Which Turret Press to Start With


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CardboardDisaster
January 2, 2009, 10:09 AM
Hi Everyone!
I'm about to start reloading and want to ask for your comments about
these presses. The Lee Classic Turret, Lyman T Mag 2, and RCBS 88901. Which one would you recommend and why. I've already researched all of these presses but have not seen any clear comparisons between these three by people who have used them.

General comments welcome but specific input based on experience will be more useful.

I'll be shooting approximately 5500 rds 9mm Luger per year ( IDPA & range ) so accuracy is important but not critical. Presently I'm only shooting 9mm but in the future will shoot 40 S&W, 38 SPL, 223, and 308 although the bulk of it will continue to be 9mm, then followed closely by 40 S&W.

Let's get this started with a few specific questions:

1) Which one do you think is better - the Lyman T Mag 2, RCBS, or Lee CT
and why ?
Lee has the obvious advantage in startup cost so that point really
isn't as important to me as other facts that would substantially
distinguish these presses from each other.

2) Can I use the Hornady LNL bushings on all three presses ?

3) How many rounds can one comfortably produce on a turret press ?

Thanks!

CBD

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Grumulkin
January 2, 2009, 10:22 AM
My turret press is a Redding T-7. It has 7 die stations that I keep mostly filled with various reloading projects and is built like a tank.

CardboardDisaster
January 2, 2009, 10:39 AM
I've read some very good reviews of the T-7 but the cost; along with all the extras necessary to get started, puts it a little too close to the progressive presses. Plus it's on back order every place I've checked locally. I narrowed my search to the three I listed for both cost and availability. And all three can be purchased in kits that have everything you need to get started..minus caliber specific stuff. I found all three on the shelves locally whereas everything else this particular retailer carries is sold out, and won't be resupplied for at least a week.

Do you have any experience with the ones I listed?

Grumulkin
January 2, 2009, 11:07 AM
No, I have no experience with the ones you listed. Welcome to the forum by the way.

Walkalong
January 2, 2009, 11:17 AM
Buy an LNL or a Dillon and be done with it, or get the Lee Classic turret (cast iron) and see how it goes. I think you will end up with a progressive though.

Welcome to THR

jfh
January 2, 2009, 11:31 AM
FWIW, the Lee Turret, when loading pistol / .223 rounds with its auto-indexing rod installed, will load about 180-200 rounds per hour.

I've not used the other turrets. But, they don't have auto-indexing, and the most partisan user hasn't reported over 100 rph from any non indexed turret.

With that in mind, I'll second Walkalong's advice, at least insofar as the startup--get the Lee Classic Cast turret and see how it goes.

You won't regret owning the Lee, and it will give you an idea about how you want to load as you become more experienced.

Jim H.

CardboardDisaster
January 2, 2009, 01:36 PM
Thanks for the input guys.

The Lee Classic Turret has definitely moved up on my list. Just finished reading some more reviews on it and the latest version seems like a very solid press. Does anybody know when it was redesigned ?

Other than cost is there any other reason to go with the Lee over the Lyman T Mag 2 ? I'm asking because they sell that Lyman in a kit with everything needed to get started except the dies ( and the cost isn't much more than initial investment in the Lee w/accessories ).

I realize the auto indexing on the Lee means it will crank out more rounds per hour and that's definitely of interest to me, but after having read so many good reviews of the Lee one might assume there is no reason to bother with any other....but that can't be true..right?:) Is there any noticable difference in the quality of the round from one press to the other, or difference in quality or durability between the Lee and the Lyman or RCBS ? The cost of either is not an issue, just want to get the press that will have fewer problems to operate, and the best design.

Thanks again for your comments.

Uncle Chan
January 2, 2009, 02:20 PM
The Lee is a great machine. I have one that I use religiously, more so than my Dillon 550B. Easy to work, cheap to get additional dies plates for, makes quality ammo.

