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goldie
January 7, 2009, 12:21 PM
I have seen alot of stupid & meaningless videos involving guns on youtube,& if they were passed around congress on a laptop,while debating the assault rifle issue, it wouldnt be good.one example is a guy with a robinson armament xcr firing rapid fire at a target as he moves closer,reloading clips & at the end,draws a pistol & fires at the target from a few feet away.to an anti gunner,these images might as well be someone in a mall or office shooting up the place. these videos are stupid & can be very damaging if used to help install legislation.i wish there was a way to remove these videos.these idiots are proving nothing with these videos, & its just the kind of evidence the dems need to screw us once & for all......

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Mike2
January 7, 2009, 12:24 PM
Agreed, sad part is these same idiots are typically the ones who commit crimes like you mentioned. Its a shamed that a small number of idiots ruin it for all the law abiding citizens.

kingpin008
January 7, 2009, 12:36 PM
To an anti gunner, these images might as well be someone in a mall or office shooting up the place.

To an anti-gunner, ANY images of gun use (except for LEOs) might as well be someone in a mall or office shooting up the place.

I've seen the XCR video you're talking about. It's a training demo, and a pretty good one.

I don't agree with labeling something like that "stupid" or "moronic" because of how one group of people who have already proven themselves unable to handle the concept of safe and responsible firearms ownership percieves it.

If anything, you should be pointing out THEIR videos are stupid and moronic. They're the ones pushing "common sense" legislation to "end gun violence" that is neither "common sense" nor does anything to "end gun violence".

Put plainly - place the blame where it belongs, not where you -think- it should based on what certain people might -think- of it.

scottgun
January 7, 2009, 12:37 PM
I would disagree. I support the 1st Amendment as much as I support the 2nd.

The vids that I have viewed look like people having some good ole fun with firearms.

The Fudd factor is high with this thread.

Duke of Doubt
January 7, 2009, 12:44 PM
The trouble is that sometimes a mental defective creates an unintentionally hilarious video which becomes camp all around the internet but fodder for anti-gunners, as with these examples from "shellshocked1918"/"Mauserboy48":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDgSOO_NL10&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaWDo53xkzc

hso
January 7, 2009, 12:46 PM
It's easy to become so used to the RKBA battle that we are sensitized to any video of an idget or criminal that misuses a firearm. While we wish they would go away, there's nothing we should legally do to make them go away. The very video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQwab9qJu0k&feature=related) referred to in the OP could be taken from any number of drills on mag change/firearm transition and only looks "bad" to the folks that are concerned about the use the video might be put to (just because the guy looks like he got his training on the internet doesn't mean he's not practicing a practical skill).

coloradokevin
January 7, 2009, 04:11 PM
The trouble is that sometimes a mental defective creates an unintentionally hilarious video which becomes camp all around the internet but fodder for anti-gunners, as with these examples from "shellshocked1918"/"Mauserboy48":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDgSOO_NL10&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaWDo53xkzc

Exactly what about those two videos creates fodder for the anti-gun crowd? In so far as I could tell, it was just your average "guy shooting his gun" video. Perhaps I missed something?

Deanimator
January 7, 2009, 04:34 PM
Morons on youtube

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–noun, plural -gies. 1. needless repetition of an idea, esp. in words other than those of the immediate context, without imparting additional force or clearness, as in “widow woman.”

Duke of Doubt
January 7, 2009, 05:32 PM
Coloradokevin, the kid in those videos violates a number of safe gun handling rules (my favorite is his cycling the loaded Mauser with the butt off his shoulder and the barrel pointed skyward), and more importantly, does so flippantly and in an attempt to impress. He also pulls a few "Hollywood" moves (like hurling the stripper over his shoulder). Watch them again. He's actually pretty funny.

pdowg881
January 7, 2009, 05:57 PM
So next time I don't just drop a stripper clip non chalantly I'm being "hollywood"?

I don't see how having the muzzle slightly raised to charge the magazine for one second and lowering it back down range as the bolt closes qualifies for cycling the rifle with the barrel pointed skyward. Hand nowhere near the trigger guard.

That's are extremely benign and normal shooting IMO.

