Accessories for S&W Sigma 9mm...


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grndslm
January 11, 2009, 01:18 AM
Just got this gun for a good deal with S&W's rebate, but aiming is a bit off right now. I think I'll send it back and let them loosen the trigger first of all.

I'm also looking for a rubber grip for the handle. I feel this could help my accuracy even more than the trigger adjustment.

And is it possible to even use a silencer on this gun? Where would I be able to get one? Reason I ask is because one of my buddy's houses that's farther out of the city has long, but narrow property... so neighbors would still be able to hear it, even tho I know I couldn't possibly shoot anybody on his property. I've only gotten to shoot maybe 100 rounds thru this gun, and it seems to be above average in how loud it is. I'm thinking the cost of the silencer is prolly too far outta my league, but I definitely need a grip.

Any tips?

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Ranb
January 11, 2009, 04:42 AM
First you need to live in AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, ME, MD, MS, MT, NE, ND, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WV, WI, or WY to own a silencer without a license. Here is a list of manufacturers; http://www.silencertalk.com/links.htm . You can go to forums at http://www.silencertalk.com and http://www.subguns.com for advice. Here is a list of dealers; http://www.subguns.com/c2c3/c2c3.htm .

A decent 9mm silencer is going to cost you at least $500. Your pistol will still be at least 125 decibels and there is no way your close neighbors are not going to hear you shooting if they are outside and not deaf.

Most pistols need a recoil booster (nielson device) to enable the slide to cycle properly This adds about $125 to the cost. You will also need an extended threaded barrel to mount the silencer on. I have not seen any available for the Sigma.

While the feds do not ban silencers, you need ATF authorization to make or buy one and pay a $200 tax. Approval is routine and I have never heard of anyone being denied as long as the paperwork was filled out correctly.

On the upside, if you are shooting out in the open, the silencer should be effective enough to shoot without using hearing protection and while some aniti-guns nuts might call the police on you, the noise should be reduced to a level that will keep you friendly with the neighbors. I make my own silencers on ATF form 1's. I enjoy shooting suppressed, once you use a silencer, you may never want to go back to the roar that unsuppressed firearms make.

Ranb

legion3
January 11, 2009, 06:18 AM
Good luck on the trigger adjustment, the Sigma is notorious for a long, heavy and many would say terrible :barf: trigger pull. Best thing is to keep shooting it and see if it eventually loosens up. Price is the main thing that the Sigma has going for it. Beyond that its an good gun that goes bang everytime.

XD9WBT
January 11, 2009, 09:52 AM
The silencer should help the resale value;)

grndslm
January 11, 2009, 11:32 AM
Hmm... A grand just for a silencer... I think I'll pass.

Even tho it prolly would be quiet *enough* for my buddy's 2 closest neighbors, I'd rather buy a revolver and something else that shoots 22s for that same amount of $$$.

What about a rubber grip for the handle? I think I'll get that first then check my accuracy. The grip and the long trigger pull both have to do with my bad aiming. If the grip doesn't help too much, I'll then send it back to S&W and they're supposed to "loosen things up" for free w/ free shipping both ways. Didn't know S&W had such good support for their customers, but I lucked out by buying one of their guns. I know it'll fire everytime, and I think "tuning in" on the accuracy part will be half the fun of this gun.

legion3
January 11, 2009, 01:52 PM
I'll then send it back to S&W and they're supposed to "loosen things up" for free w/ free shipping both ways. Didn't know S&W had such good support for their customers, but I lucked out by buying one of their guns.


Did you get that in writing? I didn't know they offered a "loosen things up" for free deal. Shipping both ways? First I have heard of it.
Why not just make the gun with a better trigger pull?

grndslm
January 11, 2009, 03:42 PM
I've read it numerous places. I've also read that numerous people have actually gotten somewhat of an improvement, but still a relatively long trigger pull. I haven't read one single negative thing about S&W's customer service. Seems to be their best area.

I'll call tomorrow and see what they tell me, of course. But in the mean time, dry firing this pistol isn't bad, right? Isn't dry firing a no-no with some guns?

Also, off topic, but a n00b question... how often do you guys clean your pistols? After every couple hundred rounds? ... few hundred? After every few months?

fridayxiii
January 11, 2009, 03:51 PM
I have a Sigma too. It's my first pistol so I've been spending every weekend shooting at the range, and bought some snap caps to dry fire at home. In about a month I've put 1000 shots downrange, and I gotta say between range practice & dry firing the trigger has lightened up nicely. Mine still has a nice crisp break, but the pull is not nearly as heavy.

As for cleaning, I field strip my pistol & clean it after each range visit. Most of my range ammo is Winchester white box or Blazer (shot some Remington UMC yesterday), and find that after 150 or 200 rounds (especially WWB), my Allied Forces is dirty enough that it really needs it.

Congrats on your new Sigma - hope your works as well as mine, and you like it as much too.

Ranb
January 11, 2009, 03:51 PM
I clean a gun after each range session as shooting it can strip away any oil that is used to prevent corrosion. If your gun is not prone to rust, then every thousand rounds should do it, or when it starts to malfunction.

I do not think a silencer is going to help resale value at all especially when the new owner is not a licensed dealer or lives in a different state. When selling to someone in another state, two $200 taxes are required, one to get it to the dealer in your state, and another for the dealer in transfer in the buyer's state.

Ranb

varoadking
January 11, 2009, 04:41 PM
I'll then send it back to S&W and they're supposed to "loosen things up" for free w/ free shipping both ways.

I believe you have been misinformed...the trigger pull is not a warranty issue...

