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black ridge
January 9, 2009, 11:01 PM
I was a member of the NRA for a while and I finally got enough of the constant mail asking for money. The straw that relly broke the camels back was when they were gonna have a drawing for an all expence payed trip on Africa safari with Wayne Lapierre. I work for a living and I know that I will never get to Africa hunting and thats fine. That money they spent on that trip was not coming out of my pocket for someone else to get to do what I will never get to do. So someone please explaine to me how an African safari helps our right to keep and bear arms.

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caseypj
January 9, 2009, 11:08 PM
People enter the drawing, one lucky man wins, the NRA has now made more money than it cost for the Safari.

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 9, 2009, 11:09 PM
Did it ever occur to you that the majority prizes were probably paid for/donated by the long list of sponsors listed on the safari page (https://www.nrahq.org/safari/) and not membership dues?

One would think that after stewing about this for two years before posting, that's right, the drawing closed two years ago, you would have considered such a possibility.

mnrivrat
January 9, 2009, 11:11 PM
NRA's work on the RTKBA is only part of what they do. They are, and have been involved in the shooting sports since their begining. That includes hunting, target shooting, safety & marksmanship programs.

I'm not sure in my mind wether a African hunting trip is the best cheese to help fundraising efforts, but it might be. I know that more people play the lotto when the prize is larger .

I haven't always liked the fundraiser efforts myself, but I do see a use for them, and like them or not, they bring in revenue.

black ridge
January 9, 2009, 11:14 PM
The NRA is a fine ORG but for the working class people its kinda out in left field. It seems like the money never ends.

black ridge
January 9, 2009, 11:17 PM
Also everybody I talk to has dropped there membership for the same reason.(MONEY)

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 9, 2009, 11:19 PM
Also everybody I talk to has dropped there membership for the same reason.(MONEY)
If you can't afford $10 a year for the "no magazine" membership, times must be pretty tight.

If you are talking about the extra solicitations, all it takes is a phone call or an email and they'll take you off the list.

Animal Mother
January 9, 2009, 11:21 PM
I am absolutely certain that the NRA raised more money during that promotion than it spent on the Safari trip, that is how promotions work. There are very few lobbying groups as powerful as the NRA. The NRA doesn't get its power from some huge corporate interests, but from millions of working class men and women who believe in freedom.

If you don't like the NRA's constant requests for donations please do the following (from the NRA Membership FAQ):

Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA?
A: Simply email us at membership@nrahq.org or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list. This will significantly reduce the amount of mail you receive without affecting important mailings, magazine service, or your membership renewal.

I think I need to make that my new sig line.

wherestheham
January 9, 2009, 11:23 PM
The NRA might not be perfect, but no large organization is.

There is great power in numbers.

Remember: "United we stand, divided we fall."

black ridge
January 9, 2009, 11:31 PM
O.K. thats good enough. I guess im just looking at it the wrong way. It bothers me that we need a multy million non profit org to stand up to the government for us. I just cant give procedes to that, so ill let it go. Thanks for the answers.

ToadPS
January 9, 2009, 11:36 PM
No big organization is ever going to be able to please all of its members.

That's just a simple fact of life.

However, without the NRA our use of guns would have been severely curtailed by now.

If everyone that owned and used a firearm bought the $10 annual membership each year, just about the cost of a box of 9mm ammo, we wouldn't all be so worried about what this new administration and Congress are going to attempt to do to our gun rights.

Estimates are that 25% of adults in the US own guns; THAT my friends is a huge constituency, a very large voting block. Join the NRA; join other groups as well. But let us all unite behind at least one organization that is a recognized presence in the halls of Congress.

Numbers talk in government.

black ridge
January 9, 2009, 11:46 PM
TOADPS. you are 100% right about the numbers. But ill bet you Mr LAPierre is pulling more than 35000 a year.

jcwit
January 9, 2009, 11:50 PM
Well if the NRA spending money on a trip instead of defending your 2nd adm. rights just send $30 m( dues)to your Senator or Rep asking them to fight for 2nd rights and see how it goes.

ToadPS
January 10, 2009, 12:09 AM
Tell ya what... if LaPierre can safely lead us through the next eight years without another AWB, microstamped bullets or a repeal of the Heller decision, I'd say he's worth millions a year, wouldn't you?

