Comparison of an FNAR and an M1A (on order)?


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1858
January 3, 2009, 10:58 PM
I ordered a Springfield Scout Squad in Mossy Oak back on 11/10 for $1,499.99 along with two 20 round M14 M1A Magazines (USGI New) for $41.99 each for a grand total (including shipping and FFL fee) of $1,733.97. Since placing that order, the price of the M1A alone is now $1,799.99 and I doubt that the company is going to honor the price on my original order. Today at my local gun shop, I was thoroughly checking out an FNAR with the heavy fluted barrel. It comes with one 20 round magazine, a hard case, three interchangeable cheekpieces, three butt pads and five shims to fine tune the cast and drop. The total price (including tax) is $1,699.75. The store owner told me he'll include one additional 20 round magazine for free and FN has a coupon for a shooting mat (valued at $180 ... :confused:).

So my options now are to ...

1. Wait for the M1A to come in and hope that the order price is honored. If it isn't, I'll be paying just under $2,000 compared to the original $1,733.99.

2. Buy the FNAR for the price shown and cancel the M1A order.

3. Buy something else.

4. Don't buy anything.

It seems to me that there are a number of similarities and differences between the M1A Scout and the FNAR. Here are some of the main features.

M1A
18" six-groove 1:11 RH twist barrel with proprietary muzzle stabilizer
Parkerized
Detachable magazine (10 round with 20 round option)
Iron sights
Scout scope mount
Gas piston
2-stage military trigger 5 - 6lb
40.3" (L)
9.3lb (W)

FNAR
20" four-groove 1:12 RH twist heavy fluted barrel with chrome lining and target crown
Parkerized
Detachable 20 round magazine
Multiple MIL-STD 1913 rails
Gas piston
41.5" (L)
10.0lb (W)

I'd really be interested to hear some thoughts on what you think is good/bad about either rifle. I will agree at the start that the M1A is a much better looking rifle but I've read some articles that claim that the stock on the FNAR is very ergonomic as is the pistol grip. The fact that the stock is adjustable (cheekpiece, LOP, cast, drop) should be a plus. I found it very comfortable to hold/aim and the balance with the heavy barrel was good. The trigger was ok, the position of the slide release makes it fairly easy to operate with the index finger of the left hand underneath the forend. The lack of iron sights is a problem although it might be possible to mount front/rear sights to the top rail (short sight radius though). How about accuracy? The FNAR is supposed to be sub MOA with factory ammunition so how does that compare to the M1A Scout?

Thanks.
:)

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mattw
January 3, 2009, 11:05 PM
I'd go with the M1A for the following reasons:

- Much more aftermarket support
- Much easier to find magazines
- Much more common operating system (gunsmiths will know it, you can pick up spare parts just about anywhere)
- Battle proven design
- Better sights
- Lighter

And parkerizing and manganese phosphate are the same thing. Also I'm not sure about FN's warranty policy, but any Springfield Armory weapon has a lifetime warranty.

J32A2
January 3, 2009, 11:12 PM
Good things come to those who wait!!

taliv
January 3, 2009, 11:23 PM
The FNAR is supposed to be sub MOA with factory ammunition

they've been flying off the shelves around here, but i don't know anyone who's actually shot one, much less brought a sub MOA group back to the gun shop to brag

Jaws
January 4, 2009, 12:16 AM
I found this on FN forum. It may help you a bit:

They have a whole section dedicated to FNAR. Is not much tho.

http://www.fnforum.net/viewforum.php?f=99


I actually had time today to hit the range, and this is what I found out about shooting my FNAR for the first time.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p310/joe800mw/guns/fnarleft.jpg
I was shooting with a Harris lightweight bipod with 6” extension and a Nikon buckmark 4.5 x 14 scope with a BDC reticle. There was a slight 6mph wind at my back, and temp was 38F on a clear day.

