[loben]

Hi to everybody, I hesitate between an R&S from Euroarms or Pedersoli, has anyone tested really the difference? quality of the steel, mechanic,...etc because price is so much different:eek:
Thanks for answers,

Loben from France:)

[mykeal]

I hesitate to answer as I have only handled and shot the Euroarms Rogers and Spencer. I have two, one is fully assembled and I've shot it many, many times. The other is in kit form and has not yet been assembled.

Neither gun is perfect in fit and finish but both are fine guns and well worth the price. Since I have not actually handled the Pedersoli I can't make a statement about comparative worth, but the Euroarms examples seem to me to be in the Uberti class for quality and worth the money. I hope that helps.

[loben]

Thanks for your answer, effectively, I have noticed that every gun is a raffle, and need strock of luck. I don't know the R&S in kit form, it doesn't exist in France (too bad) It's a good way to save money I imagine...

Loben

[Mike OTDP]

The Pedersoli is a better gun. The cylinder will align properly, and the parts will be of better quality. You will need to have the trigger tuned, but the basic gun is sound...not like many of the cheaper Italian repros.

But the best Rogers & Spencer is made by Feinwerkbau.

[loben]

I agre with you about Feinwerkbau, but the german abilities need sooo much money that I definitely cannot afford this one ! (However, I'm very interested in Pedersoli one)
Can you be more specific about the trigger ?
Thanks

[Mike OTDP]

The trigger is not very crisp. It is reasonably smooth, but with slide.

[BHP FAN]

I just got off of a Euroarms one.While a fine revolver,I prefer the Remington.The parts are more readily accessible.You have only to remove one screw,and you may remove the trigger guard ,and the workings are exposed for maintenance.The rammer on the Rodgers and Spencer is somewhat crude being modeled on the 1851 Navy,or Whitney,while the Remington is gear driven ,as on the 1860 Colt.Add to that the fact that you can get a pair of Remington's for what Pedersoli [let alone a Feinwerkbau] cost,and you may want to reassess your decision.Good shooting to you, whatever you decide.

[Mike OTDP]

No, you can get a pair of cheap Remington repros. If you want a good gun, you are going to pay for it. Period. Take a look at the prices for a Hege Army Match Maximum.

[madcratebuilder]

Pedersoli builds a fine gun, I would like to own more of them. I do have a older Armi Sanpaolo Rogers and Spencer. It is a very good shooter the fit and finish is as good as any Uberti I own.

The rammer on the Rodgers and Spencer is somewhat crude being modeled on the 1851 Navy,or Whitney,while the Remington is gear driven ,as on the 1860 Colt.Add to that the fact that you can get a pair of Remington's for what Pedersoli [let alone a Feinwerkbau] cost,and you may want to reassess your decision.Good shooting to you, whatever you decide.

I agree on the R&S ram design, almost an after thought, but you lost me on the "gear driven" part:confused:

Those Hege guns look very nice, price isn't all that bad, about what you would pay for a new ROA. So how much to ship to the states, damn this is going to be spendy.

[Mike OTDP]

FIE! Just checked the Hege site...they have either dropped the Army Match Maximum or are out of them. THAT was the gun to get. Superb accuracy.

I would not bother with anything they have on the site as of this moment...it's all Italian repros. Buy a FWB Rogers & Spencer and have done with it.

[loben]

Thanks to everybody for the advices, I will perhaps go to the Rem one day, for the moment, I'm still fond of the R&S shape and his "bad luck" history (I know, it's a little bit irrationnal). The only matter is the good quality of the gun, italian or german doesn't matter.

Anyway, my second choice would have been a Ruger old army (it seems a great quality gun) but it is forbidden in free selling in my country (bureaucratic stuff!!!) Too bad

Loben

[ArmedBear]

Here's the deal.

The Pedersoli AFAIK is a competition grade gun, like their Remington. Again, AFAIK they have progressive rifling.

The cheapest progressive-rifled Remington I've seen was $650, and as I recall, it was a Pietta.

I have a R&S from ASP (EuroArms bought them, and the tooling to make the gun). It's a cool piece. But, like the Uberti Remington, which I have and also like, it's not in the same league as a competition-grade revolver.

Now of course, we're talking about the Law of Diminishing Marginal Returns. As you know from other firearms, "not in the same league" doesn't mean they're THAT different.

A competition-grade revolver may be slightly superior, for many times the cost of a regular, quality gun -- same as a real custom 1911 will run you a lot of dough and it is only marginally better than a Springfield Loaded. That margin matters to competitive shooters, and to those with money to burn. It may, or it may not, matter to you.:)

But if price doesn't matter, get the Pedersoli. What the hell.

