(TN)Police shot by 30-30 Shotgun!!!


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Bowlcut
September 25, 2003, 07:12 PM
http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=1454402

he HEAT is on in Metro, HEAT meaning "Help Eliminate Armed Thugs." It's a new program designed crush the use of illegal guns in Nashville. And on Tuesday, police crushed the guns themselves.

Buried in a pile of rubble is part of the HEAT success story. More than 1,700 illegal guns have been confiscated by Metro Police over the last several months, and now they are reduced to scrap metal. It's the kind of day Metro Police Sergeant Phillip Sage likes, seeing weapons of destruction loaded into junk cars and lifted onto a conveyor belt. Their destiny: a grinding end.

Sage said, "It just kind of is mindboggling the things we, the police department, recover on the streets of Nashville. It's just unreal."

Sgt Sage knows the damage such a weapon can do. In 1981, he found himself on the receiving end of a 30-30 shotgun while answering a "Shots-fired" call.

"Every day I kind of knock on wood, say, 'Thank goodness I'm still alive, I'm still kicking, I can still do the job that I do,'" said Sage.

The job he does now includes helping destroy illegal guns - weapons designed for one purpose, to kill.

Acting Metro Police Chief Deborah Faulkner said, "That's what we're up against, but it's a mission that we've taken on gladly, and we'll fill this building up if we have to."

Officials know that even with a new concentrated assault on guns, they're just scraping the tip of the iceburg.

Faulkner said, "I just wonder how many more are out on the streets, because we don't get them all, there's not a way we can get them all. But at least these right here will no longer be used for something out on the streets."

For Sgt. Sage, each weapon crushed to bits is another person, maybe another officer, safe from harm.

"These guns will no longer be on the street commiting crimes in Nashville or anywhere else for that matter. It's wonderful," he said.

HEAT is a partnership between local, state, and federal law enforcement and prosecutors. Together they want to make sure anyone caught with an illegal gun faces the stiffest sentence the law allows.

Nationwide, violent crime has dropped by 1/3 over the past several years. But guns still play a major role. According to the ATF, there were 16,000 murders across the nation in 2001. 10,000 were commited with firearms. Over 1/3 of the victims were between the ages of 13-24. Half of the killers were in that same age range.

Melissa Penry for News 2 at 4 & 6 pm
9.23.03







Man that had to hurt with a 30-30......
and that is saddening...all those guns gone.
and did you know more kids ages 1-9 die in 5 gallon bucket than by gun shot....i say ban the buckets

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J Miller
September 25, 2003, 07:28 PM
Well, I agree about not liking the guns being destroyed. They are not "illegal", they have been used illegally. It's a shame, they should be sold to citizens like they used to.

At any rate, as bad as destroying guns is, at least the gun makers are busy making more.

El Tejon
September 25, 2003, 07:30 PM
Weapons designed "to kill"! Who would have thought!:D

Maybe time for y'all to take a stroll on down Shiloh way.:rolleyes:

hammer4nc
September 25, 2003, 07:33 PM
For Sgt. Sage, each weapon crushed to bits is another person, maybe another officer, safe from harm.

"These guns will no longer be on the street commiting crimes in Nashville or anywhere else for that matter. It's wonderful," he said.

Ahh, but crimefighter Sgt. Sage is blissfully unaware of the evil concept of recycling, supported by the gun lobby, in which guns that he has "crushed to bits" are sent back to the smelter, with absolutely no controls whatsoever as to their future use. Little does he know that these guns may in fact be reborn again, as new and more powerful guns, free to roam the streets commiting [sic] crimes in Nashville or anywhere else. "Safe from harm" Sgt. Sage?

Quartus
September 25, 2003, 07:34 PM
Whar kin ah git wun uh them thuty thuty shotguns?


:what:


But don't start, boys. Let's not say anything about the stupid, willful ignorance of the average reporter. That wouldn't be understanding of us.


:barf:

Mark Tyson
September 25, 2003, 07:34 PM
"These guns will no longer be on the street commiting crimes in Nashville or anywhere else for that matter. It's wonderful," he said.

Those wicked guns, they will never learn, will they?