South African surplus ammo with a R1M1 headstamp easily grouped five rounds at 1.25” @ 100 yds.
Wolf ammo with the dark colored cases had a five round average of 2.50“ @ 100 yds.
Next was to be my super accurate 168 gr Hornaday A-max rounds that I reload for my other rifles. Those reloads easily shoot .40” @ 100 yds in my Remington LTR. Because I was so eager to go shoot (first time in 6 weeks) I grabbed a box of reloads that I was working up months ago. They are made with US army surplus 147gr bullets used in the M80 round. That is just plinking ammo nothing accurate about that stuff, so I did not bother shooting at the 100yd dirty bird targets, and saved them for the silhouette range.

Now that I had my scope zeroed, I moved up to the silhouette range. There is a chicken (220 yds), pig (330 yds), turkey (430yds) and a ram (550 yds) steel targets. First up was the chicken, I could set the scope at 14x magnification and fire two rounds every second and hit the chicken all day long. Not really a challenge but it was fun making music with the bullets hitting the steel plate. The pig target slowed my fire rate down to a shot per second with about 90% hit rate. The turkey and ram took some serious concentration to hit those targets. At those ranges using surplus ammo and dealing with the wind I was only good for a 40% hit rate.

The thump from the 7.62 x 51mm round does loosen up the bipod mount screw. So about every 15 rounds or every mag reload I would have to reach forward and tighten the bipod to the rifle to keep things sturdy. The nikon scope is fantastic with the BDC reticle.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p310/joe800mw/guns/ret.jpg
The circles are large enough to allow me to see the target. The 200, 300, 400, 500yd circles allowed me to shoot from the 220yd to the 430yd to the 330yd target quickly and easily without have to make any adjustments to the scope.

The FNAR had a flawless performance, no jams, no FTF, FTE, or any refusal to go into battery incidents. All the shells were ejected about seven feet away from me at 4 to 5 o’clock position. The shells are in excellent shape when ejected with only a slight dent to the mouth of the case that should be easily reshaped with the sizing die. It will take a few reloads to find out if the mouth of the case will split after X number of reloads but I would think I should be able to get at least five reloads per shell easily with a mild powder load.

I finished the day shooting about 115 rounds. I did have a carhartt jacket, a light sweater underneath and the thickest shoulder pad that comes with the FNAR. My shoulder is not really sore so the recoil was much better than shooting my LTR bolt action. I am usually only good for 50 rounds with a bolt action rifle or about 85 rounds shooting my M1A1 before things start to get uncomfortable. Overall I am really happy with my FNAR. I am sure it is capable of shooting sub MOA with some match type ammo. Next time out I will take some and post pics of the targets.


Gunblast has a review but the site is down right now.

http://www.gunblast.com/FN-AR.htm

1858
January 4, 2009, 12:49 AM
they've been flying off the shelves around here, but i don't know anyone who's actually shot one, much less brought a sub MOA group back to the gun shop to brag

I don't get it ... who the heck is buying these rifles? I can't find any definitive reports either ... just vague descriptions and lots of excuses.

Jaws, thanks for the link ... I've been looking through the numerous posts but have yet to find anything definitive.


- Much more aftermarket support
- Much easier to find magazines
- Much more common operating system (gunsmiths will know it, you can pick up spare parts just about anywhere)
- Battle proven design
- Better sights
- Lighter

matt, some good points although I would make a few modifications to your list.

Much more aftermarket support ... true but is that important? The only aftermarket item that would interest me would be a trigger ... everything else mounts to the rails as they do on AR15, M1A etc

Much more common operating system (gunsmiths will know it, you can pick up spare parts just about anywhere) ... isn't the FNAR gas system based on the M1A system? I'm not sure about parts.

Battle proven design ... no argument there.

Better sights ... true for iron sights but the FNAR rail is superior to scope mounts typically used on the M1A ... I have no idea about the scout rail.

Lighter ... only just and not enough to be significant. Once you add a mount to the M1A (assuming you're not using the scout mount) they're probably very close in weight.

Anyway, good stuff and I hope to get more feedback. The lack of reviews bothers me though. I can't believe that this rifle is so new that no one has been able to put together some hand loads, shoot some groups at 100 yards and post the results. Makes me wonder if this rifle is popular with the younger crowd that don't reload ... perhaps.