For pity's sake... Wall Street Bankers get millions for screwing the entire economy. :D

Bottom line is that there currently is no other organization that has the power that NRA has in DC. None. There are other good ones, and we should join those as well, but there are NONE RIGHT NOW that are as equipped to defend our 2nd rights as the NRA.

So.... why aren't the entire 25% of adult gun owners in America members of the NRA?

$10/year for the no magazine membership.... a box of shotgun shells, a box of 9mm pistol rounds, a half a box of good rifle rounds per year. How can anyone figure that it's not a good idea to join? It's damn cheap and it's is currently the most effective organization for gun rights on Capitol Hill.

Clarence
January 10, 2009, 12:12 AM
I just upgraded my Life membership to Endowment membership for $200.

I figured the NRA might be able to use a few extra bucks in the next couple of years.

distra
January 10, 2009, 12:23 AM
Instead of complaining about what the NRA does with the money, join the second ammendment foundation or gun owners of America. Just sitting there doing nothing, but complaining will not help our cause. The way I see it is if you aren't willing to help protect your rights now you might as well take your firearms to the nearest PD for voluntary confiscation.

Remember: "United we stand, divided we fall."

+1000

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 10, 2009, 12:26 AM
But ill bet you Mr LAPierre is pulling more than 35000 a year.

I would hope so as most people attended college or learned a useful trade skill also make more than $35K a year.

Wayne LaPierre was paid a salary of $666,491 in 2006 and got another $56,198 in other benefit payments.

That same year they brought in $165,496,153 in revenue (not counting the NRA Foundation and perhaps others)

Why would any of us be surprised that a corporation with over $165M in revenue is run by someone making over $35,000?

Good executives require good salaries. Even the true believers can be swayed away by money. You keep good people by paying them well.

black ridge
January 10, 2009, 12:27 AM
I just dont know ladies and gentlemen. I always look at big business as the enemy. I always think we are gonna get screwed over in the end by any money ORG. I mean this country this day in time is being built on stealing and its a sad -sad thing that things are the way they are. Just being cautious.

TimRB
January 10, 2009, 12:29 AM
"I was a member of the NRA for a while and I finally got enough of the constant mail asking for money."

It would be interesting to check the archives to see how long THR (or *any* pro-gun forum) can go before someone starts a thread whining about how mailings from the NRA have ruined his life. My wife and I can measure our daily mail in pounds, and usually only one or two pieces of that is first class mail.

Throw junk mail away! Sheesh--how hard can it be to do that?

But anyway, black ridge, don't you worry about a thing. The other NRA members and I will continue to do our best to preserve your gun rights for you.

Tim

John828
January 10, 2009, 12:29 AM
TOADPS. you are 100% right about the numbers. But ill bet you Mr LAPierre is pulling more than 35000 a year.

Try about twenty times that amount. He probably makes about $700,000 a year.

I, OTOH, make about $35,000 a year, and I guarandamntee you that you don't want me running the show. We need smart folks at the helm. Smart folks make a lot of money. Don't muzzle the ox while it's ploughing the fields. Or treading wheat or whatever they say.

JDoe
January 10, 2009, 12:41 AM
Call me crazy but when anyone comes onto a pro-gun forum and immediately starts bad mouthing and complaining about the NRA I get a little suspicious about their true motivations.

black ridge
January 10, 2009, 12:41 AM
It sounds to me like you all would empower a baker to no end if you were starving. Dont stand behind something stand beside it.

John828
January 10, 2009, 12:43 AM
Don't feed the trolls. I am finished. I thought we might have a two sided conversation but nope.

Old Fuff
January 10, 2009, 12:51 AM
I've been an NRA member for well over a half century...

I can remember the good times before 1968 when the NRA was most interested in promoting hunting, target shooting and gun collecting.

But then after 1968 and we got president Lyndon Johnson who declared war on the NRA because they wouldn't knuckle under. Johnson wasn't one that ever took prisoners, but going after the NRA was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made for his Democratic Party, and he made some whoppers.

If it wasn’t for the NRA I could have saved some money, because the guns I was able to buy wouldn’t have been there. In numbers, the U.K. National Rifle Association is relatively small, and because of that look what happened there.

