly found to have Plague.

[TxState101]

Ahh, reading the Youtube comments are always good for a few laughs and inducing vein-popping confusion and anger.

Also, some humans a few years back in New Mexico had the plague. It's still out there, thank goodness for medicine. It still exists!

[moooose102]

varmit grenade bullets make it an essentially painless death

dont get me wrong, i am all for shooting the litle pests. but i am not so sure how "painless"it would be. instant, yes, but painless? i dont know about that. i suppose it would be like a human killed by a direct hit from a 5" battleship gun projectile. unfortunatly, nobody will ever know how much or little pain there would be in something like that. if you were hit by one, you would be killed intantly. no doubt about that. only folks that make it to heaven (or i guess the other place) will ever know, and they aren't coming back anytime soon to tell us! we tell ourselves that it is painless, to make us feel better about what and how we kill things. but how many of us would vounteer to sit on a 5 inch gun to find out?!

[koginam]

There are some who would call pictures of young 18 to 35 year old women nude art, there are some that like modern art even though it looks like a monkey did it, We all see beauty in different things but we shouldn't be judgmental because someone else sees beauty in a spray pattern in the snow.

[Freezebyte]

Definitely a varied opinion among youtube comment posters, thats for sure.

[Treo]

But I don't think any p-dogs or humans in the world currently have the plauge

As has been pointed out, plauge is found in Colorado & New Mexico particularly in the San Luis Valley & the Four Corners area.

[chute2thrill]

Sorry I couldn't help myself.. One of my favorite YouTube videos..
Viewer discretion advised...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZw5oAHUfPw

[agd1953]

Nothing wrong with being effective.

[WardenWolf]

They're real, but there's varying reports on effectiveness. I've heard some people say they sometimes don't fragment properly.

[ZombieHunter]

Plague

[GregGry]

What I saw in thoes videos was people using prarie dogs as targets for shooting. It wasn't done because they could be carriers of the plague, it was done for fun. I am not against hunting in the least, and I am not against killing pests that are bothering your property. I am against killing animals just for the sake of having a target. I am sure there wasn't a house within miles of where thoes people were at, so its pretty hard to come up for a reason to kill them other then for target pratice.

[Freezebyte]

What I saw in thoes videos was people using prarie dogs as targets for shooting. It wasn't done because they could be carriers of the plague, it was done for fun. I am not against hunting in the least, and I am not against killing pests that are bothering your property. I am against killing animals just for the sake of having a target. I am sure there wasn't a house within miles of where thoes people were at, so its pretty hard to come up for a reason to kill them other then for target pratice.

*scoff* Its called farmland or cattle range

[GregGry]

Its going to be pretty hard to farm on that land, and I didn't see any cattle anywhere.

Lets be honest here... in the situations portrayed in thoes videos, they were using thoes dogs as targets, and it had little to nothing to do with the potential dangers the dogs put anyone in. I am not saying its completely wrong, but you can't pull the plague card out just to make you feel better about using some prarie dogs as targets.

[chute2thrill]

They were testing the effectiveness of the .204 Ruger...

[expvideo]

You know... if you shot a person with this the prosecutor would just love you.

[HeavenlySword]

This is similar to a hollow point round.

If it stops the attacker/threat, I'll take my chances with the prosecuter

[notorious]

It's a high speed frangible bullet like the Magsafe or whatever that other brand was with the bluetip and the epoxied birdshot inside.

There's nothing new about this technology and it really takes away the worry that you would wound the animal and cause pain. It's instant death by massive disruption of tissue cohesion which, in a small varmint, equals disintegration.

[alaskanativeson]

Where I grew up in Colorado, the ranchers would love to have us come and do target practice on prairie dogs. Yes, it was target practice for us. However, they had cattle and horses on their property. Cattle and horse ranges can be huge, so it's not surprising that you wouldn't necessarily see livestock in a video. We always had permission to go and shoot P dogs, it was a mutual arrangement. I remember hearing of a case just outside of Boulder, CO where a kid got bubonic plague. That was about 10 miles from where I grew up and about 15 miles from where I usually went dawg shooting. I'm sure there are those who go out for purely a bloodlust, and I'll admit that there was part of it that made it exciting when I was a young kid. However, in my case, I at least knew why I was performing a service, and I was always responsible about it.

[Double Naught Spy]

You know... if you shot a person with this the prosecutor would just love you.

It's a high speed frangible bullet like the Magsafe or whatever that other brand was with the bluetip and the epoxied birdshot inside.

Right, there are plenty of frangible rounds on the market that are advertised for self defense for both civilians and LEOs.

The prosecutor isn't going to have any problems with you using such a round if the shoot is justified.

With that said, a Varmit Grenade would be a very poor performer on human-sized targets (poor penetration).

[cpttango30]

Some of you really need to get out of the dam lazy boy and do some research.

I am a die hard varmint hunter have been all my life. We use bullets like this for one reason to reduce ricochets. I don't care if there is no houses but there may be other hunters, shooters, animals or equipment in the area.

If you want to save the poor praire dog then go and see what they do to grass and farm land. They devour grass and around each hole is bare earth for atleast 20 to 25'. Livestock get stuck in the holes and DIE. Livestock to a rancher is his lively hood and he must do what he can to protect his lively hood.

