MostlyHarmless
January 3, 2009, 05:57 PM
Thinking of moving up from my Glock for my larger carry gun.
What do you think is the best? Sig, Kahr, or something else?
What do you think is the best? Sig, Kahr, or something else?
Favorite steel framed .40?
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SigP229R
January 3, 2009, 06:07 PM
Guess i'm prejudiced but it's my only 40 so I have to say Sig P229R. Also it's a great shooter, operator ain't so good at times but gun is great.
jmr40
January 3, 2009, 06:13 PM
The Smith 4006 may well be the best 40 pistol ever made. No longer made and highly under rated.
bpl
January 3, 2009, 06:14 PM
Browning/FN Hi Power in .40S&W!
nwilliams
January 3, 2009, 06:55 PM
Plus, Sigs aren't steel framed, they are aluminum.
You are correct, I was thinking all metal not steel in particular. Good catch.
You are correct, I was thinking all metal not steel in particular. Good catch.
waffentomas
January 3, 2009, 07:36 PM
Another vote for the .40 BHP.
I was skeptical when I bought the gun 10 years ago or so, but I've used it extensively now, and it's one of only a few guns I own that has NEVER jammed or had any problems - the other one being my Glock 20, and my PSP.
It's not a popular gun, or a "chic" pick. It has the advantage over the other guns mentioned in that it's a single action, and in a soft shooting cartridge like the .40, in a steel gun like this, you can get some serious follow-up shots.
Only sad thing about my .40 BHP is that my wife stole it from me and uses it as her HD gun. She's a lefty, and likes its very small ergonomic grip.
You should give it some serious consideration.
Plus, Sigs aren't steel framed, they are aluminum.
Tom
I was skeptical when I bought the gun 10 years ago or so, but I've used it extensively now, and it's one of only a few guns I own that has NEVER jammed or had any problems - the other one being my Glock 20, and my PSP.
It's not a popular gun, or a "chic" pick. It has the advantage over the other guns mentioned in that it's a single action, and in a soft shooting cartridge like the .40, in a steel gun like this, you can get some serious follow-up shots.
Only sad thing about my .40 BHP is that my wife stole it from me and uses it as her HD gun. She's a lefty, and likes its very small ergonomic grip.
You should give it some serious consideration.
Plus, Sigs aren't steel framed, they are aluminum.
Tom
Gracian's Hero
January 3, 2009, 07:56 PM
Beretta 96/Beretta 90-Two. Accurate...reliable...hard to carry concealed due to their size though...
possum
January 3, 2009, 08:13 PM
A kahr isn't "larger" than a glock, however i have a k-40 and i love it, i carry it alot, easy to conceal and wears great on my don hume open top holster. shoots good, reliable, not one malfunction ever, and accurate too to be such a small gun. nice trigger, and good sights.
gtmtnbiker98
January 3, 2009, 08:36 PM
If it's metal and a .40 it's a Sig P229R.
nwilliams
January 3, 2009, 08:52 PM
Plus, Sigs aren't steel framed, they are aluminum.
This is true, but steel slide so I guess that counts.
This is true, but steel slide so I guess that counts.
nwilliams
January 3, 2009, 08:53 PM
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nwilliams
January 3, 2009, 08:56 PM
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sophijo
January 3, 2009, 09:10 PM
+1 sw 4006
Agent-J
January 3, 2009, 09:18 PM
+1 for the Sig 229R
It's the BMW of pistols. I love it so much I bought a matching 239. ;)
It's the BMW of pistols. I love it so much I bought a matching 239. ;)
UnTainted
January 3, 2009, 09:47 PM
My favorite, THIS:
Some Sigs do have stainless frames.
229 stainless frame elite .40 porn:
http://i17.tinypic.com/4mbwi6w.jpg
Some Sigs do have stainless frames.
229 stainless frame elite .40 porn:
http://i17.tinypic.com/4mbwi6w.jpg
Rangegod
January 4, 2009, 07:36 AM
I've owned many 40's representing most of the major players, the BHP is the only one I ever kept. Going on 15 years of flawless performance.
JAC
JAC
Keoni
January 4, 2009, 07:48 AM
I've only owned two: Star Firestar and BHP. This is my favorite.