(But that person behind the camera being entertained and laughing as his friend finishes safely firing off a mag is unnaceptable.) You shold never be entertained by shooting firearms. ;)

I may just not be watching closely but I honestly don't see how those videos have been picked out by you to show "mental defectives"

kingpin008
January 7, 2009, 05:57 PM
the kid in those videos violates a number of safe gun handling rules (my favorite is his cycling the loaded Mauser with the butt off his shoulder and the barrel pointed skyward)

What? How is pointing an empty gun skyward while readying a fresh stripper clip unsafe gun handling? And not only is the gun unloaded, the bolt is back. Not very likely to have an ND that way. And yes, the rifle wasn't socked completely into his shoulder. But it was pointed safely down-range the entire time he was shooting. That seems pretty safe to me.

And big deal, he tossed the empty stripper clip to the ground. Would you rather he set the rifle down, take a knee, and set it gently on the turf?

If that's what you're worried about and call "unsafe gun handling", I suggest you get yourself off the internet in a hurry - never know when you might come across a photo of a young lady with her ankle exposed. Now that would be something to get the heart racing!

In short - nothing in either of those videos was remotely unsafe.

goldie
January 7, 2009, 06:00 PM
in the end its just video evidence that can be used against us.its just too much information that do gooders could use to help re instate the ban & then some....

jbauch357
January 7, 2009, 06:06 PM
I think this one is classic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asiIoAZHHV8

average_shooter
January 7, 2009, 06:07 PM
in the end its just video evidence that can be used against us.its just too much information that do gooders could use to help re instate the ban & then some....

Or you could use it to educate those that aren't yet educated. There are many great education tools on YouTube as well. Use the moronic videos to show poor gun handling and what could go wrong and reiterate safety. Use the good training videos to train in proper methods of firearms handling.

Once again, as we have said many times before about firearms, these videos are tools, they can be used for good OR bad. How they are used is up to you, the user.

testar77
January 7, 2009, 06:09 PM
There's moron's on youtube???

All kidding aside, I couldn't agree with you more

akodo
January 7, 2009, 06:12 PM
Coloradokevin, the kid in those videos violates a number of safe gun handling rules (my favorite is his cycling the loaded Mauser with the butt off his shoulder and the barrel pointed skyward), and more importantly, does so flippantly and in an attempt to impress. He also pulls a few "Hollywood" moves (like hurling the stripper over his shoulder). Watch them again. He's actually pretty funny.

Pointing the firearm into the sky is generally considered a darn safe direction to be pointing it.

I see nothing wrong with cylcing the action and chambering a round without the butt of the gun on your shoulder.

Heck, some rifles I have known you put 3 in, push them down and slide the bolt forward just a bit, then put the 4th one in and slide the bolt home to have a 'full load' As it takes 2 hands, no way to shoulder it while doing that.

The closest thing I see to a safety error (and it is very minor) is in saiga video, it appears his finger is on the trigger before he shoulders the gun,

and there is absolutely nothing wrong with flinging the stripper clip.

Duke of Doubt
January 7, 2009, 06:12 PM
jbausch357, I'm ... speechless. Almost.

Now I get the perspective of the others. The kid in the videos I found is merely an amusing episode of "Mr. Bumbles Goes to the Gun Range" (who would not be tolerated around me at my range), but that's NOTHING compared the fatbody bump-firing (MAYBE) his Saiga into the water without even a backstop. Not to mention his other assorted poor gun handling.

Duke of Doubt
January 7, 2009, 06:15 PM
akodo, there's absolutely nothing wrong with lifting your pinky when you drink a beer, either -- but you just DON'T.

When I load from chargers or strippers, I put them into my pocket, or onto the table.

bamawrx
January 7, 2009, 06:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc


Not all videos are bad. This one teaches a very good lesson about large rifles and steel targets. ENJOY!

MIgunguy
January 7, 2009, 06:36 PM
these videos are stupid & can be very damaging if used to help install legislation.i wish there was a way to remove these videos.

I was thinking the same thing, especially when I saw all the ya-hoos bump-firing their semi-autos. Those would make any uninformed viewer think that all semi-autos are "full" auto. And all the real full-autos and suppressors on there, I wonder how many are actually NFA legal and not some garage job. I'm actually suprised we haven't heard of the ATF going after these guys, considering the job that they did on Olofsen. I think the weirdest was the guy shooting a full-auto AK w/ so many rounds that the foregrip caught fire (it's already burning when the video starts, maybe he helped it along with some lighter fluid and a zippo).

AK on fire http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAohtjG14c

Gunnerpalace
January 7, 2009, 06:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBQrUYe391M
I love that gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvxbfbYdzlA&feature=channel_page
Not bad considering all the jams it had.