The only problem I have with it is a good quality powder measure for it. I've not found one I like yet. I currently use the Lee Pro Powder Measure, but had to modify it considerably to get consistent drops.

Lee will give you every bit as good a round as a Dillon, Lyman, RCBS, Redding, etc. Don't let anyone tell you different. And, Lee dies are every bit as good as those others. Believe me, I've used them all. Dollar for dollar, you can't beat Lee.

D. Manley
January 2, 2009, 02:44 PM
Buy an LNL or a Dillon and be done with it, or get the Lee Classic turret (cast iron) and see how it goes. I think you will end up with a progressive though.



+1.

If you're wanting to get your feet wet with a turret, the LCT is a no-brainer. The others mentioned are top-notch machines but once fully equipped, approach the price of progressive machines. Down the road if you decide a progressive is for you then your much smaller investment in the LCT becomes even more attractive. FWIW, I'm not a huge fan of most Lee equipment but the LCT is an exception...very good value.

benzuncle
January 2, 2009, 03:35 PM
Cardboard, Welcome!

Buy an LNL or a Dillon and be done with it, or get the Lee Classic turret (cast iron) and see how it goes. I think you will end up with a progressive though.

I did just what Walkalong said, I got the Lee Classic 4-Hole Turret Press and saw how it went. Just shy of a year later, I'm stickin' right where I'm at. When I purchased my kit from Kempf Gun Shop, I upgraded to the Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure and the Safety Prime Systems at the time of purchase. I'm very pleased with this arrangement. And the money I saved by purchasing the Lee stuff allowed me to buy another 45! :D I have loaded about 3500 rounds of 45acp and 380acp since last January. I am content with the "up to 200 rounds per hour" capacity of the Lee 4-Hole Classic Turret Press. Good Luck in your research and decision. You won't really hear much bad talk about most of the makes and models out there. All of them build accurate ammo.

rondog
January 2, 2009, 04:18 PM
I have the Lee Classic Turret, so it gets my vote. This is the kit I bought. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp;jsessionid=ICVX00HZJ2L1ZLAQBBISCO3MCAEFEIWE?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat602007-cat20847&id=0044122216337a&navCount=1&podId=0044122&parentId=cat20847&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=IJ&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20847&hasJS=true&_requestid=113883 I can't speak to how many you can make per hour, I just can't go that fast for that long of a stretch, but you can hump 'em out pretty good once you get the hang of it.

I personally DO NOT recommend this one, the Deluxe Turret Press. Big differences between the two, I've had this model before and won't have another. The Classic though, works great. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/standard-pod.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/pod-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat602007-cat20847-cat20847&rid=&indexId=cat20847&navAction=push&masterpathid=&navCount=1&parentType=index&parentId=cat20847&id=0032404

lgbloader
January 2, 2009, 05:03 PM
I'd have to agree with Walkalong. The Lee Classic Turret can load about 150 -200 rounds per hour and thats okay but from what you're talking about would make me lean towards a Dillon 550B or the Hornady LNL.


LGB

CardboardDisaster
January 2, 2009, 05:22 PM
Uncle Chan - Is the Lee Pro Powder Measure you mentioned the same as the Pro Auto Disk Measure? I've read good reviews on those.

Oldcoyote
January 2, 2009, 05:31 PM
Card
Where did you price the Lyman vs. Lee?

Thanks

CardboardDisaster
January 2, 2009, 05:40 PM
I found the Lyman T Mag 2 Expert kit at a Cabala's for the same price as advertised online at a few places including MidwayUSA. Lee pricing has been consistent across the board depending on how you buy it.

Uncle Chan
January 2, 2009, 06:13 PM
Is the Lee Pro Powder Measure you mentioned the same as the Pro Auto Disk Measure? I've read good reviews on those.

Yes sir, one and the same. I'm sure the are good measures, I've just had bad luck with mine. It works, but I wouldn't say it does much more than that. I've had to modify it to make it work.

Perhaps I just got a lemon. :)

depoloni
January 2, 2009, 06:34 PM
I started with an RCBS Rock Chucker single stage press.