Peter M. Eick
January 4, 2009, 09:01 AM
Springfield P9 Ultra if you can find one. All steel, extremely well made but reasonably rare today. Most of us that have one hold on to them.
greyling22
January 4, 2009, 09:15 AM
baby eagle
wnycollector
January 4, 2009, 09:29 AM
CZ40B...it feels like a colt commander in your hand but shoots like a CZ75:)
Trustin
January 4, 2009, 06:03 PM
BHP is known for being inadequate at handling the .40 it was designed around 9mm, then had a bigger barrel slapped in it.
p229 was built with the .40 in mind (from the 228's 9mm only configuration) and has a heavier slide meant for it. some say this upsets balance, others say it is enhanced. I just like the thought of a milled slide over the 226's stamped.
Sigs don't have many aftermarket parts (because they're well engineered to start) but .40 in 229 converts easily to .357 sig. and the DAK conversion option is nice for CCW.
also, XD(m) handles the big recoil of the .40 superbly. the older XD Subcompact rubs the first joint of my thumb on my strong hand so i don't like it. most people love it.
maybe a CZ? word of mouth lends a good reputation. haven't heard of functionality yet.
IMO: stay away from BHP in .40, and the Glock 23 and 27 (poor recoil absorption by those plastic frames)
try and shoot them at a local range if you have somewhere nearby that rents. you'll never truly understand how it is at the gun counter, and other peoples experience wasn't with your hands.
Good Luck!
p229 was built with the .40 in mind (from the 228's 9mm only configuration) and has a heavier slide meant for it. some say this upsets balance, others say it is enhanced. I just like the thought of a milled slide over the 226's stamped.
Sigs don't have many aftermarket parts (because they're well engineered to start) but .40 in 229 converts easily to .357 sig. and the DAK conversion option is nice for CCW.
also, XD(m) handles the big recoil of the .40 superbly. the older XD Subcompact rubs the first joint of my thumb on my strong hand so i don't like it. most people love it.
maybe a CZ? word of mouth lends a good reputation. haven't heard of functionality yet.
IMO: stay away from BHP in .40, and the Glock 23 and 27 (poor recoil absorption by those plastic frames)
try and shoot them at a local range if you have somewhere nearby that rents. you'll never truly understand how it is at the gun counter, and other peoples experience wasn't with your hands.
Good Luck!
bigwhiteyj
January 4, 2009, 09:59 PM
+5 (I think) Fot the P229. I'm waiting for my new SAS to keep my DAK company. Great gut, very accurate and I'm a great fan of the DAK trigger system (the SAS has it too).
Rangegod
January 5, 2009, 07:50 AM
BHP is known for being inadequate at handling the .40 it was designed around 9mm, then had a bigger barrel slapped in it.
This is why it's called the Error-Net.
Browning was a late entry in the 40 game because they totally redesigned the HP for the 40. In fact they delayed its introduction for nearly a year just to ensure 100% reliability with the then new 155 grain ammo being introduced to the market.
The changes include; a new manufacturing method and heat treat for the frame to increase strength (this upgrade also enhances the current 9MM versions). A totally different and much heaver slide. The locking surfaces were increases by 33% with the addition of a third locking lug on the barrel. The recoil spring and ejector are also different items for the 40.
I suggest a little research, reading, gunsmithing courses and owning three or four hundred guns before offering such opinions as gospel.
And, as to the (poor recoil absorption by those plastic frames) I'm not even going to discuss such foolishness.
JAC
This is why it's called the Error-Net.
Browning was a late entry in the 40 game because they totally redesigned the HP for the 40. In fact they delayed its introduction for nearly a year just to ensure 100% reliability with the then new 155 grain ammo being introduced to the market.
The changes include; a new manufacturing method and heat treat for the frame to increase strength (this upgrade also enhances the current 9MM versions). A totally different and much heaver slide. The locking surfaces were increases by 33% with the addition of a third locking lug on the barrel. The recoil spring and ejector are also different items for the 40.
I suggest a little research, reading, gunsmithing courses and owning three or four hundred guns before offering such opinions as gospel.
And, as to the (poor recoil absorption by those plastic frames) I'm not even going to discuss such foolishness.
JAC
Mad Magyar
January 5, 2009, 07:52 AM
Daewoo DH40 all steel, all-business...Priced right...Unique trigger....
Trustin
January 6, 2009, 03:19 AM
I suggest a little research, reading, gunsmithing courses and owning three or four hundred guns before offering such opinions as gospel.
I offered my opinions at face value: opinions only
I talk with 2 gun smiths daily at work, one owns over 15 BHP's, seems knowledgeable and imparted this wisdom to me when i considered buying one that the store couldn't sell because it was a red headed step child. but you've owned lots'oguns and know that there are brownings modded from factory to accept .40 and another made specifically for. most I see at the gun shows are the "upgraded" models, sans the relief cut for the slide release on the left side of the slide. as the good .40's don't seem to make the rounds that often.