:D

moooose102
January 7, 2009, 07:27 PM
to heck with them, what about the morons in WASHINGTON! you know, the ones that are making OUR lives miserable!? somehow, we need to figure out how to get OUR COUNTRY back from all the anti-everythings in washington!

yokel
January 7, 2009, 07:50 PM
The Second Amendment has for the most part been reduced to merely another form of recreation, entertainment, pastime and amusement.

MisterPX
January 7, 2009, 07:50 PM
Using to OP's first post, sounds like the guy is just training. If you feel that people shouldn't train, or that there shouldn't be semi auto's in public, maybe you need to go back to selling out gunowners.

I'm with scottgun on this one.

kingpin008
January 7, 2009, 08:19 PM
In the end its just video evidence that can be used against us. It's just too much information that do gooders could use to help re instate the ban & then some....

I'm sorry, but if you think a few Youtube videos are going to matter to the anti's, you've got another thing coming. If you haven't noticed, they're not exactly reality-based when it comes to their arguments, and most people know this very well. Putting forth a few amateur videos of people shooting recreationally and safely isn't going to sound the death knell for the Second Amendment.


Akodo, there's absolutely nothing wrong with lifting your pinky when you drink a beer, either -- but you just DON'T.

So you're the Shooting Technique Police now? What does it matter how the kid shoots, as long as he does it safely?

When I load from chargers or strippers, I put them into my pocket, or onto the table.


Congratulations.

What's your point?

The kid in the videos I found is merely an amusing episode of "Mr. Bumbles Goes to the Gun Range"

Mr. Bumbles, huh? Point out ONE safety violation. And by "safety violation", I mean an ACTUAL violaton, not just something that offended your sense of technique and decorum.

but that's NOTHING compared the fatbody bump-firing (MAYBE) his Saiga into the water without even a backstop. Not to mention his other assorted poor gun handling.

First of all, nice insult (fatbody). Real high-road of you. :rolleyes:

Secondly, he specifically points out that he knows that there are no people within three miles or so of the direction he's shooting in, as well as pointing out the dirt hill on the far side of the pond he shoots into. You can SEE the dirt hill. That's called a backstop.

And lastly, show us ONE safety violation in the video. He keeps the rifle in a safe direction, finger off the trigger, and magazine out until he's on target and ready to shoot.

If you're not going to base your posts on reality, I'm going to have to wonder if you're not a shill for the other side.

The Deer Hunter
January 7, 2009, 08:28 PM
Agreed, sad part is these same idiots are typically the ones who commit crimes like you mentioned. Its a shamed that a small number of idiots ruin it for all the law abiding citizens.

I hear what you are saying. It's always a small group of idiots ruining it for the rest of us.

Duke of Doubt
January 7, 2009, 08:33 PM
Kingpin, how the heck does he know there's nobody there? Is he shooting inside a mined zone?

The safety violations are too numerous to detail. I can't believe you're actually defending those guys, especially the fatbody. Do you know them or something?

kingpin008
January 7, 2009, 08:40 PM
That's right, avoid the question.

How does he know nobody's there? Well gee, there is the possibility he owns the land, or knows the area. Ever think of that?

And even if he doesn't, who are -you- to say, when -you- don't know him and have no idea where he is? Or do you know him, and just feel like talking crap on the internet?

Too many safety violations to detail, huh? That's ok - gimme one. Surely that's no big deal if there are so many, right? Choose your favorite, or the one that's so glaringly obvious. Your choice.

And I'm not defending those guys, even the "fatbody" - I'm pointing out the obvious, to the apparently oblivious. You are the one who started this by pointing out how horrendous the behavior is, yet you conveniently manage to dance and dodge whenever someone asks you to back up your arguments. The burden is on -you- to show us what you see that's so offensive.

And what's up with the insults? Kinda childish, don't you think? Oh, and you know who else uses childish insults and misdirection to avoid the fact that they're arguing from a position of ignorance and bias? That's right - anti's. But you wouldn't know anything about that, right?

Ball's in your court.

average_shooter
January 7, 2009, 08:43 PM
Duke of Doubt, I can't believe you're taking the low-road on this issue.

For all anybody knows, the people in the videos own the property on which they were shooting. Perhaps they are established ranges. In such cases it would be reasonable to believe nobody would be downrange of the firing.

