Firearms Simulator or toy guns


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Glockster35
September 26, 2003, 05:34 AM
I am looking to purchase a realistic 1911 toy gun or training simulator gun to allow me to dry fire the 1911 while I am in Germany.

I will be using this toy/trainer to also test new equipment as I buy it for my carry piece back in the states. Mostly a new holster.

I think this is my only option right now.

I found this at Brownells (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1475&s=6048#6048)

But it doesn't appear to allow trigger pulling. Any one got a better idea and a site to order from?

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Lightfighter
September 26, 2003, 09:49 AM
The rings guns are just molded from the gun in questions -- they have no function what so ever. If you want some thing to practice with, look here:

http://www.airsoftextreme.com/gas/gas.html

Ian
September 26, 2003, 12:49 PM
I heartily second Lightfighter's Airsoft suggestion. Not only can you use one for individual practice, you can practice all sorts of scenarios with live opponents as well. Since they function the same way their real counterparts do and also fire a projectile, you can get lots of good feedback from them in practice.

son of a gun
September 26, 2003, 12:58 PM
A lot of paint ballers are switching to air soft now, you don't need paint all over to have fun. They do make paint filled airsoft bb's now also.

Glockster35
September 26, 2003, 07:50 PM
Excellent idea.

A toy I can actually do something with. I knew you guys would come through with something I hadn't thought of!

Anyone want to suggest a good place to get a 1911 Airsoft?

son of a gun
September 26, 2003, 08:06 PM
That's a page from "gun n stuff"

http://www.gunsnstuff.net/p/t1.html

http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/


I have one of those cheap spring pistols (mines pictured below) it's fun to shoot in the house, but it's not a toy will shoot your eye out.


http://home.earthlink.net/~dangerousdude/gun.jpg

Glockster35
September 26, 2003, 08:41 PM
I just ordered this:

http://store3.yimg.com/I/wholesaleairsoft_1748_7774988

Was $23.99, from First Rate Knives.

son of a gun
September 26, 2003, 08:55 PM
Don't shoot your eye out !!http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/contrib/lilly/hmm3grin1orange.gif

Skunkabilly
September 27, 2003, 02:11 AM
You called?
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/upload/news/121/STONER004.jpg

:D

Sunray
September 27, 2003, 02:58 AM
Hi. Are you posted therewith the military? Or just on a trip? If posted, join a base shooting club and forget the toy guns. On a tour, you can't take anything ressembling a gun anyway. Even an airgun. Going for a non-military work related thing? No guns, but you should be able to join a shooting club.
And you can't carry there either, but you know that. Once you're there, you can ask the local government what you can do. Last I heard, a hunting licence in Germany requires a two year community college level course.
It ain't the States and all firearms are heavily regulated. Especially for foreigners.

Glockster35
September 27, 2003, 05:28 AM
Sunray,

There are no Rod and Gun clubs anywhere closeby. The nearest is over 2 hours away, and I just don't get down there very often. Actually I haven't shot there at all yet and I have been here over a year. It's not like I don't get to shoot, I am in Military Law Enforcement.

Dilettante
September 28, 2003, 09:07 PM
I've never fired one of these simulator guns.
Do any of them actually "feel" like the real thing when you pull the trigger?
I'm not talking about recoil, I'm talking about the trigger pull (so that dry-fire practice would prepare you for a real Glock or 1911).

SoCalGeek
September 28, 2003, 09:17 PM
That all depends on the manufacturer of the gun. The higher end ones are so similar to the real ones that (like a beretta i shot this morning) apart from the orange tip and the inner workings (when you lock the slide back) you cannot tell the difference. Now since i've never shot a real Beretta, i can't tell you as far as trigger pull goes, but the recoil is similar to some of the smaller handgun calibers (a 9mm or .22lr, maybe). As for the lower end guns, they are less realistic but still pretty good for training. What are you looking for, exactly? You can get a $5, spring-powered single shot that vaguely resembles a 1911, or you can get a $250 semiautomatic near-exact replica. It's all about what you're looking for. PM me if you have any more questions. =)

son of a gun
September 28, 2003, 09:34 PM
SoCalGeek
The higher end ones are so similar to the real ones that (like a beretta i shot this morning) apart from the orange tip and the inner workings (when you lock the slide back) you cannot tell the difference.


There so real they cost as much as the real gun.

Does anybody know what the green gas they use is ? Someone insisted it's freon but it's hard to believe they would use that with the hi cost and enviormental BS.

Price (USD) $2,680.00
http://home.earthlink.net/~dangerousdude/surgeOn-Stoner-LMG-B-L.jpg
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Category?menu1=1
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Price (USD) $135.00
http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Category?menu1=2

http://home.earthlink.net/~dangerousdude/MS-SRH95-L.jpg
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http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Category?menu1=2
Price (USD) $539.00

http://home.earthlink.net/~dangerousdude/RWC-Patriot-3X-L.jpg

SoCalGeek
September 29, 2003, 12:26 AM
No, the Beretta was $135. Rarely (if ever, i've never heard of a case) does the cost of an airsoft exceed the cost of the real steel piece it is modeled after. And the gas is (reading the side of the can) HFC134-A, also known as tetrafluoroethane or CH2FCF3CH3. My can says it's "EPA approved environmentally safe propellant" but even if it isn't, it's not like airsoft is the most politically correct sport out there... :D

Kevlarman
September 29, 2003, 12:46 AM
Pretty much any gas airsofts guns use is lumped under the umbrella term "green gas," since these gasses are much more friendly to the environment compared to what we used to use (FLON, which is freon, basically).

There are two commonly used "green gases" out there for airsoft guns. Most of the Japanese made gas blowbacks use the lower pressure "green gas," also known as HFC-134a, or tetraflouroethane. It's the refrigerant newer cars use for their A/C. It is *not* freon, commonly known as R-12.

Taiwanese gas blowbacks seem to be built more sturdy. By that, I mean that they can usually withstand higher pressures than their Japanese counterparts; I'm not saying they're better overall. These guns uses stuff called "Toy Jack" or "TOP Gas." And it smells bad. Like propane. You know, that rotten cabbage smell. Probably flammable too, but I've never tried to light it.

Using this higher pressure gas will make the BB goes faster and farther, and make the gun's felt recoil seem bigger. Be forewarned, that if the gun is not designed to take the pressure, you will soon destroy it.

son of a gun
September 29, 2003, 02:33 AM
Great explanations:D


SoCalGeek

the gas is (reading the side of the can) HFC134-A, also known as tetrafluoroethane or CH2FCF3CH3. My can says it's "EPA approved environmentally safe propellant" but even if it isn't, it's not like airsoft is the most politically correct sport out there...


I was thinking of the consumer product safety comission or the EPA REGULATING THE IMPORTATION OF GLOBAL WARMING BS.:)

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