I still on the other hand feel the slide is too stiff, and kicks like a mule for a gun that shoots so well in 9mm. same problem with the Glock 19 and 23
as for this:
I'm not even going to discuss such foolishness.
are you saying that high schools physics' are wrong? the lighter weight is better at resisting the forces of inertia?
After re-reading the original post, I realize he meant steel to begin with, and plastic frames are out of the question. If this is your gripe, then poo-poo. you keyboard commandos get on my nerves trying to tear down what everyone says. while I may be slightly misinformed, you soak the conversation with your accolades of owning so many guns and make yourself come off as needing to impress somebody rather than someone who has wisdom to share. I didn't care how many guns you have and would have listened just the same had you just stated, but your "error-net" comment came off as pithy and necessitated this reply.
revel in your wisdom, but try and show some humility.
I offered my opinions at face value: opinions only
I talk with 2 gun smiths daily at work, one owns over 15 BHP's, seems knowledgeable and imparted this wisdom to me when i considered buying one that the store couldn't sell because it was a red headed step child. but you've owned lots'oguns and know that there are brownings modded from factory to accept .40 and another made specifically for. most I see at the gun shows are the "upgraded" models, sans the relief cut for the slide release on the left side of the slide. as the good .40's don't seem to make the rounds that often.
I still on the other hand feel the slide is too stiff, and kicks like a mule for a gun that shoots so well in 9mm. same problem with the Glock 19 and 23
as for this:
I'm not even going to discuss such foolishness.
are you saying that high schools physics' are wrong? the lighter weight is better at resisting the forces of inertia?
After re-reading the original post, I realize he meant steel to begin with, and plastic frames are out of the question. If this is your gripe, then poo-poo. you keyboard commandos get on my nerves trying to tear down what everyone says. while I may be slightly misinformed, you soak the conversation with your accolades of owning so many guns and make yourself come off as needing to impress somebody rather than someone who has wisdom to share. I didn't care how many guns you have and would have listened just the same had you just stated, but your "error-net" comment came off as pithy and necessitated this reply.
revel in your wisdom, but try and show some humility.
BikerRN
January 6, 2009, 06:23 AM
I only own one 40 S&W caliber handgun, and it's a Browning Hi Power Practical.
The cast frames with the redesigned slide and relief cut are designed to handle the 40 caliber. When the Hi Power failed in FBI "testing" it was with a forged frame with a "bigger barrel slapped in it." That is not a good choice for a "represenative" sample of the Hi Power in a 40 caliber.
There, I got in before the urination contest got the thread locked. :neener:
BikerRN
The cast frames with the redesigned slide and relief cut are designed to handle the 40 caliber. When the Hi Power failed in FBI "testing" it was with a forged frame with a "bigger barrel slapped in it." That is not a good choice for a "represenative" sample of the Hi Power in a 40 caliber.
There, I got in before the urination contest got the thread locked. :neener:
BikerRN
bpl
January 6, 2009, 08:24 AM
I have to concur with those who pointed out that the BHP in .40 S&W was designed from the ground up for the .40S&W cartridge and is not a 9mm with a .40S&W barrel slapped in it. I own three 9mm Hi-Powers and one .40S&W Hi-Power and the 3oz difference in the heavier, stronger .40 is quite noticable in hand.
22lr
January 6, 2009, 12:32 PM
S&W 4006
S&W 3rd gens are just about the best gun for the money out there. No longer made but its a S&W so that is a none issue.
S&W 3rd gens are just about the best gun for the money out there. No longer made but its a S&W so that is a none issue.
Redhat
January 6, 2009, 08:18 PM
CZ 75B !!
The most accurate .40 I've ever owned and that's including the G23 and HK USP. All steel construction makes it easy on the recoil too! Best $350 I ever spent on a pistol.
The most accurate .40 I've ever owned and that's including the G23 and HK USP. All steel construction makes it easy on the recoil too! Best $350 I ever spent on a pistol.
dleong
January 7, 2009, 06:23 AM
Another vote here for the CZ 75B in 40S&W. Great ergonomics and stunning accuracy.
(I'd have suggested the CZ 40B, but the OP was asking about steel-framed .40s and the 40B has an aluminium frame.)
(I'd have suggested the CZ 40B, but the OP was asking about steel-framed .40s and the 40B has an aluminium frame.)