The same thing could have happened here – but it didn’t, and if you have any doubts go look and see what the Brady Bunch and they’re buddies have to say about the NRA and what their plans are now.

The truly sad thing is not what the NRA has to do to raise money, but the fact that they have too do it. Since 1968 we have been in a war with America’s left-wing wana’be-socialists who would see each and every one of us disarmed. And our spear point in that war has been the NRA.

From my perspective, if some folks have to be begged for money– especially now that the fight has become so critical, and the NRA need all of the financial support that they can get… Well those folks can just go away, ‘cuz somehow the rest of us will get the job done. The pure fact is that some of us are in this for the long haul, and some just want to go along for the ride.

End of rant. :cuss:

black ridge
January 10, 2009, 12:57 AM
Listen folks I didnt mean to piss anybody off. Its great that there are ORG out there to PROTECT OUR RIGHTS it just makes me mad that we have to pay somebody to do that and pay them so well. Your never relly sure where the money goes. THATS ALL IM TRING TO SAY.

John828
January 10, 2009, 01:09 AM
Thought I was done but just had to thank: Old Fuff.

Thank you, Sir.

jcwit
January 10, 2009, 01:13 AM
Amen---Old Fuff

Very well said!

hso
January 10, 2009, 01:18 AM
black ridge,

Then send your money to the NRA-ILA instead.

BTW, Jorg is right on target. The safari and what went with it, short of air fare, was donated, just like the local gun shops donate firearms and accessories for the local Friends of the NRA chapters to auction/raffle off. The money that you would have paid if you hadn't been annoyed by the telephone calls and the mailings wouldn't have been used so some NRA member, who'd have never had the chance to go on such a hunt without the NRA and the companies that donated all the goodies, could go.

If you don't want your money to even go to the NRA-ILA donate it to the local Friends of the NRA chapter and spend a little time with them working on the local level to support your rights.

If you don't want to do that take a half hour every week to contact your local and state and federal politicians by phone or letter to tell them you're a voter and that you expect them to protect your right to keep and bear arms.

jpwilly
January 10, 2009, 01:19 AM
black ridge it sounds like everyone answered your question even gave you good enough reasons to stay in the game. But you want to be a loner. That's fine Vote, Write your Congressman or women and be safe. Nobody here is angry with you. Good Day.

black ridge
January 10, 2009, 01:30 AM
I just want everyone to know that I am 100% pro-gun.I hunt and shoot for recreation. I was raised up in it. It shouldnt even be a question wheather or not we should keep our guns it is our right. I live in the south and guns our very much a part of our heritage. I do vote,I just dont want things to be the way they have to be. Its all about the money.

black ridge
January 10, 2009, 01:41 AM
I will not bow down that easy to anything begging me for money

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 10, 2009, 01:49 AM
I will not bow down that easy to anything begging me for money
When did the NRA ask you to bow down?

Some folks just don't get it.

Gun Slinger
January 10, 2009, 01:49 AM
I will not bow down that easy to anything begging me for money.


Nobody here said that you had to. Throw the "junk" mail away without reading it if you don't like it.

Old Fuff
January 10, 2009, 01:49 AM
I just dont want things to be the way they have to be. Its all about the money.

Ya, you're right. It is about the money.

The reason the anti-gun crowd hates the NRA so much is one time, after another, after another... over the years their plans for disarming us have been dashed, because in some way the NRA successfully blocked what they were trying to do. Sometimes it was because they lost a lawsuit, or sometimes it was because they lost an election, and sometimes it was because a law they wanted didn't happen, or one they didn't got passed.

Sometimes the NRA did what they did in the open, and sometimes they stayed in the background. But year after year they were there, and because of that we are now in a much better position then we were back in 1968.

You cannot protect our firearms rights on the cheap. It costs money, and a lot of it. That money comes in both large and small amounts, donated in one way or another, to fill the NRA's war chest.

Because we are in a war, and one way or another it will take money to win it.

lanternlad1
January 10, 2009, 01:50 AM
"I will not bow down that easy to anything begging me for money"

Then don't.