[loben]

I bow to your demonstration, you're perfectly right !! I understand that there is not so much difference between pedersoli & euroarms when there is a huge difference between their prices...
At the end, and in these times of crisis, I wil perhaps save money and being reasonable... I don't aim at competition but I like good quality objects, durable and solid..it was the purpose of my questions (and sorry for my bad english, I'm not fluent)
Loben

[arcticap]

Someone is selling a used Pietta Remington Shooter's Model with progressive rifling for a very reasonable price. Looking it up at Dixie Gun where they have user reviews, I was surprised to learn this:

I bought one of these guns about a year ago. I was totally shocked by the quality of the fit, finish and action. The cylinder has zero play – the only wheel gun that I have ever had with this unique quality. The only problem that I have is continuously embarrassing folks shooting the 3 screw Blackhawks (with nipples) as they are the only folks that I shoot against after I was forced to shoot open class.

I forgot to mention on my review that I had to go up to .464 balls before the gun would perform well. You can get a double mold from Rapine.

But not surprised to hear this:

This particular model is in my opinion the best of the Italian produced Remington revolvers. The action is smooth and the accuracy excellant. I have won a number of medals in competition with this revolver.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=4098

The revolver is supposed to use .457 balls, but .464's? I wasn't even able to find a replacement cylinder listed for it.

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

These revolvers are produced in Ohio. The frame is Peitta, The rest US made.
The barrel is 1-16 twist. Length is anything you want. Cyclinder is line bored.
Interal trigger adjustment. Locks up tighter than a Smith. Everything is hand
done and subred. Cost around 700.00 Don't get any better. This one I have
shot thousands of times. It will shoot as good or better than any accuerized
1911. This has been proven from a Ranson machine rest at 50 yds. You can get them "As Issue" or with target sights. Buy American
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/prizzel/0012_filtered.jpg

[riverdog]

I'll bite -- It may be American Made, but who makes it? A web address would be nice. TIA

[Dr.Rob]

The Eurorams R&S has some pretty rough machining on the cylinder, it's not 'pretty' but it works well.

[ratcollector]

have a pedersoli and it is very accurate, much more than any of my other cnb pistols. I use it for 'split the bullet' side matches in SASS. is as reliable as my ruger old armys just not as comfortable to shoot (R&S design, not maker)

[Dr.Rob]

The bluing of the Euroarms is thick (though it's got a few scratches now) but the wood isn't as pretty as some other pistols. I find it hard to cock one handed. It's still areally neat revolver. As for the machining, you can clearly see what I'm talking about here:

[Shultzhaus]

Loben - Don't worry about your English. It is as good as some of ours.

[English Bob]

The Feinwerkbau is a very well made revolver, but way too expensive to buy new, they also seem to loose their value quickly. I managed to find one second hand for less than half the price they cost new.

Had a Euroarms R&S a while back and liked it...it shot very well with no problems.

[loben]

Thanks to everybody, I've had some extras informations about R&S and it is fine.
All these BP guns arouse the enthousiasm!! Really!
The R&S is a special one ; no history, direct opposite of the Remington..

[loben]

Please, one more question, has the two models of R&S get the tag "Black powder only" and "made in Italy" and all these stuffs? I hate these tags on my Pietta because it is so obvious that these guns are only for blackpowder (It's like tagging the cigarettes with warnings!!)
Loben

[mykeal]

The 'Black Powder Only' sign is a safety warning. There are no assumptions or compromises when it comes to safety. If that's too difficult for you to accept, perhaps a less dangerous pasttime would be more appropriate.

[kwhi43@kc.rr.com]

Sorry I'm late with the repley. Gun is made by Rob Lewis of Ohio. He has been
making them for quite a few years. Anybody who is into the skrimish shooting
ought to know him. Has no web sight. The name of the company is "Tri-L"
I just have a phone no. I have several pistols that he has made for me.

[madcratebuilder]

Please, one more question, has the two models of R&S get the tag "Black powder only" and "made in Italy" and all these stuffs? I hate these tags on my Pietta because it is so obvious that these guns are only for blackpowder (It's like tagging the cigarettes with warnings!!)
Loben

I feel the same way Loben. It's the Tory court system at it's best:rolleyes: I have two early BP revolver that do not have the warning stamped all over the barrel, one Uberti and the other of unknown make.

Here's a few links for more R&S info.
http://www.civilwarguns.com/0005.html
http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/revolver-rogers-spencer.htm
http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/rogers-spencer-revolver.htm

The 'Black Powder Only' sign is a safety warning. There are no assumptions or compromises when it comes to safety. If that's too difficult for you to accept, perhaps a less dangerous pasttime would be more appropriate.

Jeez....chill out dude.

[mykeal]

Jeez....chill out dude.
I'm not the one who used the word 'hate'.

[loben]

Wow, wow,wow, peace please! I remove "hate". My vocabulary isn't so large... I could tell that I don't like these stamps because that is not historical for repros. It's an aesthetic reflexion...
At any case, (BP or not) they are weapons of course and they need to be greatly responsible...
Loben

[madcratebuilder]

I'm not the one who used the word 'hate'.

You need to take a Valium and then chill out.