'Course, I've been wrong before, but I don't think that's the case here...

grndslm
January 12, 2009, 02:34 AM
I believe you have been misinformed...the trigger pull is not a warranty issue...
If you say so. This is the first site I saw, mentioning the "free trigger fix"...
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=264410 ... and it certainly wasn't the last. It's all over the webz. Of course, individual results may vary... but I dunno if I'm even gonna send it back or not. Dry firing will prolly do the job for me.

However, I'm still looking for some kinda rubber grip for this gun. If anybody can help me out with that, I'll be in debt to you forever!

ZO6Vettever
January 12, 2009, 11:05 AM
I sent mine back because of 7 light strikes and 2 stovepipes in the first 400 rounds. I also complained about the trigger being gritty and mushy. They polished the feed ramp and opened up the throst, a lot. The work order said "adjusted trigger". It is still long and hard but very smooth and no more "when the hell is it going to go bang" feeling. I find "pulling" as opposed to "sqeezing" the trigger works great for me. With 500 assorted rounds since S&W worked on it and no malfs I am convinced it's reliable and the trigger is good too. I like the long, hard pull for a carry gun without a safety.

BT45
May 24, 2010, 12:02 PM
I use a Hogue rubber slip-on grip for my sigma, they also sell pachmyer slip on grips as well.

joel_conley
May 24, 2010, 01:14 PM
Sigma is an ok gun.....put a bike piece of bike inner tube around the grip. Pachmyar also makes good slip on grips.

you can send it in and complain about a gritty trigger ect...it makes it a little better. But in the end it's still a sigma. Sold mine and got a G19 but i think i might look into the new SD9-SD40...what the sigma should have been.

Good luck and enjoy!

joel_conley
May 24, 2010, 01:38 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=447146&utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=free&utm_campaign=10613

This is what i had on mine....worked great: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=140016

But i guess they make one that fits the sigma better...i had to cut the other. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=170762

rtaylor
May 24, 2010, 02:35 PM
The best accessory for the the Sigma is a For Sale sign.

Jed Carter
May 24, 2010, 05:03 PM
Personally I would leave the Sigma as is and start from scratch possibly on a 1911 9mm build or if you want a can get an H&K or SIG. The Sigma is reliable but not S&W's best effort IMO, throwing more at it is not the best way to get an accurate pistol. For less than 5 bills a CZ 75B is an accurate 9mm with a crappy trigger too, but it is scarry accurate and sexy to boot. For $650 you can have an STI Spartan 9mm that is accurate and has a good trigger. You get what you pay for, Sigma good truck pistol.

basicblur
May 24, 2010, 05:17 PM
Just 'bout to retire my Sigma SW9V from 'bout 12 years of bed gun duty-I installed a Hogue Handall (http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=114&products_id=146) on it-really helps with the grip.

Now that you have a Sigma, hope you're ready for the abuse that's gonna come your way! :uhoh:
Ignore the peanut gallery-ain't nuttin' wrong with 'em, and while the trigger never bothered me (learned how to shoot on DA revolvers), don't be surprised if that "crappy" trigger makes you a better shooter in the long run.

BossHogg
May 25, 2010, 01:42 PM
The Sigma may be the best deal going,I got the 2 extra mags for a total of 4. I can load 60 rounds for plinking before having to stop and reload. Not one problem so far,but it is what it is . Mine is used mostly for truck duty, very tuff pistol.

makindue
July 3, 2010, 02:10 AM
Nice BossHogg. How much is your deal with that?

The Lone Haranguer
July 3, 2010, 10:13 AM
I'm also looking for a rubber grip for the handle.
The grip is of course integral to the polymer frame, but you can get a grip sleeve from Hogue, or make one from a piece cut out of a bicycle tire inner tube.

Dnaltrop
July 3, 2010, 01:16 PM
Wife's S(t)igma shoots well. does not deserve the rep it gets.

Not as comfortable as my M&P, but it was worth the $300 ish and more.

Get something nicer if you're going to really work on a gun though. Beyond the basics (grip/trigger) It's like buying a Geo Metro, and giving it a flame job and a roof rack full of lights.

Crimson Trace just (this year) issued a laser for the gun. (A lot of Sigmas get sold today)

HspncElvis
October 7, 2010, 09:53 PM
I have a Sigma too. It's my first pistol so I've been spending every weekend shooting at the range, and bought some snap caps to dry fire at home. In about a month I've put 1000 shots downrange, and I gotta say between range practice & dry firing the trigger has lightened up nicely. Mine still has a nice crisp break, but the pull is not nearly as heavy.

As for cleaning, I field strip my pistol & clean it after each range visit. Most of my range ammo is Winchester white box or Blazer (shot some Remington UMC yesterday), and find that after 150 or 200 rounds (especially WWB), my Allied Forces is dirty enough that it really needs it.

Congrats on your new Sigma - hope your works as well as mine, and you like it as much too.
So far I've put 300 rounds through my Sigma 9mm. It should loosen up I'm told.

writerinmo
October 7, 2010, 10:51 PM
I have the SW40VE. Hogue Handall slip on grip works well, I took mine off as I EDC it concealed and felt it sometimes added some drag to drawing it out.

S&W does NOT offer a "trigger job". However, they will do warranty work on a gritty or mushy trigger as some posters have said, and a call will get a postage-paid shipping box sent to your door to return it to the warranty center.

I have heard a lot of people bash Sigma's. Don't listen to the non-shooters. The long trigger pull will make you a better shooter. My recommendation is to shoot it like a revolver, with the trigger in the crook of your finger instead of on the pad like most semi-autos. Common problem at first is shooting low and left, this will eventually go away as you get used to the trigger. Try different types and weights of ammo, mine is partial to 180gr.

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