Rmac58
January 7, 2009, 12:46 PM
I have a CZ P-06, alloy framed, compact railed 75, pretty much.
wnycollector
January 7, 2009, 02:03 PM
dleong I agree with you...the CZ 40B is awesome...the best $300 I have ever spent!
hemiram
January 7, 2009, 05:40 PM
I have shot these, and liked them:
CZ40
EAA Witness fullsized.
Baby Eagle fullsized.
Sig 229 Steel frame. My friend has one, very nice.
And if you like pain:
Astra A-75, my hands feel like I held onto a firecracker. Great little gun though. I like my 9mm A-75 a lot better, but it's not as pretty.
CZ40
EAA Witness fullsized.
Baby Eagle fullsized.
Sig 229 Steel frame. My friend has one, very nice.
And if you like pain:
Astra A-75, my hands feel like I held onto a firecracker. Great little gun though. I like my 9mm A-75 a lot better, but it's not as pretty.
gglass
January 7, 2009, 09:49 PM
If price is no object and you really want the best... This is it.
From carry to competition:
Les Baer - BAER H.C. 40 (Nineteen Rounds Of .40 S&W Firepower)
http://www.lesbaer.com/HC40.html
From carry to competition:
Les Baer - BAER H.C. 40 (Nineteen Rounds Of .40 S&W Firepower)
http://www.lesbaer.com/HC40.html
jdc1244
January 7, 2009, 10:03 PM
Favorite steel framed .40?
Another vote for the 75B – I can highly recommend it.
Another vote for the 75B – I can highly recommend it.
metalmachine
January 7, 2009, 11:40 PM
Sig 229
earlthegoat2
January 8, 2009, 12:21 AM
If he has owned that many HPs then he should know better. Let me guess they are all 9mm.
Nonetheless the 40 BHP is quite a contender if only steel frames are being considered.
Nonetheless the 40 BHP is quite a contender if only steel frames are being considered.
Kelly J
January 8, 2009, 12:36 AM
This is the weapon I carry at the present time. It is an EAA Witness Elite Match .40 S&W. I can convert it to 10mm Auto, by changig barrel, recoil spring, and mags. Hard to conceal, and at 32 Oz. empty it's heavy, but an accurate shooter. I have used an inpant Small of the Back Rig, A Galco Shoulder Rig, and a Belt Slide Holster, I prefer the Belt side, but in the summer it is real hard to hide.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/cobra44_2006/MATCH.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/cobra44_2006/MATCH.jpg
CPshooter
January 8, 2009, 02:50 AM
My favorite, THIS:
Some Sigs do have stainless frames.
229 stainless frame elite .40 porn:
http://i17.tinypic.com/4mbwi6w.jpg
+1!!!
But why go to steel if polymer does the job just fine? It just makes carrying more of a hassle. If you had to have all-steel and .40s&w, the Sig is a great choice. A 1911 chambered in .40 is great too, but why not just go to .45acp:)
Some Sigs do have stainless frames.
229 stainless frame elite .40 porn:
http://i17.tinypic.com/4mbwi6w.jpg
+1!!!
But why go to steel if polymer does the job just fine? It just makes carrying more of a hassle. If you had to have all-steel and .40s&w, the Sig is a great choice. A 1911 chambered in .40 is great too, but why not just go to .45acp:)
armoredman
January 8, 2009, 03:19 AM
Had a Witness 40, the first Witness marked 40 in the US. Good solid pistola. Would love to try a CZ-75B in 40, but not yet.
CZF
January 8, 2009, 03:31 AM
P-06.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/main088.png
Alloy framed and tough as nails! Just some P-01
goodness with .40 flavor.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/p98.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/main088.png
Alloy framed and tough as nails! Just some P-01
goodness with .40 flavor.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/p98.jpg
Gunfighter123
January 8, 2009, 11:57 AM
I agree with Kelly J --- a EAA Witness in .40 recoils like a 9mm.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/Jailbird123/DSC01504.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/Jailbird123/DSC01504.jpg
eerw
January 8, 2009, 11:59 AM
CZ SP01 in .40
great gun..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/eerw/My%20stuff/sp0140a.jpg
great gun..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/eerw/My%20stuff/sp0140a.jpg
Kelly J
January 8, 2009, 12:46 PM
This was my first outing with the EAA after I bought it.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/cobra44_2006/TanfoglioEliteMatch40SWRangeSession.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/cobra44_2006/TanfoglioEliteMatch40SWRangeSession.jpg
UnTainted
January 8, 2009, 07:33 PM
You missed some orange there!
Kelly J
January 8, 2009, 08:11 PM
I hate it when that happens.
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