I got into pistol shooting, at which point I immediately stepped up to the Lee Classic Cast Turret Press, for which I purchased a half dozen turret plates and pre-set all my die sets in them (for pistols). I LOVE that thing, and I don't even use the auto-indexer in favor of manual indexing and batch loading. I start with clean brass, and in one step prime/resize/bell, then do the powder of my Lyman #55, then in step two do seat/crimp. LOVE IT.

My next press, if I bother, will be a Dillon 550. The 650 and other "better" ones make things easier but I refuse to let the machine control what's happening beyond a point. Powder being the BIG point for me, which is why i still prefer to use the LCT and hand-charge in between.

Long story long (sorry hehe), you won't be disapointed in the LCT coming from a guy who doesn't know how much "better" the Hornady LnL is.

Biggest perk for the LnL is the free bullets they have going - by the time you figure it all the press is almost free - with a free thousand 44cal 240 XTPs. If I was buying now, based on value, that'd be a consideration. But love my LCT anyhow.

Good luck!

floydster
January 2, 2009, 06:34 PM
I have four of the Lee pro powder measures, one for each of my pistol calibers. Every one works great, I have my turrets set up for every cal. I load, no dinking around, pop the turret on the press and go. I have the Classic Cast turret press.
Floydster

RustyFN
January 2, 2009, 08:51 PM
I have only used the Lee classic turret. I think it's a great press. The priming system on the classic for me has worked near flawless. Needing 5500 rounds a year you are looking at around 450 per month. That's around 2.5 hours of loading. Another thing I like is you can add a caliber for the price of dies and a $9 turret. You can change calibers including primer sizes in around 60 seconds. The spent primer disposal is through the ram into a clear tube and keeps the press, bench and floor very clean.
Rusty
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flying
January 2, 2009, 09:03 PM
Ok stop the presses :)
Rusty where did you get the cool 3 Ball knob for your Lee?

Also to stay on topic I just ordered a Lee CTP also.
I use to have a RCBS 4x4 & am just getting back into reloading.
From everything I read the LCT looks like it will work great for me. I also bought 3 additional heads & also went with the Lyman55 powder measure instead.

CardboardDisaster
January 2, 2009, 09:35 PM
Thanks everyone for all the responses. I've got a new found sense of confidence in the Lee turrets. Just out of curiousity though...how many rounds a year are ya'll churning out on those LCTs ?

CBD

CU74
January 2, 2009, 09:42 PM
I seem to keep following RustyFN to these threads:cool:. The only apparent difference between our reloading set-ups is his #3 ball - it looks like I even have the same electronic scale:uhoh:.

I did a lot of research and comparing before deciding on the Lee Classic Turret, the Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure and the Safety Prime. I use it to reload .38 Special, .357 Magnum, 9mm, 45ACP and .30 Carbine. I also use it for bullet seating and crimping for necked rifle cartridges, (I use a Lee single-stage press for necked brass decapping and resizing). I am happy with the Lee equipment.

jfh
January 3, 2009, 12:45 AM
I don't have a Classic Cast yet; I still use an (updated) 'standard' turret--over the last eighteen months, I have loaded about 20,000 rounds on it.

The bulk of these loads were 38/357 'load development' sets--e.g., 10-to-20 rounds, then a powder charge change, another twenty rounds, etc., etc.

This is for the 'short barrel' (revolver) data base I'm building.

Under these conditions, I load about 160-180 rph. For the standardized loads, I use a progressive--the Load-Master.

Had I not had this gear already, I would have bought the Classic Cast Turret.