The Varmint Grenade bullet design is used by the military. It is the pressed metal powder that the military is currently using they just do not have the thin jacket and hallow cavity.

If you don't like varmint hunting keep your mouth shut. I don't think hanging in a tree waiting for a deer to walk by on its way to food or sleep then blasting it is very sporting. I do not go around calling deer hunters names because of that.

So until you have seen the problems and have come up with the better solution we varmint hunters will still do what we do best. Kill varmints quick fast and in a hurry.

And yes varmints like the Praire Dogs Ground Squirrels do carry the plague. That is why you don't eat them. Lets do some research before running off at the mouth.

[Treo]

If you don't like varmint hunting keep your mouth shut

And you whould have what authority to issue this edict ?

[JImbothefiveth]

This is similar to a hollow point round.

If it stops the attacker/threat, I'll take my chances with the prosecuter
If it's designed for varmints, it probably won't be good for self-defense, it will probably lack penetration.

they just do not have the thin jacket and hallow cavity.
The cavity in particular probably makes it effective on varmints by causing it to expand quickly, and in a human this wouldn't hit anything important, so it would not have good stopping power.

[acpchuck]

As stated before, P-dogs are not the cute little furry critters that people make them out to be. Amazing to watch them eat their dispatched members, yes they are cannibalistic. In fact generally the first 'kill' of a trip is hitting one (not on purpose) with the truck as they are on the road eating a dead one.

Their effect on grazing land is incredible. Their mounds may spread out only 2 or 3 feet or up to 20 feet. They eat the grass down to the roots or pull it out to eat it, their mounds compact the dirt and nothing will grow on them and they carry the plague. At the ranch we shoot on in Wyoming, the rancher states that 5 to 6 P-dogs equal one cow in terms of what they eat and how much their mound reduces grazing land. Until you walk the land, you cannot fully appreciate how much damage they do.

The rancher is glad to have people come and shoot. He also has high regard for the wild life on his land making it clear that only P-dogs and coyotes can be shot. He has allowed the Wyoming game dept to place black footed ferrets on his land. We have seen these and they are nifty little critters.

We have shot at the same ranch for the last 8 years and the population does not seem to vary any more than where no shooting is allowed. The little buggers are pretty good at maintaining their population levels and we help by leaving some behind as 'seed'.

Many varmint shooters talk about huge P-dog towns being wiped out from a previous year either by the plague or by government poisoning. The ranchers in the area we shoot at in Wyoming do not want to revert to poisoning P-dogs to control them because of the collateral harm to ferrets, eagles, badgers and foxes.

Our annual trip is as much the social interactions between long time friends who live in other states and our kids (ages 7 to 23) as it is the shooting. Much in the same why that people get together for annual big game hunts. Number one rule is firearms safety and closely tied to that is no alcohol.

While there may be gun owners who disagree with shooting varmints, if it activity is legal and done safely, why should they force their views on others? It is the same as a gun owner who has only a bolt action rifle saying no one should have an AR-15 because they don't like that kind of gun and don't see any reason a person should have it.

[notorious]

Fire at will! God speed, gentlemen. Don't let the uninformed ruin your run. When's the next trip? You got room for 1 more?

[chris in va]

Greg, no offense but...you have no idea what you're talking about. I invite you to do a little more research on the subject before making a blanket statement about people just randomly plinking away at prairie dogs. When I lived in Longmont as a kid, we'd see vast acres of prairie dog towns in the N. Denver area.

And I agree, it's pretty sick...but it's a necessity. Many people get enjoyment out of hunting too.

[Treo]

I want to get one of those converter kits from Cabella's that turns 2 10/22s into a gatling gun and use THAT to hunt some dawgs

[notorious]

Why not just use a BMF activator? The Youtube video made it look like it works the same.

[mr.243]

if your gonna kill, do it. dont reflect on the pain for you or for that of what you kill, otherwise you shouldn't be doing it. animals feel pain.. thats obvious. i tell you what whatching those critters blow seems a grenade to the torso to a man so how much is really possible?

[mr.243]

all i want to know is that available in .243 win?

[NHCraigT]

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/4909141.html

[mr.243]

i wish i had a praire dog problem

[cpttango30]

Shoot poor furry cuddley P Dogs is no different than some yahoo hanging out of a tree 30' in the air waiting for a deer to walk by to the 55gal drum feeded 20 yards behind him or to the pile of cemerdeer the dumped all over a rotten log.

The Barnes Varmint Granade bullet may be affective but they are not accurate one bit from the reports I get. I know guys that have custom rifles shoting V-maxes into the .2" they tried the barnes VG and nothing under .75"....

[Double Naught Spy]

The Varmint Grenade bullet design is used by the military. It is the pressed metal powder that the military is currently using they just do not have the thin jacket and hallow cavity.

Where in the military are such rounds being used again? I can think of only two places.
1) training facilities (frangibles to keep ricochets minimal
2) door breaching rounds

So to say they are in use by the military is a bit silly and really naive. The military isn't using such ammo against the enemy.

[notorious]

The police and military use the frangible metal powder 12 gauge rounds for door busting and that's it.