:)

chauncey
January 4, 2009, 12:50 AM
if you are looking at a FNAR you should also consider a Remington 740/7400. the only difference is magazine capacity, and since it doesn't look evil it will be a lot less expensive.

sorry, I just don't think the FNAR is a military-style weapon. it's a hunting-style rifle with a high-cap mag and synthetic stock, very different than an M1A.

try shooting it with open sights or field-stripping it, and you'll understand the difference.

1858
January 4, 2009, 01:01 AM
try shooting it with open sights or field-stripping it, and you'll understand the difference.

It doesn't have any iron sights and I've heard that stripping it down is a real PITA!

The fact that it's built on an old design (the BAR sporting semi-auto) doesn't bother me ... heck, the M1A isn't exactly a modern design. In fact, how many innovative, modern designs are there? The Stoner design or AK-47 and the numerous offspring are all 50 or so years old.

Either way, I'm still researching my options and wish I had more first-hand accounts of the FNAR. The M1A has been around so long that it's a known quantity.

:)

lipadj46
January 4, 2009, 03:03 AM
The FNAR is an unproven rifle based on the BAR hunting rifle actions from the 60's and the M1A is based on the M14 and that on the Garand both highly regarded American military rifles. The only thing the FNAR has on the M1A is the built in rail though the LRBs have that too. I would go M14 all day any day until the FNAR has proven otherwise.

Jaws
January 4, 2009, 03:19 AM
If everyone was thinking this way we would be still hunting/fighting with stones and sticks.:neener::p

Gewehr98
January 4, 2009, 03:24 AM
It's a tacticool modification of the Browning BAR sporting rifle.

No different, really, than what Arms Tech did for a while with their Browning (aka, FN) BAR-based Interdiction Rifle, as supplied in limited quantities to the U. S. Army in the countersniper role a decade or so ago.

http://mauser98.com/interdiction.jpg

At least the older Arms Tech version had a decent McMillan stock, vs. the leftover thing intended for the FN Tactical Shotgun. :(

lipadj46
January 4, 2009, 04:28 PM
If everyone was thinking this way we would be still hunting/fighting with stones and sticks

Well the M14 is still going strong and probably would see wider use today if much of the M14 arsenal was not chopped up in the 90's. Of course it will be replaced by something better eventually but I do not believe it is going to be replaced by the FNAR.

utahvarminter
January 4, 2009, 04:40 PM
m1a is prettier :)

natescout
January 4, 2009, 08:59 PM
+1 on the M1A ( i like the scout/bush ) wait for your M1A ,no experience with the FNAR, have you looked at the Browning BAR ShortTrac Stalker , great caliber options , standard plus WSM calibers ?

1858
January 4, 2009, 09:27 PM
+1 on the M1A ( i like the scout/bush ) wait for your M1A

That's what I've decided to do and if the price is too high when it gets here I'll pass on the Scout. I just can't find anything on the internet that gives me enough confidence to buy the FNAR. It may well turn out to be a great firearm and if there were more reviews, range reports, reliability reports, shot targets etc I probably would have bought one already. On paper it should be considerably more accurate than the M1A Scout given that heavy, fluted, four-groove barrel, but sub MOA accuracy isn't my only consideration. The lack of iron sights is a problem for me ... plus it is kind of ugly looking ... it's a lot nicer "in person" though and I can attest to its ergonomic feel.

I just took a look at the Browning BAR ShortTrac Stalker ... definitely not for me .... but thanks.

:)

Remington 700
January 4, 2009, 09:43 PM
Battle proven reliability, you cant go wrong with that.Plus McMillian has great stock for them and Troy Industries can make them look like an AR-15 look at Sage Tactical also

1858
January 4, 2009, 09:49 PM
and Troy Industries can make them look like an AR-15

I was looking at Troy's site today ... talk about expensive!! The stocks for the M1A/M14 cost $1000 or more!! :eek: They're probably very functional and I'll certainly be considering something along those lines in the future.