Jim H.

slpmmp
January 3, 2009, 02:32 AM
I have both the Lyman and the Lee Turret presses. Both get the job done, but the Lee is the one I use most often when loading since it has to auto index which saves on wear and tear on your elbows. Both have pros/cons. Lyman pros are very smooth action and the #55 powder dispenser is extremely consistent once set up. Cons are the dies were extremely hard to screw in, and basically the whole primer system from seating new to disposing of old kinda sucks. You'll be picking up lots of dropped primers. As for the Lee the pros are auto index, easy change turrets, and auto powder dispensing, plus their priming system from seating to disposing is worlds apart from Lyman and others. I haven't really found a con yet other than the turret sometimes get out of sync with shell plate. My vote is for Lee. Once you see how they put their stuff together you'll appreciate the thought that goes into it. Buy the Lee reloading manual as well if you decide on the classic turret press. It goes into great detail about their products and how to properly use them. Check out this link if you haven't already seen this: http://www.realguns.com/archives/122.htm

Right Wing Wacko
January 3, 2009, 02:48 AM
If you are looking for a decent deal on the Lee Classic Turret in Kit form chec out Kempf.

https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=630&category_id=190&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41&vmcchk=1&Itemid=41

Be sure to pay the extra $20 and get the "Upgraded Kit". It comes with everything you need to get started except the primers, powder, and bullets. I added a cheap electronic scale and can't think of anything else I need.

flying
January 3, 2009, 02:51 AM
I just ordered from Kempf too.
Really nice folks to work with.
I went with the press as I am picking what I want for powder measure etc.
So did not get a kit.

benzuncle
January 3, 2009, 12:07 PM
flying, when I ordered my Lee Classic Turret Press from Kempf last January, I was presently surprised on how quickly the order was delivered. Get your bench ready posthaste! As Right Wing said, the upgrade to the Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure and Safety Prime is well worth the extra $$$. Good luck to you!

flying
January 3, 2009, 01:45 PM
Thanks benz
Yes they have already done the click ship.
Great folks to work with.
I did get the safety prime large & small & instead ordered a lyman 55 powder unit because I had one before & it was great. I will probably have to manually throw it but that is fine I did the same with it on my RCBS 4x4.
Thanks

rockhound758
January 3, 2009, 03:10 PM
I stopped by Kempf's a week ago as I was nearby at a state park, and it's a neat place. The guy I talked with there said they send out about 30 LCT presses a week! Good folks.

Frankl03
January 3, 2009, 11:38 PM
Another vote for the Lee Classic (Cast) Turret. I load 223 and 308 on mine. Turns out great quality ammo. I also use a Lee single stage for decapping and swaging primer pockets.

Changing calibers is fast!

MY son uses a Dillion 550 but I like the Lee for the reloading I do and the price was right!

Uncle Chan
January 4, 2009, 12:13 AM
I would like to offer up one more option: Dillon AT 500. It is a bare-bones 550B but is entirely upgradable to a 550B, as time and money permits.

And before anyone slams me for mentioning it, contrary to popular belief, you can still order one. I speak from experience.

FoMoGo
January 4, 2009, 12:36 AM
I am a new reloader... a few months.
I have the Lee classic turret, with seperate turrets set up with the dies and powder measure for both of the calibers I reload.
I cant speak highly enough of it.


Jim

RustyFN
January 4, 2009, 03:06 PM
Ok stop the presses
Rusty where did you get the cool 3 Ball knob for your Lee?
I got the three ball from Aneat at www.glockpost.com. I think all he has to sell now are eight balls but they look cool also. It is a lot more comfortable than the wooden ball.
Rusty

ls0n3
January 4, 2009, 04:18 PM
Im still very green on this subject. I have started placing ordes and reading up on it. Haven't mounted anything or even tried to reload yet.

My question is in regards to the lee classic turret press. I was under the assumption that as far as the press goes, its the same press in bth the classic kit and the deluxe kit? Dont both have auto indexing?

If not, what is wrong with the deluxe kit's auto indexing turret press? I ordered one, and I havent used it yet, so if there is really something I should be aware of, Id love to know so I can correct my situation.

I thought the only difference between the clssic kit and deluxe kit was the lack of the auto prime 2 and the auto measure pro.