C.R.Sam
September 25, 2003, 07:35 PM
"These guns will no longer be on the street commiting crimes in Nashville or anywhere else for that matter. It's wonderful," he said. Yeah, right on there officer.
How bout crushin the crooks and auctioning the guns to honest people.
After returning the ones where the real ex owner can be found.

I wonder if that is a mistatement about the 30-30 shotgun or twas realy such. Doubt it would be much of a stopper.

I have a bit of 9mm rimfire shot stuff and there is not much punch there.

Of course....any firearm is a lethal weapon and getting one pointed at you is not having a good day.

Sam

Quartus
September 25, 2003, 07:41 PM
Sam? Is that you Sam? 6 lines? You wrote 6 lines?


6 LINES?


We don't often see Sam wax so garrulous! :what:



:D

jsalcedo
September 25, 2003, 07:50 PM
It would be great if a couple of big companies could pick up all the confiscated arms, check SN#s, return the stolen ones to the owners and
create a database where folks could prove ownership and reclaim lost guns.

Reclaimed C&R's could be sold online

The rest could be sold to gunshops around the country to cover the research costs and turn a tidy profit.

Maybe some could be donated to youth programs as well.

It doesn't hurt to dream.

sensop
September 25, 2003, 07:54 PM
Quartus, I'm still trying to figure out what Oleg could be holding over him to get him to agree to moderate in the first place.:cool:

Cosmoline
September 25, 2003, 08:11 PM
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"These guns will no longer be on the street commiting crimes in Nashville or anywhere else for that matter. It's wonderful," he said.
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Oh, lord it would be worthy of Mel Brooks if it weren't so tragic.

:D

Ed Brunner
September 25, 2003, 08:17 PM
Another golden one from C.R.Sam.

Way to go Sam. Thank you!

Quartus
September 25, 2003, 08:22 PM
sensop, I've wondered about that too. :D

AUTIGER04
September 25, 2003, 08:25 PM
30-30 shotgun?:confused: :scrutiny:

C.R.Sam
September 25, 2003, 08:26 PM
I'll tell ya when you're older.

Sam

Standing Wolf
September 25, 2003, 09:02 PM
The job he does now includes helping destroy illegal guns - weapons designed for one purpose, to kill.

If ignorance is bliss, the author of this screed must be the happiest individual in town.

Pumpkinheaver
September 25, 2003, 10:33 PM
30-30 shotgun hey, must have been one of them savage over unders! That or he don't know what the hell he's talking about, my guess is it's the later.

Hardtarget
September 25, 2003, 10:58 PM
I live in Nashville and I saw that news cast. One thing I noticed...not a pair of legs on any of those guns. Never have figured how all those guns get on the street by themselves. My guns are either lazy or genitic defects...I have to carry those things every where they go! And I think all the sights are fuzzy or the barrels are bent...they don't shoot as straight as they used to. :D
Mark.

Baba Louie
September 26, 2003, 12:03 AM
Once a good gun turns bad and starts committing crimes, it never ever returns to its honest ways guys, doncha know that? They LIKE being bad and committing eeeeevil acts, its more funner than sitting in a safe with the other goody-two-shoes type of guns.

A good friend of mine has an old Sears nickel plated lever action 30-30 (rifle, NOT shotgun) that was used in a mass murder back in KC, KS he got from a KCK Cop and he told me that he KNOWS it whispers bad things to the other guns in his safe trying to stir up trouble... Especially his Swede M-96 and his Swiss K-31 (never seen combat) but then his 03 and his Garand tell it to shut its cheap little nickel plated mouth or they'll kick its butt back to KC... and he says it shuts it up every time. Doesn't pay to mess around with the boys who've BTDT.

Thank goodness the Nashville Boys in Blue are putting an end to such things... Its for the... Children, of course.

Adios

Dr.Rob
September 26, 2003, 12:27 AM
I'll bet you a dollar the guns heading for the grinder have been picked over by Nashville's finest.

Wouldn't you be tempted?

Idaho
September 26, 2003, 12:35 AM
Repeal the death penalty for criminal guns!

(Make them serve life in prison - in my safe.)

sm
September 26, 2003, 01:34 AM
"illegal guns" , sorry but a firearm is not going to disharge by itself, it's the intent of the user.