:)

barry960
January 21, 2009, 05:07 AM
Today I went down to the local gun store and discovered the FNAR, which I was suprised I hadn't heard of or read about before hand at all. They had one M1A there too. I held an M1a for the first time, then handled the heavy barrel AR, and based on handling, liked the AR better. It just seems so comfortable, and the M1A seems so bulky to me. The price is an issue to me too, the M1A was a California model on consignment and priced at $1500, the new ARs $100 less. My hesitations are: no iron sights, not that big a deal to me, but kind of lame, the magazines are proprietary and special, didn't see how much for extra mags, but you know right from the start there won't any military surplus ones wrapped in greasy paper, and I like bayonet lugs whenever possible. I can let these slip, and it's more a sniper rifle than a battle rifle, so not really a bayonet type rifle, but I like that little extra level of patriotic defiance. I also like the idea of possibly using bayonet lugs for flashlight or bipod mounting.(I know the AR has standard tri rails though)

cat9x
January 21, 2009, 10:03 AM
i'd say if the action has stood up to 42 years of hard hunting and sporting use then it's a pretty proven design. The MKI Bar has been around since 1967 and the FNAR is a derivative of that original action.

Having said all that, i'd go with the M1A :)

cat9x
January 21, 2009, 10:19 AM
*double post*

Marty
January 29, 2009, 08:41 PM
Rember that the M1a and AR's are proven battle rifles. The FNAR is a sniper rifle. Thats apples and oranges. I have a SOCOM-16 M1a. The trigger is heavy, the saftey is loud and cumbersom. The telescoping stocks of the ARs are not intended for shooters comfort. It seems to me that the FNAR is designed to be a shooters rifle and not a fighters tool. I would go for the FNAR

taliv
January 29, 2009, 10:47 PM
I've heard a lot of complaints about rifles before but "loud safety" is a new one :)

lipadj46
January 29, 2009, 11:04 PM
Rember that the M1a and AR's are proven battle rifles. The FNAR is a sniper rifle. Thats apples and oranges. I have a SOCOM-16 M1a. The trigger is heavy, the saftey is loud and cumbersom. The telescoping stocks of the ARs are not intended for shooters comfort. It seems to me that the FNAR is designed to be a shooters rifle and not a fighters tool. I would go for the FNAR

The FNAR is not a sniper rifle until someone starts to use it as such it is more a DM rifle. The M14 was configured as an actual sniper rifle in the M21 and M25 and was used is still being used today by the US military as sniper and DM rifles. Can you say the same about the FNAR? I highly doubt the FNAR trigger is any better than a well adjusted 2 stage M14 trigger, your SOCOM does not have a match trigger like say a loaded or nat'l match does. If your safety is loud and cumbersome you need to use it some more. The FNAR seems to be to be a cobbled together rifle by FN to use an action they own in order to try to get in on some of the DMR contract action, but the rifle to replace the M14 has already been chosen and it is not the FNAR.

You surely should buy it if you want and I'm sure it's an excellent rifle but don't make it what it is not. It is a "lite" tactical facelift of a hunting rifle. The M14 is a battle proven design and much beloved by those who had the privilege to carry one in their short time in the limelight.

desidog
January 29, 2009, 11:09 PM
I was contemplating an M1A Scout...til the prices went up and availability wasn't there....i ended up with an M1A loaded for 1850. i know it's not apples for apples, but i'm very pleased with what i got.

If you aren't set on the shorter barrel, (as i guess since you're thinking about the FNAR (which i know little about)) i'd get a regular M1A and an ultimak forward rail....they're steel, not aluminum like on the Scout rail, and you could probably be into it for a similar price. (the ultimak doesn't work on the thicker loaded's barrel...)

Also, the fixed sites are nice, and a Gen3 scope mount doesn't preclude your using them - can't do that with the FNAR!