Appreciate your time!

edit: Ok one thing I noticed when looking at pictures. The red base of the turret. The classic kit press with auto inexing seems to have a much thinner base. Where as the deluxe seems to have a much wider or thicker base. Maybe different handles too.

Dean Williams
January 4, 2009, 04:50 PM
IsOn3;
The press in the Deluxe Kit is the original style Lee turret press. It's main difference to the Classic turret is the base. The one that looks like it has a bigger base is the original, and the base is made of an aluminum casting. The Classic has a cast iron base. Other than that, they do the same thing as far as having interchangeable turrets, (they use the same one) and they take the same accessories.

I have a number of presses in different brands. I bought the original type of Lee Turret press, with the aluminum base, around 1990 and have used it heavily with no complaints. I use it almost exclusively, for anything up to 30-06.

The Classic Turret press with the cast iron base is no doubt sturdier than the one I have, but how much, I don't know. I haven't been able to wear out the aluminum one yet, and I reload a lot. Hundreds of rounds a week, year in, year out.

RustyFN
January 4, 2009, 05:06 PM
Im still very green on this subject. I have started placing ordes and reading up on it. Haven't mounted anything or even tried to reload yet.

My question is in regards to the lee classic turret press. I was under the assumption that as far as the press goes, its the same press in bth the classic kit and the deluxe kit? Dont both have auto indexing?
Yes they both have auto indexing but are not the same press.

If not, what is wrong with the deluxe kit's auto indexing turret press? I ordered one, and I havent used it yet, so if there is really something I should be aware of, Id love to know so I can correct my situation.
These are the diffrences as I know them.
Deluxe= aluminum base
pot metal linkage
won't load larger rifle cal's
not a good primer disposal
good press

Calssic= steel base
steel linkage
taller to load larger rifle cal's
primer disposal through the ram
excellent press.

I thought the only difference between the clssic kit and deluxe kit was the lack of the auto prime 2 and the auto measure pro.
Both presses will use the safety prime.

Appreciate your time!

edit: Ok one thing I noticed when looking at pictures. The red base of the turret. The classic kit press with auto inexing seems to have a much thinner base. Where as the deluxe seems to have a much wider or thicker base. Maybe different handles too.
The classic cast turret is well worth the extra money in my opinion.
Rusty

ls0n3
January 4, 2009, 05:09 PM
Dean w.,

Appreciate it. So I can get the auto powder upgrade kit and the auto prime 2 for it? I was thinking I would have to get the lee safety prime.


Nice to hear. I probably wont do near the amount of reloading you do. So far I just plan to do some 45 qcp reloads on it. Using Accurate arms #2 powder and wolf large pistol primers with missouri bullets and once fired brass.

Who knows how much of a bug ill get. Just researching up on it has given me such an interest in it.

ls0n3
January 4, 2009, 05:14 PM
thanks rusty. Ill have to give it some serious thought. Compare the diference in going with the classic vs the turret.

I know kempf has the classic kit. Though I gt mine at midway. Not sure they have a similar kit set up for the classic.

I dont have any current intentions or means to shoot/reload any rifle rounds. But I have read and could see how it might b very rewarding to get into it for hunting etc.

rfwobbly
January 4, 2009, 05:39 PM
You're getting some feedback, but not necessarily the answers you were asking for. Here's your direct answers...

1) Which one do you think is better - the Lyman T Mag 2, RCBS, or Lee CT and why ?

Lee has the obvious advantage in startup cost so that point really
isn't as important to me as other facts that would substantially
distinguish these presses from each other.

IMHO, you may not be comparing apples to apples.

• The Lyman T-Mag is an old and trusted design. It comes as a kit with everything you need, including the industries leading manual and a case trimmer which will be mandatory for your rifle reloading. True it must be manually advanced and there will be a lot more handling when loading pistol rounds. This press is probably the best of the lot for rifle loading. The primer system and powder feed are metallic, sturdy, and accurate over long periods.

• RCBS. Which RCBS?