All the Brady Foundation does is ask for money too. And the ACLU. And PETA. And the 2nd Amendment Foundation. All big orgs do it. That's how they get to be big orgs. By posting here and telling us that "its all about the money", you assume that you know something we don't. Trust me. We know. Money is the grease in the American Machine.

I stopped supporting the NRA when they first tried to derail the Heller case, fearing that it would fail, and when it succeeded, actually took partial credit for it. That was it for me. It really had nothing to do with money.

230RN
January 10, 2009, 01:54 AM
I will not bow down that easy to anything begging me for money

Don't be so stiffnecked, black ridge.

What do you do when they pass the plate in Church?

Chuck in a buck and pass the plate?

Chuck in nothing and pass the plate?

Chuck in the "recommended*" $35,000 times 10% divided by 52? (=$67.31)

Here's the plate. Now what?

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* Numbers 18:26. Cf also Leviticus 27:30; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5)

black ridge
January 10, 2009, 02:00 AM
Thank you Old Fuff. Thats the explaination Ive been looking for. I guess I just asked the question the wrong way. By the way, I am not whining thats the way things are. Open your eyes folks, money is the root of all evil. It will take down any man, even a good man or ORG eventually.

hso
January 10, 2009, 02:08 AM
Not wanting a sorry fact to be a certain way don't make it not a fact. National politics is an expensive proposition any more.

The fact is that the antis are well funded by large foundations and enormously wealthy individuals who act as their patrons. They pour money into taking away your right to keep and bear arms like the floodgates of a dam.

By contrast, the gun rights organizations, like the NRA and GOA and ..., all are made up of a bunch of individuals who make a living wage and who have families and mortgages and car loans and ... Not foundations and patrons that can pour millions into the fight. So, it takes dollars to fight dollars, or hours to fight hours, whichever can be donated. Our little dollars have to be added together to match the millions from just one anti patron. Of course the pro2A groups beg for money.

Now, I mentioned "hours to fight hours". Those dollars also represent the hours of work that can be paid to take away your and my rights. If you don't like the way your dollars might get used then donate your hours supporting RKBA. Thats what your dollars would be used for anyway, buying hours for people to try to persuade others that our cause is just.

Don't like the NRA, support GOA. Don't like either of them? Support JPFO. Support your state organization or go it solo and become a one person activism effort. Just do something constructive to support RKBA.

dakotasin
January 10, 2009, 02:10 AM
money makes the world go 'round. not love, not desire, or satisfaction, or whatever. money. everything is about money and the world as we know it today exists as it does because of money.

evil or not, money makes it happen. doesn't matter what 'it' is, money makes it go.

get comfy w/ the idea, then get in the game or sit on the sidelines - but it really is all about money.

lanternlad1
January 10, 2009, 02:18 AM
"evil or not, money makes it happen. doesn't matter what 'it' is, money makes it go."

Just a quick point:
Money is not evil. The LOVE of money is (the root of all) evil.

1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

BUT

Ecclesiastes 10:19
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.

Money is the answer for everything.

Even that which should not need an answer.

Like constitutional rights.

Sigh...

black ridge
January 10, 2009, 02:18 AM
My negative words tword the NRA are not tword the cause. Its very sad that the people in this country cant see two foot in front of them to see what would happen if the guns were taken away. The sorry people that kill people are causing all of this. I do know we have to stick together but I would like to find another way.

jeepmor
January 10, 2009, 02:20 AM
Just recycle the solicitation mailings and support the right to bear arms.

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 10, 2009, 02:21 AM
I do know we have to stick together but I would like to find another way.
You have the floor. We'd love to hear how you propose to have impact the RKBA without the evils of money and big organizations. I would be quite interested in getting involved in such project.

We're all ears.

black ridge
January 10, 2009, 02:29 AM
Ive thought about this problem a lot of times. You all know as well as I do there is a lot of major problems in this country, not only our rights being taken away but the prices of food, the fuel problems our jobs being taken away and so many others. I realize what im going to say is very dangerous for us and our families but we need a revolution. CLEAN SLATE

Jorg Nysgerrig
January 10, 2009, 02:32 AM
I realize what im going to say is very dangerous for us and our families but we need a revolution. CLEAN SLATE

And with that, this one is done. :rolleyes:

Art Eatman
January 10, 2009, 02:33 AM
Done.

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