1858
January 29, 2009, 11:36 PM
I decided to pass on the FNAR weeks ago ... I'm still waiting to see what the price will be for the M1A Scout version if it ever comes in. If it's still at $1500 or thereabouts I'll buy it ... if it's $1800+ then I could care less about owning one and I'll find something else to enjoy.

:)

Coronach
January 30, 2009, 12:49 AM
IMO, M1A > FNAR

YMMV, JMO, IANAL.

Mike :D

gga357
January 30, 2009, 01:21 AM
The FNAR and M1 are two different rifles I think it would be best to have both. I started with the FNAR.

Bill_Rights
January 30, 2009, 11:50 AM
I'm with gga357. My FNAR has shipped and should be here in a few days. If this thread is still active in a few weeks, I'll let you know about groups, handling, etc.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
January 30, 2009, 11:59 AM
Is the FNAR more or less a glorified Browning BAR? [Edit: Oops, sorry, question answered already.]

Also, it seems to me to be a poor name choice, to use "AR" as part of a name for a rifle that has nothing to do with the ubiquitious AR type rifles.

I've heard a lot of complaints about rifles before but "loud safety" is a new one

Actually that one is a consideration I take into account. I don't like loud safeties. I want to be able to make unsafe very quietly when a deer is sneaking toward me.

H2O MAN
January 30, 2009, 12:27 PM
Get the M14 type rifle and be happy.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
January 30, 2009, 12:31 PM
Get the M14 type rifle and be happy.

And as a bonus, in the process, bulk up your arm muscles lugging that boat anchor around. :eek: Sorry, had to take that cheap shot since I just got a sub-8 lb DPMS LR 260L. :p

Funderb
January 30, 2009, 12:31 PM
1. Wait for the M1A to come in and hope that the order price is honored. If it isn't, I'll be paying just under $2,000 compared to the original $1,733.99.


I wouldn't hope, but call, talk and actively ENSURE that your agreement is honored, if they refuse, buy from the gunshop. Make sure they know you won't be going to them any more.

H2O MAN
January 30, 2009, 12:46 PM
That's not really a cheap shot... .260 Rem ammo runs about $2.00 per round.

The FNAR is heavier than the M1A :eek:

lipadj46
January 30, 2009, 03:27 PM
Actually that one is a consideration I take into account. I don't like loud safeties. I want to be able to make unsafe very quietly when a deer is sneaking toward me.

You need to learn how to use an M14 safety properly with one finger in front and one behind you can get it to disengage without noise (an old marine taught be that one). Also like I said above it needs to be broken in a bit. If you just click it on by pushing or pulling without "padding" it with the second finger yes it can be loud like my marine friend said it is a training issue and getting to know your rifle is critical.

1858
January 30, 2009, 03:59 PM
I wouldn't hope, but call, talk and actively ENSURE that your agreement is honored, if they refuse, buy from the gunshop. Make sure they know you won't be going to them any more.

The order was placed with www.ImpactGuns.com and they specifically state that there's no guarantee on the price until the item arrives if it's on back order. That said, when I ordered an AI bipod (around $300) which didn't arrive for six months, they honored the original price. This would be my fourth rifle purchase from them, plus I bought both AICS stocks from them along with a bunch of magazines. Maybe they'll want to keep me happy, maybe not.

:)

Marty
January 30, 2009, 07:40 PM
Alright I misspoke. I got to reading the propaganda. The FNAR is not a sniper rifle. It is a tricked out Browning BAR sporting rifle. Nothing wrong with that.
I did not know the trick about using two fingers to take a M1 off saftey. Not sure that makes me like that type of saftey any better.
I havent shot my SOCOM 16 M1a enough to break it in. It is too damm loud with that 16" barrel and muzzel break to enjoy shooting. One shot without ear protection and you are done for the day. And I don't like the milatary two stage trigger.
I guess it depends on how you want to use it. The FNAR is not a battle rifle and the M1a is not a sporting rifle. Just like you could clean a deer with a K-Bar and fight with a Buck knife, but given the option pick the right tool.

1KPerDay
January 30, 2009, 07:42 PM
One shot without ear protection and you are done for the day.
Well, duh.

