[arcticap]

It's a Derringer that shoots .177 round balls and pellets.
At Cabela's:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/standard-pod.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/pod-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20712-cat20817&rid=&indexId=cat20817&navAction=push&masterpathid=&navCount=1&parentType=index&parentId=cat20817&id=0065767

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Pod/06/57/67/p065767sq01.jpg

[HisSoldier]

Ironic that you just posted this, I just saw it in the Cabela's catalog and was lusting after it. I have the Rider pistol which is similar.

[arcticap]

I wonder if the #209's will cause some flame to come out of the short barrel?

[grymster]

I wonder what kind of velocities would be generated.

[HisSoldier]

I admit my ignorance. What is the power difference between a 209 primer and other types? What about the difference between that and a #11 cap? Is there a measurement standard available?

[arcticap]

On page 83 of DaveEhrig's book "Muzzleloading for Deer & Turkey", he lists some information on percussion caps and primers.

#11 standard cap - 6.53 cc of gas at 3,024 degrees F when fired.
#11 magnum cap - 7.59 cc of gas at 3,717 degrees F when fired.
U.S. #2 musket cap - 14.36 cc of gas at 3,717 degrees F when fired.
#209 shotgun primer - 21.98 cc of gas at 3,024 degrees F when fired.
#200 rifle primer - 11.68 cc of gas at 3,024 degrees F when fired.


And Toby Bridges came up with another method to measure the relative strength of different brands of 209 primers by shooting a patched .32 ball out of an inline without any powder at all, and he then chronographed the average velocity of 3 shots of each. It illustrates that even 209 primers are not all the same:


http://www.Hpmuzzleloading.com/technical3.html

With a variety of the primers, I headed for the range with the Green Mountain .32 in-line rifle and my chronograph. I started by snapping a couple of primers to get a little base fouling in the bore. Then I wiped the bore with four clean dry patches, exactly how I would wipe the bore between each and every shot. I figured this would give me the same amount of resistance for each and every primer popped behind the well greased patch and light ball. And for each primer tested, I fired 5 shots across the chronograph, then eliminated the highest and lowest velocity readings. The velocities of the remaining three shots were then averaged. And here are the velocities that were recorded for the following No. 209 primers...including the new "Muzzleloading Primers".

Winchester 209ML ........................221 f.p.s.
Winchester 209 Triple Seven ML.....244 f.p.s.
Remington 209 Kleanbore ML ........318 f.p.s.
Std. Winchester No. 209A ..............336 f.p.s.
Std. Remington No. 209 .................341 f.p.s.
Cheddite No. 209 ...........................347 f.p.s.
Federal No. 209A ...........................381 f.p.s.
And for comparison, we also ran the Precision Rifle "Vari-Flame" through this test, using both Winchester "Small Pistol" and "Small Rifle" primers.
Winchester WSP "Small Pistol" ........116 f.p.s.
Winchester WSR "Small Rifle" .........143 f.p.s.

The average weight of a .177 pistol pellet is about 7.7 grains while a .32 round ball weighs about 49 grains. So the velocity of an airgun pellet should be considerably higher then those listed above.
But there will also be some velocity lost due to the Pedersoli's shorter barrel.

[HisSoldier]

Yes I just came across that website. The heat would be unimportant I expect, in a parlor pistol with primer only.

So, someone will have to anti up and buy one of these and test the velocities, hmm, I wonder if that would be a good enough reason to buy one, to my wife I mean. :D

I can say though that my Pedersoli Remington Rider is extremely enemic, a .168 diameter lead BB will not enter fir plywood at any range.

[Smokin_Gun]

Cute lil' parlor pistol I Like it, but usually have this lil' .22 five shot cap and ball in my pocket, uses a .3cc dipper w/a conical a bit more with #4 .240 buckshot. (Freedom Arms) Unfortunately I believe they are no longer made ... another collector's item.
Here's a better Pic of it.
http://i35.tinypic.com/dq50kl.jpg

SG

[BHP FAN]

Oh,great.A new gun for me to obsess over.I WILL have to get one of those lil' cuties.

[HisSoldier]

Oh,great.A new gun for me to obsess over.I WILL have to get one of those lil' cuties.

I know. :(

[reelredneck1]

I made a gun similar to that and it has enough power to push a steel bb through an inch and a half of wood. I would estimate the velocity to be over 1000fps with only a federal 209a primer.checkout my thread on it. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=489700&highlight=209+ignition

[CAMPBELL49T]

atricap, You got to stop this. I'm not rolling doe. My Granddaughter is not a pedestrian no more. Things are looking better for next month. Cute little pop gun. I didn't start doing bp 30 years ago like some. And it is hard playing :banghead:catch up.

[arcticap]

Not trying to encourage you at all but rated at 3.3 out of 5 the Cabela's user reviews are a bit mixed. ;)

[zimmerstutzen]

Pedersoli makes a longer barrel, non 209, version in 177 and 32 cal. However, they are virtually impossible to find in the US.

Check the Zimmer and the saloon guns a little over half way down this page:

http://www.cherrys.com/ped_pist.htm