some Russian stuff (that you'll probably will never own)
max popenker
September 26, 2003, 03:10 AM
hello
did some photographs at the local IPSC event for Russian Police troops. There also were some long guns on display for potential buyers, to here you are with some pics to droll over:
AKS-74 (yes, full auto 5.45mm) with silencer and side-folding RPKS-74 butt
http://mail.guns.ru/Lists/firearms_r/Message/683-02-B/01-aks74pbs.jpg
http://mail.guns.ru/Lists/firearms_r/Message/683-04-B/03-aks74-max.jpg
60-rounds 4-column mag for AK-74 (side view exactly the same as standard 30-rd mag, only 2 times thicker)
http://mail.guns.ru/Lists/firearms_r/Message/683-03-B/02-ak74-60rdmag.jpg
Couple of sniper rifles, now.
SV-98 in 7.62x54R. With proper ammo, does sub-MOA at 300 meters (2" groups at 300 yds)
http://mail.guns.ru/Lists/firearms_r/Message/685-02-B/10-sv98-omon.jpg
SV-99 - a nice and silent .22LR tool for close work (mag fed, straight pull bolt action)
http://mail.guns.ru/Lists/firearms_r/Message/685-03-B/11-sv99-max.jpg
If you like Russian stuff, please check General Handguns section for some pics of recent Russian pistols
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Gabe
September 26, 2003, 03:26 AM
Max, thanks for the pics. I've been looking for info on the 60 round mag for ages. Do you have any diagrams or knowlege of its internals?
max popenker
September 26, 2003, 04:46 AM
here's the diagram i've found. Not sure if magazine shown works exactly like that, but most probably it is very similar to that idea.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=507504
jsalcedo
September 26, 2003, 05:36 AM
Very cool stuff.
I bet that 60 round mag is a thumb buster. :uhoh:
762x51
September 26, 2003, 12:18 PM
Awesome pics. Love that 60rd mag. :cool: Wouldn't be hard on the thumbs if you used a LULA.
AJ Dual
September 26, 2003, 12:30 PM
I think a few of those 4 column mags made it into the states, but command quite a price. Much more than a drum to be sure.
Not too different than the 4 colum 50 round Specter SMG mag, and it's semi-auto carbine counterpart.
Correia
September 26, 2003, 12:58 PM
If the AWB goes away, I've got to get me some of those 60 round magazines.
Wow.
El Tejon
September 26, 2003, 01:12 PM
Cpasibo bolshoi, tovarish.
SV-99--otleechna!:D
gun-fucious
September 26, 2003, 02:23 PM
i covet the SV99 stock for my Izhmash biathon
but i hear that chunk o wood is non exportable
:(
El Tejon
September 26, 2003, 04:01 PM
Where's the CB-99 been hiding?
Need to get out more.:scrutiny:
MagKnightX
September 26, 2003, 04:15 PM
Are there SV-98s in the US that are legal for us civvies to own? How much will they set one back?
There aren't any civilian-with-a-tax-stamp legal FA AK-74s, except for semis that were converted before '86, right? And those are likely fairly rare, correct?
gun-fucious
September 26, 2003, 05:18 PM
http://club.guns.ru/eng/sv-98.html
heres as close as you get to the SV99 in the US:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=508750
Beetle Bailey
September 26, 2003, 10:10 PM
I'll take one of each, thank you :D . Actually, living in California means I'm used to not being able to have a lot of really cool stuff :( .
By the way, is that SV-98 a bolt-action?
jar
September 26, 2003, 10:27 PM
Thanks Max. You always seem to be able to amaze us. Keep them coming. Thanks again.
Chugach
September 27, 2003, 01:26 AM
Excellent pics, thank you!
Riphalman
September 27, 2003, 06:18 AM
is impressive. Where were you educated? And what department are you with?
IMtheNRA
September 28, 2003, 02:26 AM
gun-fucious, why is that stock non-exportable?
Okiecruffler
September 28, 2003, 10:48 AM
Makes my old Mosins look, well old. That SV-98 has me drooling.
gun-fucious
September 28, 2003, 11:00 PM
certain military hardware is determined to be not for the common man
the SV-99 stock and military rangefinding scopes are two i have heard of...
the stock is really nifty:
http://i.guns.ru/club/sv99/sv99-1_sm.jpg
max popenker
September 29, 2003, 01:40 AM
2 Riphalman.
I graduated from St.Petersburg state technical university in '95, and now im in IT department, clicking buttons and finding anykeys. Guns are my hobby and passion, and i work part-time for leading russian gun magazines, like "GUN" ("Ruzhjo") and the "Guns & Ammo Digest - Russian edition".
By the way - I learned a lot of gun slang from both TFL and THR, so i must say thank you for all of you, pals :cool: .
2 Beetle Bailey.
Yes, SV-98 is bolt-action. based on the SM-2 "Record" 7.62mm CISM rifle action.
Nightcrawler
September 29, 2003, 01:43 AM
I think it's really cool that the 7.62x54mmR round is still so popular despite being (I believe) the longest running service round in history. (Since 1891)
Now if MOLOT would make a VEPR in 7.62x54mmR I could die happy.
max popenker
September 29, 2003, 06:49 AM
Vepr in 7.62x54R? hardly. especially because this niche is already occupied by the IzhMash-made Tiger, a "civilianized" copy of the Dragunov SVD.
The AK-based Vepr action is not easily modifiable for a rimmed case like x54R, and i doubt that there will be much demand on that monster.
OTOH, if the US import laws could be a little nicer to the Russian manufacturers, i could imagine the PKM "sporter", a semi-auto 7.62x54R beltfed "rifle" of purely sporting purpose :cool:
Nightcrawler
September 29, 2003, 07:16 AM
Yeah, but they're not importing Tigers, whereas they ARE importing VEPRs. :(
I'd like a VEPR in 8mm Mauser even more, I think.
gun-fucious
September 29, 2003, 11:48 AM
they are importing a Saiga 100 in 30-06:
http://www.eaacorp.com/firearms/saiga/rifles/saiga100t.shtml
http://club.guns.ru/eng/saiga_renaissance.html
gotta love the Izmash Hunting line:
http://www.izhmash.udm.ru/arms/hunt.html
and the sportingline:
http://www.izhmash.udm.ru/arms/sport.html
there IS a 30-06 Molot:
http://www.primarmi.it/molto_novita_hunter.asp
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:U7KmPfrF9LAJ:www.waffenschumacher.com/pdf/preisliste_maerz_2003_kurz.pdf+molot+vepr&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Okiecruffler
September 29, 2003, 12:12 PM
What I wouldn't give for one of those TIGR-9's. We're all friends now, right? Let's get some export/import going.
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