H2O MAN
January 30, 2009, 08:28 PM
Quote:
One shot without ear protection and you are done for the day.
1KPerDay Well, duh.

:) No kidding

Take a look at the muzzle device kit Smith Enterprise, Inc makes for the SOCOM.

It allows you to run a DC Vortex flash eliminator and standard USGI front sight.
If you are so inclined, you can also run a .30 cal DC sound suppressor from SEI/FEI :evil:

roughedges
February 21, 2009, 02:25 AM
I donít know crap about statistics and really donít care, I like to find out for myself. I have an M1A, a Remington 700P and I just got the FNAR in heavy. I am using a Leupold Mark 4 Long Range/Tactical 3.5-10x40mm on the Remington and Nikon Monarch Riflescope 2.5-10x42 on the M1A and the FNAR. First off I have to say that I love my Remington and would not change it for anything, it is accurate and reliable, but with that said I can only get about 50/60 shots out before I am starting to hate life. The FNAR hardly has any recoil on it and with both the M1A and the FNAR at 500 yards (nice day) I am shooting tight groups. I was not sure about the FNAR at first, just because it was so damn ugly and at first it was hard to field strip, however once I got used to it, it was extremely easy to clean and strip down. I really did like the M1A before I got and shot the FNAR, but I have since changed my mind It is easy to shoot, it is accurate, it feels good in the hands and against the shoulder and now that I know what I am doing it is easy to field strip and clean. Donít get me wrong I still love the M1A. I really can careless about more accessories or putting more crap on it, I am not a big fan of weighting down a rifle. I did have some issues with the bipod getting loose, but I think a friend of mine found a fix for it. Once I know I will post again and I will post some pictures very soon. My next purchase will be the Blaser R93 Tactical, hey a man can never have to many guns. Perhaps someday I will buy a Barrett 50 cal. (If the old lady will let me) Nothing says buy me a new gun like a new ring guys:D. Oh, and by the way I paid $1300 for my FNAR through Gunbroker.com, seriously look around before you buy, I have never really paid much for my weapons.

Bill_Rights
February 25, 2009, 03:54 PM
roughedges,

Some FNAR owners are breaking a screw upon reassembly after field strip. You might want to check out this thread http://fnforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=13373 on the FNForum forum (hmmm...) in case you haven't stripped that far down. But if you have, you've either got good mechanical "feel" or you lucked out with a non-defective screw.

Comments appreciated.

roughedges
March 1, 2009, 06:51 PM
I donít know if its luck, or if itís me just being anal about the way I clean my equipment, but I have had no problems with the screw at all. With that said, I have heard of a few people that have had that problem and I was told if it happens you can contact FNH and they will replace it for you. Not sure if it was/is a defective part or not, but I have had no problems other than with the tripod. I went out shooting with a buddy of mine yesterday, he is an ex Seal and fell in love with the rifle and now wants one for himself. I do love the rifle, but I would be lying if I said it was my favorite, I still love my Remington 700 best, it is probably the most reliable and accurate civilian rifles I have ever fired and would never trade it, not even for the FNAR. I guess my biggest problem is at my age I just hate the friggen recoil, I have been shooting for many years as a scout and as a civilian and I think over the years it has just messed up my shoulder and clavicle:banghead:. One last thing, if anyone is thinking about buying one, I would not pay more than $1400 for it, I have seen them going for as much as $1600 - $1800 and that is just plain insanity, I like the rifle, but not that much.