It is ridiculous to assume he is being unsafe simply because you do not approve of the firearm being used or the way in which he discharged it.

In the videos you got such a kick out of I, and others, have an incredibly difficult time seeing any REAL safety violation being committed.

In the end, Duke, you seem to be just as emotional and detached from reality as those we collectively work so hard against regarding firearms ownership.

Also, why is this discussion in "Legal" instead of "General Gun Discussion?" I don't think there's really been a legal issue discussed here as of yet.

Duke of Doubt
January 7, 2009, 08:47 PM
I don't care if he owns all surrounding 100,000 acres.

Up here in Maine, huge swaths of land are owned by individuals, paper companies, land trusts and others. People wander onto them all the time. It's not trespassing if they are hunting and some hunting seasons literally never end around here. If some guy hit a hunter, or even a trespasser, during a recreational shoot on his own land, he could be liable for their death or injury.

Even if he WASN'T legally liable, would he laugh off killing another human being? Probably, given his execrable attitude and behavior.

As to the safety violations, the most obvious one is shooting at the surface of water.

expvideo
January 7, 2009, 08:50 PM
We can't change the fact that some people fear their own shadows.

Duke of Doubt
January 7, 2009, 08:53 PM
Oh, that's brilliant.

"Whaddaya need safety rules for? What are ya, yella?"

Hey, man; go play Russian Roulette for all I care. You're a big, brave man for it. No, I mean it.

Wait ... what are ya ... yella?

NeoSpud
January 7, 2009, 08:57 PM
Even if he WASN'T legally liable, would he laugh off killing another human being? Probably, given his execrable attitude and behavior.

Yeah, now I'm convinced, you're just trolling. Don't you have anything better to do? :rolleyes:

mr.trooper
January 7, 2009, 08:59 PM
so... nobody is alowed to have any fun because some biased, ignorant anti-gunner might misinterpret their actions?

Screw that. They will twist things to fit their dillusions anyway. Your all a bunch of Fudds.

withdrawn34
January 7, 2009, 10:39 PM
While I have seen some bad videos on YouTube, I disagree that every single video of someone just shooting casually is bad.

To me, seeing these people talk normally and otherwise look normal, and shoot weapons responsibly shows me that guns are actually somewhat normal, and that all these guys aren't cops - that regular people can handle guns safely as well.

A few are idiots, and I don't doubt that. However, many of the videos I see are just fine, and make the point that the firearm is not a big bad monster only wielded by soldiers and cops.

mr.trooper
January 7, 2009, 11:41 PM
finaly, someone with some sence.

shotgunjoel
January 7, 2009, 11:51 PM
You think that damages our cause, look what they say!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqieimwLQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRtVDDqzM_0&feature=related

gunmaker2872
January 7, 2009, 11:59 PM
I think some people dont understand that some gun vids are actually ment to be funny, and ive seen more negitive comments from gun owners then gun haters's,, seems like 99% of the responses are from gun owners worried about there gun rights when in fact they are the ones combining there rights with these videos in turn causing the very attention they dont want

okespe04
January 8, 2009, 12:41 AM
I think youtube gun videos are great. Especially this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SajB5NbBiM

Gunnerpalace
January 8, 2009, 12:42 AM
WOW! on that second video those peoples stupidity depressed me.

Oh wait it's mcCarthy and crew.

average_shooter
January 8, 2009, 12:50 AM
If you thought the video of the guy firing the mauser and throwing his clip on the ground was funny you should love watching this guy guy act so "hollywood" throwing his magazines all over the place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNjcubxfQA&feature=related

This guy really gets revved up and starts screaming and throwing mags every which way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFF0TbhgQMY&feature=related

tank mechanic
January 8, 2009, 01:01 AM
The best part is the look of excitement on his face at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKMQy3k5dSc

gunmaker2872
January 8, 2009, 01:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSYRjh1UEak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu2QCYAlSjE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR98qexkXg4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X2XK7BjTbM

Honestley i think these guys are funnier than hell, i also think the majority of their videos are supposed to be funny and not to be used as a training demonstration

Master Blaster
January 8, 2009, 08:27 AM
I don't care if he owns all surrounding 100,000 acres.

Up here in Maine, huge swaths of land are owned by individuals, paper companies, land trusts and others. People wander onto them all the time. It's not trespassing if they are hunting and some hunting seasons literally never end around here. If some guy hit a hunter, or even a trespasser, during a recreational shoot on his own land, he could be liable for their death or injury.