So I guess this means we have "illegal vehicles" ? I don't recall anyone crushing these "illegal vehicles". I do believe the PERSON (s) driving a vehicle in the commission of a felony, (kidnapping, bank robbery...) were arrested.

maybe vehicles need to educate the firearms how to keep out of crusher...:rolleyes:

cpileri
September 26, 2003, 04:32 AM
Better go turn in all those 10 gauge Rimfire lapua Magnum bmg's.

MagKnightX
September 26, 2003, 06:45 AM
I have but one thing to say:

http://irreproducibleresults.keenspace.com/images/johnnytgunn.jpg

MuzzleBlast
September 26, 2003, 09:27 AM
Officials know that even with a new concentrated assault on guns, they're just scraping the tip of the iceburg.Scraping the tip of the iceBURG? So not only is this reporter ignorant and biased, she mixes metaphors and doesn't know how to use spell check.

buzz_knox
September 26, 2003, 10:15 AM
Back in '94, I took a tour of Metro's recovered weapons locker. Thousands of weapons, mostly crap, but some excellent ones as well: a Walther PPK, a Delta Elite, and an Uzi carbine. All were destined for the scrap heap.

I almost cried on my way out.

Zach S
September 26, 2003, 10:33 AM
Once a good gun turns bad and starts committing crimes, it never ever returns to its honest ways guys, doncha know that? Inanimate objects are bad for that. However, convicted muggers, bank robbers, child molesters, rapists and murderers can be re-habilitated in cell block C and deserve a second chance in society.

I, for one, am happy they crushed those evil guns and let these ppl out of prison.

Augustwest
September 26, 2003, 10:38 AM
weapons of destruction

:banghead: :cuss: :fire:

JCOJR
September 26, 2003, 10:51 AM
the 30-30 shotgun was a transcript error. Click on the link, then click on the camera icon and the actual story can be heard. Melissa Penry states that it was a 30-30 rifle used.

Other than that the story makes me angry.

Hutch
September 26, 2003, 02:19 PM
This reporter is too :cuss: dumb to pound sand. Urine-poor writer, too.

Sunray
September 26, 2003, 02:24 PM
"...Police shot by 30-30 Shotgun..." No, he wasn't. Inanimate objects can't do anything without human intervention..

DWS1117
September 26, 2003, 03:27 PM
Since when are Glocks, Ruger P-series, S&W Revolvers, and 10-22's illegal? Maybe the way they were used was illegal, but last I checked those guns are still legal.

Quartus
September 26, 2003, 05:20 PM
Did any of you check out the "If you were a millionaire....?" thread? Here's where I'd go into action if I had the money.

Form a bogus 'grass roots citizen's' group (ala MMM) and invite the good chief to receive an award (on behalf of the department, of course) for this outstanding work. Invite the press, mayor, governor, everybody. Hold it on the steps of city hall or some other impressive venue. Make a BIG deal out of it. Make a banner (size XXL!) with his idiotic statement on it to hang overhead.

"These guns will no longer be on the street commiting crimes in Nashville or anywhere else for that matter. It's wonderful."


Have some sample guns present. Present the award with great pomp and splendour. Interveiw the chief. Play dumb.

"Well, chief, what crime did THIS rifle commit?"

Cheif tells the shocking story of how it was found in the possession of some lowlife doing something bad.

Play dumb. "Yes, that's interesting, and I'm glad you arrested that person, but... Is he still in jail, by the way?" Wait for answer. (If the answer is NO, trust me, you'll come back to that point!)


"Well, that's interesting, but as I was saying, what crime did THIS RIFLE commit?"

Play it dumb, but keep asking the question until he admits the rifle didn't do anything. Then, still playing the innocent dumb role, start asking those embarrassing questions about why he's blaming the gun, when he himself said it was the criminal who committed the crime.


The key to this is to NEVER get antagonsitic. And NEVER spout the pro-gun line. Make HIM tell the truth with your innocent questions.

Right out there in front of everyone.


"So, you're saying that the person who actually committed the crime is back out on the streets, but you've got this inanimate object in custody instead? Why is that? Can you tell us how that will reduce crime?"


Then maybe, since you had obviously been misled, withdraw the award. After all, it turns out they didn't do ANYTHING to reduce crime.




Ah, keep dreaming...

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