What's the first thing you feel when you shoot a person?

roughedges
March 2, 2009, 07:21 PM
Okay, as promised I said if my friendís idea worked on the tripod I would share it with everyone. Anyhow it worked, we used Loctiteģ on the screw and because it vibration resistant, heat resistant and moisture resistant, it worked like a charm. We just put a little bit on it, not too much and shot 200 rounds through the FNAR without the tripod coming loose or vibrating at all. So I also went ahead and put it on my other rifles tripod and also on my scopes. I have not had any problems since I started to use this stuff. If anyone is wondering what kind of Loctiteģ we used, we used the Loctiteģ Threadlocker Blue and it was not to expensive, I think it cost about $6.99, you do not need to buy the bigger one, because you do not need to use to much of this stuff. I have also attached the link for Loctite, in case anyone has any questions about it.

http://www.loctiteproducts.com/products/detail.asp?catid=10&subid=48&plid=153

Don't try to run. You'll only die tired! :evil:

roughedges
March 2, 2009, 09:59 PM
Sorry guys and girls and meant to say Bipod, not Tripod, my bad.

Bill_Rights
March 3, 2009, 12:54 AM
Roughedges,

I lost ya there, Buddy, on the bipod. Please point me to where you described the problem. Thanks.

roughedges
March 3, 2009, 02:01 PM
This was a comment on page one where someone was having problems with there bipod loosening after shooting his FNAR. Anyhow, I found that I had the same problem with my bipod on my FNAR, after shooting several rounds; my bipod would start to loosen up and jiggle like a big set of cans on a blonde. My first comment on this subject was a typo; I had tripod on the mind because my friend and I were talking about spotters before I posted my comment. Anyhow back to what I was saying, I had a friend that said he had a fix for it and I had promised the guy that asked about it, and if it works that I would put on the board, what I used and how it worked out. I was so happy with the loctite that I have since put it on the screws of all my bipods and screws to my scopes. I know this is getting a little confusing, but hope I was able to clarify in some manner.

If you kill someone and it makes the world a better place, is it so wrong?

Beagle-zebub
March 3, 2009, 03:20 PM
I assume that "FNAR" is a play on "BAR," differing due to its being marketed as an FN rather than Browning. They are otherwise the same rifle.

Bill_Rights
March 4, 2009, 01:45 AM
Beagle,

FNAR = Fabrique Nationale Autoloading Rifle

FN bought Browning several years ago. "Inherited" the 1960s Browning BAR Short-Trac (and similar, like on Sierra) action. Re-engineered and re-used in the FNAR.

Same rifle? You gotta be kidding.

FN took a good ole' proven semi-auto action, re-worked the receiver to fit a horsey precision barrel and high-cap mags. Redid the stocks and ergonomics completely. And put the FN sweet-smooth recoil engineering on it that their FNP pistols are known for (I guess a combo of sheer mass, moving weight, timing, gas flow tailoring and spring rates).

What more does a company have to do to have a "new rifle" vs "the same rifle"?

Who cares. I have one, and its a "good rifle".

Bill_Rights
March 4, 2009, 02:00 AM
Roughedges,

I looked onthe first page of this thread for the bipod issue and found a post by member "Jaws" http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5210274&postcount=5 . I guess that's what you're referring to. Do you have the same Harris "lightweight" bipod? A model # and photo of your bipod would be nice, if its any different.

I am messing around with a Versa-Pod Model 2 bipod. It is intentionally "sloppy" because it is designed for varmint hunting on hillsides, etc. It has about +/- 30 degrees side-to-side and up-and-down tilt, without un-planting the legs from the dirt. It seems like it will not give good rigid support for bench shooting of precision groups, however. I hope to try it on paper groups in the next few days.

I'll let you know. Maybe we should start a new thread just on bipods, though you seem to be all set w/ yours....

bfoosh006
March 4, 2009, 03:16 AM
BTW, you can get CMI/ G.I. Issue mags form here cheaper http://www.44mag.com/products.asp?dept=1318 or herehttp://palmettostatearmory.com/m14m1a.php and I would go with the M1A.

roughedges
March 4, 2009, 06:39 PM
That is exactly what I was talking about.

Bill_Rights
March 4, 2009, 06:58 PM
Roughedges,

That is exactly what I was talking about. Which is? The lightweight Harris bipod like Jaws' or a wobbly bipod because it was designed to be aimed without un-planting the legs from the ground? (I mean, I know, yours got even wobblier because a screw loosened.) But after fixing the loose screw, how rigid is it?

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