[doglb]

Here is the picture!
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/549/pix2215592625vf9.th.jpg (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pix2215592625vf9.jpg)

Here is the description on GB!
This 22 Hornet is in like new condition.One original owner. Holds 8 rounds of 22 Hornet, 10 in. barrel. Only has been shot 6 rounds. Owner is 86 years old and cound not hold this gun straight being so barrel heavy. He invested more money putting on forward grip, but then could not find holster. Needless to say it is now at my gun store on consignment.Buyer pays shipping. Give this a good home.


And you wonder why gun owners get the shaft! Follow the damn rules it makes all of us look bad when we see stuff like this!!
Idiot of the day!!

Granted, I understand that the gentleman who owned this was older and maybe needed the support, however, someone should have told this guy that without the proper paperwork/tax stamp its illegal!

We are here to help each other out when it comes to gun faqs, reviews, gunsmithing, etc. This just makes everyone look bad!!

[mio]

i dont like how it looks so i wouldnt buy it but how is it illegal?

is it because the handle acts as a forearm would on a rifle/shotgun?

[doglb]

a pistol cannot have a forward vertical grip without the proper paperwork!

[MIgunguy]

Yeah, the ATF would have a problem with this.

[Jim K]

I thought the prohibition of a vertical foregrip on a pistol was part of the expired AWB. I can't find it in the current law or regulations, but maybe someone can point me in the right direction.

(That aside, I don't like the idea of having my hand/arm near the barrel-cylinder gap on a revolver.)

Jim

[Bubba613]

After much searching, I discover that "handgun" is defined in GCA etc as a weapon meant to be fired with one hand.
This gun is meant to be fired with 2 hands. Ergo it is not a pistol.
It isnt a rifle either btw.

[mio]

is a handgun really meant to be fired with one hand? i dont fire mine that way. can be? yes however the squirrels would probably laugh at me.

[wyocarp]

Illegal or not, I think it might be a good idea. It doesn't make me look bad.

[Colt Smith]

Maybe you could politely inform the consignor of the applicable law or laws. Then suggest that he might take the gun back to the gunsmith who did the work and have the fore grip removed before it can be sold legally.

Other suggestions?

[Gordon]

Change it to a bipod! You don't want a hand forward of the cylider gap anyway on a high intensity revolver!

[jpatterson]

That is absolutely hideous. But +1 on letting him know of the legalities, you will likely save someone some legal trouble.

[beardownwildcat]

definitely illegal unless you get a class III stamp for it. by placing a forward grip on it you make it a SBR or short barrelled rifle. like putting a stock on the gsg5 pistol or forward grip on a plr-16

[Gryffydd]

Then suggest that he might take the gun back to the gunsmith who did the work and have the fore grip removed before it can be sold legally.

No need for that. It's simply a foregrip mounted on the picatinny rail. The rail is perfectly legal. It would take about 5 seconds to remove the grip.

[Gryffydd]

Then suggest that he might take the gun back to the gunsmith who did the work and have the fore grip removed before it can be sold legally.

No need for that. It's simply a foregrip mounted on the picatinny rail. The rail is perfectly legal. It would take about 5 seconds to remove the grip.

[Gryffydd]

Then suggest that he might take the gun back to the gunsmith who did the work and have the fore grip removed before it can be sold legally.

No need for that. It's simply a foregrip mounted on the picatinny rail. The rail is perfectly legal. It would take about 5 seconds to remove the grip.

[beardownwildcat]

definitely illegal unless you get a class III stamp for it. by placing a forward grip on it you make it a SBR or short barrelled rifle. like putting a stock on the gsg5 pistol or forward grip on a plr-16

[Gryffydd]

Then suggest that he might take the gun back to the gunsmith who did the work and have the fore grip removed before it can be sold legally.

No need for that. It's simply a foregrip mounted on the picatinny rail. The rail is perfectly legal. It would take about 5 seconds to remove the grip.

[beardownwildcat]

dupe, stupid internet

[C-grunt]

Its an assault revolver.

[Bubba613]

is a handgun really meant to be fired with one hand? i dont fire mine that way. can be? yes however the squirrels would probably laugh at me.
Yes! Go look at pics of cops from the 1920s shooting. The classic position was left hand on the hip, turned to the target, right hand holding gun with elbow bent underneath.
How far we've come. Thank you Jeff Cooper.

[Gryffydd]

Um...wow. I'm new around here and I just want to apologize for that debacle up there. None of my posts were showing up... Well, live and learn.

[JFrame]

Um...wow. I'm new around here and I just want to apologize for that debacle up there. None of my posts were showing up... Well, live and learn.

Hah -- no problem, Gryffydd :)...

Anyone who has ever posted on a forum has been there, at one time or another...:D

[Friendly, Don't Fire!]

How come this gun isn't black?

I thought all "evil" guns are black.

[Big Matt]

I understand the legalese of the vertical foregrip on a pistol. However, I would like more info on the statement: "the prohibition of a vertical foregrip on a pistol was part of the expired AWB."

Is this the case or can the ATF still persecute those with these "minor cosmetic" variations???

[Storm]

Putting that foregrip on the revolver makes it an AOW (Any Other Weapon). Add a stock and you have an SBR.

[SwampWolf]

You'd have to kill a cow and a half to make a holster for this gun.

[Sam1911]

Putting that foregrip on the revolver makes it an AOW (Any Other Weapon). Add a stock and you have an SBR.

BINGO! We finally have a winner!

There really should be a sticky somewhere for the basics of the National Firearms Act.

Adding any forward vertical grip to a pistol makes it an "Any Other Weapon" and creation of such requires payment of the tax stamp (BEFORE you "create" it).

-Sam

[Zundfolge]

I would like more info on the statement: "the prohibition of a vertical foregrip on a pistol was part of the expired AWB."
The statement is incorrect.

Vertical foregrip on a pistol was part of the UNEXPIRED 1934 National Firearms Act.

This listing has been up for quite a while on GB, I emailed the seller a couple weeks ago telling him he was selling 10 years in the federal pen and he never responded back.

The fact that this gun is still for sale (http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=120618282) with the vertical grip shows this guy is either an idiot or its a BATFE sting.

[3pairs12]

So if you built a pistol AR you could not put foregrip on it?

[Zundfolge]

So if you built a pistol AR you could not put foregrip on it?
No, you cannot. Not unless you register it with the ATF as an AOW before you attach the vertical foregrip (which costs you $200. Transfer of an AOW is only $5)