• Lee CT is their bottom of the line press and comes with few accessories. If you buy one of these, definitely get the 4-position version since you'll need it for pistol. The dies auto-rotate over a fixed ram. IME Lee turrets don't always advance correctly; as has been noted some fiddling is required. The primer system and powder feed are adequate, but plastic and prone to hiccups too. No case trimmer is provided which is required for rifle.


• Basic issues at work here...
1) You get what you pay for, my friend. IMHO, by the time you buy ALL the equipment you'll need, using any brand press you like, you'll be well over $400... not counting the reloading die sets. If you buy a poor manual, you'll be "adding to your library" within 6 months. If you buy cheap accessories, you'll be replacing them within a year. For SOME people going in cheap and then following up every year with $100 equipment upgrades makes sense. For SOME people buying the right equipment once is a cost savings they can afford. You have to figure out which person you are.

2) IMHO there is no single press that works equally well reloading pistol really fast and rifle accurately in your price range. That is due to the reloading process itself. Rifle cases need to be trimmed after sizing, whereas pistol cases do not. If you'll spend an afternoon at a friend's house reloading both, you'll quickly see this.


2) Can I use the Hornady LNL bushings on all three presses ?

• No. The Lyman T-Mag has 8 positions. That's 1 set of pistol dies and 2 sets of rifle dies at the same time. Why would you need "fast swap" dies when you are set up for 3 calibers?

• Yes. Hornady LNL bushings can be used on some RCBS presses.

• No. With the Lee you buy additional 4-hole turrets (one for each die set) and that way your dies remain in caliber sets for quick installation or easy storage. One Lee 4-hole turret costs less than 4 individual Hornady LNL bushes anyway.


3) How many rounds can one comfortably produce on a turret press ?

• How many times can you pull a lever until you elbow hurts? That is not a sarcastic answer. It really depends more on your chair/stool and the height of your workbench than anything. IOW, it is mostly dependent on the ergonomics of your reloading station.


Hope this helps!

Dean Williams
January 4, 2009, 06:00 PM
Quote IsOn3

Dean w.,

Appreciate it. So I can get the auto powder upgrade kit and the auto prime 2 for it? I was thinking I would have to get the lee safety prime.

The basic answer to both your questions is yes.

The auto powder upgrade is actually an upgrade to the Auto Disk Powder Measure, and not the press itself. You won't need it unless you are going to charge rifle cartridges or really big handgun cartridges. (454 Casull, and like that).

The Auto Prime II just screws right into the press turret, but I'm not sure you will be able to use the auto indexing on the press with it installed. You can still use the press with the Auto Prime II with the press in it's non indexing configuration.

If you want to use the indexing feature of the press, I think you will need the Safety Prime, which is a bolt on upgrade. I have one on mine. About a 10 minute job to install it.

ls0n3
January 4, 2009, 06:28 PM
thanks again! After reading this, I went back to midway and read the reviews much closer. Seems that the auto prime ws mentioned with single stages and that indeed the safety prime was mentioned with the turrets. Appreciate it!

CardboardDisaster
January 4, 2009, 08:07 PM
Thanks Wobbly...

I ran across a thread somewhere talking about problems with the Lyman TMag's priming system being faulty. I don't remember when that post was made so maybe they've fixed whatever the problem was..Do you know anything about it?

One of the reasons Im looking at lyman is b/c I found one on the shelve at a local retailer. Everything else is on backorder so i figured I might pick that up so I wont have to wait but of course I want something that will be the least problematic as possible both in the short & long term. The extras in the Expert kit also make it enticing:)

CBD

CU74
January 4, 2009, 11:01 PM
Seems that the auto prime ws mentioned with single stages and that indeed the safety prime was mentioned with the turrets.

ls0n3 - The Lee Safety Prime Feeder will fit on both the Lee Classic Turret and the single-stage Lee Challenger Breech Lock. I have used the Safety Prime on both presses.