You know I could use this same arguement to propose a ban on ALL hunting, since when you fire a high powered rifle at a deer it could move or you could miss. Then what happens to the bullet??

Yep you are right hunting/ firing any gun in the woods is unsafe and should be banned, after all it only takes one shot, and landowners / hunters should not be able to threaten the safety of the CHILDREN.....

Duke of Doubt
January 8, 2009, 09:54 AM
Wrong, blaster.

Hunting is very safe -- provided you follow safety rules.

Such as, for example, shooting only with a backstop.

And not shooting at the surface of standing water.

And a lot of other things.

rbernie
January 8, 2009, 10:24 AM
It's always a small group of idiots ruining it for the rest of us.
Do you know what this comment really says to my ears? "You might poison the well, so I want rights for me but not for thee."

The Fudd factor is high with this thread.<sigh> It certainly does appear that way.

Putting forth a few amateur videos of people shooting recreationally and safely isn't going to sound the death knell for the Second Amendment.
I believe this to be true. And if the defense of the RKBA hinges predominantly on what people see on YouTube, why are all the folks in this thread who're so apoplectic about the crappy content NOT BOTHERING taking the time to post their own useful content?

The best part is the look of excitement on his face at the end.Heaven forbid that we actually *encourage* the next generation of shooters who will continue the RKBA fight when we're all old and gray.

Nope. Can't do that. Let's all just sit back on our dead butts and make fun of them instead, since we know so much more than they do but can't be bothered to actually improve the situation.

:rolleyes:

Duke of Doubt
January 8, 2009, 10:46 AM
We've gotten tired of trying to improve the situation, as the idiot kids call us fudds and safety nazis.

MisterPX
January 8, 2009, 11:16 AM
You've only brought it upon yourself.


Anyhow, what do you think of a guy walking around your range with a loaded pistol in a holster? Howabout a loaded rifle slung?
How many deaths in your state were from range accidents as opposed to hunting accidents?

jbauch357
January 8, 2009, 11:19 AM
I better not post up any of the vids of me dual wielding .357's or bump firing my Saiga - the way I nonchalantly shoot and enjoy myself (while still following all pertinent safety rules) without too much fuss might cause an outrage here...

Duke of Doubt
January 8, 2009, 11:29 AM
Loaded guns are fine at the range. Some of us carry concealed just about everywhere. There have been a few "close encounters" with thieves and vandals at my range over the years, and servicing targets at the 200 yard berm can leave one rather exposed. So, loaded handguns are fine -- pointed in a safe direction or holstered.

A loaded rifle, slung, is different. Probably would get you kicked off the range and maybe get your card pulled, depending on who was there. Problem is, the problem children travel in packs, so one or two conscientious members don't want to contront eight guys blasting away and carrying loaded rifles. So it comes up at the club meetings, which the yahoos don't attend. At the meeting, loaded rifles offline and bump firing get banned for a year, and the range is temproarily patrolled at "bad" times. The problem children get kicked out of the club -- and then they wonder why, and get all self-righteous about their Second Amendment rights to trash the club.

Bump firing itself isn't so terrible, so long as you are shooting at an actual target on a berm -- as opposed to the creep shooting at the pond in the video. Not something I'd do on a busy day, but within reasonable limits and according to other safety rules/factors, not a problem. But the guys who seem to derive great joy from making noise (as opposed to hitting targets)with their guns never keep it within reasonable limits, and always abuse the situation until they get reported and kicked out.

scottgun
January 8, 2009, 11:30 AM
What this sounds like is the puritan ideologue "somebody out there is having more fun than us, and it must be stopped" Like with most things, if you don't like what you are watching, then turn it off.

As freedom luvin gun totin Americans we don't like it when other people tell us what we can and can't do, so it seems hypocritical to turn around and tell others how they should conduct themselves.

Duke of Doubt
January 8, 2009, 11:32 AM
And that's the point -- at my club, when unsafe fools pull that stuff, they get "turned off" -- that is, kicked out, their card pulled, and given written notice never to return on penalty of prosecution.

It isn't about fun, it's about safety. Some of us "fudds" own and shoot various full auto weapons and even destructive devices -- responsibly.

Art Eatman
January 8, 2009, 01:28 PM
This doesn't have much to do with gun laws, past or proposed. Or court cases of either persuasion.

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