RustyFN
January 4, 2009, 11:13 PM
Lee CT is their bottom of the line press and comes with few accessories.
My opinion would be that the classic cast turret is a top of the line Lee press. It is built very solid.
IME Lee turrets don't always advance correctly; as has been noted some fiddling is required. The primer system and powder feed are adequate, but plastic and prone to hiccups too. No case trimmer is provided which is required for rifle.
I have had mine for two years. I have never had an alignment problem, the safety prime has worked near flawless and I have never had trouble with the powder measure or plastic parts. Maybe I have been lucky. I think if you buy the kit at kempf or Cabela's for a rifle caliber it will come with the trimmer.
How many times can you pull a lever until you elbow hurts? That is not a sarcastic answer. It really depends more on your chair/stool and the height of your workbench than anything. IOW, it is mostly dependent on the ergonomics of your reloading station.
I think press design will have a lot to do with out put. The other turret presses are manual indexing and the Lee is auto. Everybody I talk to that owns a lyman or other brand turret has told me they don't load much faster ( 50 to 75 RPH ) than a single stage. I own the Lee classic cast turret and can load at a rate of 200 rounds per hour.
You get what you pay for, my friend. IMHO, by the time you buy ALL the equipment you'll need, using any brand press you like, you'll be well over $400... not counting the reloading die sets.
I'm sure you can save a lot of money and have a press as good or better by buying the Lee CCT. I have the CCT and load for four calibers and have a trimmer, caliper, tumbler, hammer type puller, digital scale and am still under $400. Everything you see here and more.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8da27b3127ccec398914a0e3000000010O00DZOGblm4Yg9vPhI/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
rfwobbly I know I quoted a lot from your post and it might seem like I'm picking on you but I'm not. You brought up a lot of good points but your information about the Lee classic cast turret seems to be the opposit of my experience and everybody I know that has one.
To the OP, there are a lot of good presses out there. You just have to find the one that meets your needs and enjoy. Good luck with whatever you decide to go with.
Rusty

Aneat
January 6, 2009, 12:03 AM
Ive had a few guys asking about the billiard balls.

They are $10.00 each.

Here are some pics of what are available.
They will thread on to most reloading press's
On the Lee it needs to be glued on

Thanks; Adam

http://www.glockpost.com/forums/album.php?albumid=28

RustyFN
January 6, 2009, 05:15 PM
Hey Adam, the picture of the CT at the bottom with the three ball looks familiar.:D
Rusty

ls0n3
January 6, 2009, 05:24 PM
another newbie question. Witht he auto disk powder measure, either with the pro kit upgrade or just the pro itself.. It still uses the disk measure system right? If you get the adjustable charge bar, does that replace the disk system or do you still use it too?

jfh
January 6, 2009, 05:39 PM
IsOn3: The ACB replaces the disks when it is used.

Although, I suspect, you could try to integrate them, I see no benefit.

If one wants to have reliable / repeatable powder drops for loads requiring a two-disk setup, a better alternative is extra disks tweaked to provide the measurement one wants--IMO.

Jim H.

ls0n3
January 6, 2009, 07:43 PM
again thank you

RustyFN
January 7, 2009, 04:57 PM
You can use a disk by itself or the charge bar by itself. I prefer the disk. I have a charge bar and found it to be not as consistent as the disk. I think it's because of the oval opening instead of the circle. I also have been able to find loads that shoot good in all of my guns with the normal disk without having to modify them. But like Jim said you can drill a cavity out a hair at a time until you get the charge you want, then mark that disk as modified. I also use the double disk for loading rifle.
Rusty

ls0n3
January 8, 2009, 12:59 AM
cool. Went ahead and returned my deluxe kit, and got the lee classic kit from kempf's. They were fantastic at putting together a custom kit for me since i alredy had dies.

My bud who is going to help me learn to reload and show me his pointers, has the classic as well. So wanted to match sets :) silly me! plus i read all those review at midway as well.. sheesh!

and there doesnt seem to be any negative opinions about it

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