My wife says my son's not old enough.to shoot..


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OneShot
September 26, 2003, 07:53 PM
I have an eight year old son. Today I bought him a Henry, Mini Bolt 22 that I intend to give him for Xmas (if I can wait) I intend at that time to start teaching him how to shoot. My wife has expressed, rather loudly that he is not old enough to be shooting a "real" gun and should instead stick to a BB gun. He has been shooting a BB gun now for about a year and is very safe and shoots it very well.

I feel that he is old enough to start going to the range with me and it would also provide some father, Son bonding time. I also feel that it would teach him some responsibility to boot.

Do you guys feel that he is too young? Is Mom being overprotective? My wife also shoots so I do feel that she is being a bit hypocritical (sp?) about the whole thing.

I can't wait to see the grin on his face when he fires the first round. Here's a link to the little Henry. http://www.henryrepeating.com/minibolt.cfm
It is one NEAT little rifle.

Any advice/feedback would be greatly appreciated.-Rob

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Sisco
September 26, 2003, 08:01 PM
Never too young to learn how to shoot safely. My Dad never allowed me to have a BB gun. Figured I'd just get in trouble with it; stray cats, neighbors windows, putting my eye out etc. He did get me a .22 when I was about eight.

.45FMJoe
September 26, 2003, 08:01 PM
Heck no it's not too early! It's right on track! Go for it, teach them when they are young and most impressionable. Be sure to drill safety first and the rest will fall into place!

Tell your wife I said to shut the hell up, I had to put up with a mother that was actually worse than her (no guns til I was 21) and it's one thing I really hold a grudge about.:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:


:D :D

Hkmp5sd
September 26, 2003, 08:05 PM
Too young? He's almost over the hill.

If he is old enough to know what guns are and shows an interest in them, you should absolutely teach him about guns and the proper way to use them. Just like teaching a young one to swim, it makes him safer. In the event he comes across a gun at home or at a friends house, if he has firearms training, you may just avoid having a police officer knock on your door to tell you about an accidental shooting.

jar
September 26, 2003, 08:07 PM
He's at that age where your word is still gospel and what he learns will stick for life.

My introduction to shooting was at about six with a Colt 1911 that followed Dad home from WWII. We began with safety and cleaning drills, assembly and tear down. The goal was that once I showed him that I could clean and assemble the gun and demonstrate safe handling, I'd get to go shoot with him. You better believe I worked hard to learn what was needed.

I think what you're doing is great.

Politically Incorrect
September 26, 2003, 08:07 PM
I was shooting for a couple of years when at age nine I shot my father's S&W Model 29 with a full power .44 Magnum. I remember the gun recoiled upwards and my middle finger felt like it was broken from banging against the bottom of the trigger guard. The round hit the dirt hill some twenty yards in front of me, but wasn't even close to the target.

But I'll never forget how excited I was to shoot Dirty Harry's gun.

You're son is old enough-especially after showing responsibility with a BB gun. And it isn't if he's going unsupervised, which my dad allows me to do at age 27. :neener:

Art Eatman
September 26, 2003, 08:08 PM
I was given my first BB gun around age six or seven. After a year or so, my grandfather let me shoot his .22 rifle. By age nine, I was on my own, out in the pasture, with about the only restriction being, "Now, don'g shoot any cows!"

By age 11 or 12 I had my own Marlin tube-magazine .22, which lived in my closet, not my parents'.

Eight is not too young for supervised shooting.

My own son was raised in this pattern...

Art

Quartus
September 26, 2003, 08:17 PM
A year of using a BB gun responsibly sounds like a good track record to me. I'd go ahead.

Zedicus
September 26, 2003, 08:20 PM
Try having a mom that is a total anti, first time i was able to get near a gun of any sort was when I was 16, and that was only because I never told her :)

about a week later I found out with a friend's .177 air rifle that I was a quite good shot.
(again neglecting to tell my mom untill I had been shooting a friend's air rifle for about 6 months)

now i'm 24 and live in the anti heaven of the uk:(, and cant wait till I get back on US dirt so i can go shooting again :)

Kimber45
September 26, 2003, 08:22 PM
I had my first gun by that age. My grandfather made sure we were all shooting by at least age 6. In fact the little 22 that my mother and all her sisters were taught on then all the grand kids were taught on and finally the great grand kids started on, went to my aunt. I wish it would have come my way, but I was happy to get his Remington model 14 1/2 cal. 44/40 rifle I learned to hunt with before I got a Model 94 - 32 Win Spcl from my father in the early 60's.

rayra
September 26, 2003, 08:25 PM
If the boy already has been taught and exhibits solid gun safety behaviour, has that BB-gun track record, and the wife already shoots, don't see any reason at all why the boy shouldn't 'move up'.
Without starting a fight, ask your wife to go into detail about her objections - safety? answered. shooting? already doing it. Doesn't want her baby boy to grow up?

Blackhawk
September 26, 2003, 08:25 PM
Your wife is wrong.

Teaching kids gun handling, safety, and shooting is every bit as important as teaching them to swim, walking where cars travel, and being wary of strangers.

They're ALL hazards to growing up that they WILL encounter.

They can learn the hard way or the easy way.

You're the easy way for him to learn....

jrhead75
September 26, 2003, 08:31 PM
Not too young at all, it's never too early to teach safe gun handling and use (well, almost never).

To keep peace at home, you might want to stress the father/son bonding angle, and make sure that the wife knows that you'll always be around him when the .22 is out (for now anyway).

Good luck!

ruger fan 101
September 26, 2003, 08:40 PM
Not too young! I was 6 when I got my first .22. Still have it. It is all in the teacher. If the teacher is safe the student will be also. Have fun be safe and enjoy.

son of a gun
September 26, 2003, 08:43 PM
http://mysmilies.creativesell.net/contrib/ut2/camper.gifIt's gonna be hilarious when he goes to school Monday and say's "my dad bought me a gun"http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/lilly/hmm3grin2orange.gif

spacemanspiff
September 26, 2003, 08:52 PM
if the child is responsible with a BB gun, and knows that shooting time is serious business, by all means the little one is ready for a .22

last time at the range a father was there with his kids, probably 10-11, shooting a full auto MAC. those kids looked like they were having a hellofa time!

another range trip a father had his 11 yr old, kids got his own .22 pistol and is ripping it up. the kid likes the looks of my POS ap-9 so i ask the father if hes okay with me letting the kid shoot it. that kid had fun with it, but you could see his overeagerness at times, and after 15 minutes or so, the father just gave his son a look and the kid said 'thank you, i've had enough'.

the respect the kid showed and awareness of what his father was thinking impressed me.

Hot brass
September 26, 2003, 08:55 PM
I started my kids shooting at the age of 3-4yrs old. They see my guns and its no big deal. I have instilled in the kids if you are anothers house and someone brings out a gun come home RIGHT now.

HankB
September 26, 2003, 08:59 PM
If the child is interested, there is NO age that's "too young" to go shooting with Dad.

I had my first BB gun at age four - it was one of those Daisy guns that cocked like a pump shotgun, but the pump was actually a toggle action, sort of like an upside-down Luger. I was too little to even reach the trigger unless I tucked the buttstock under my armpit, let alone cock it myself, but boy, was I ever proud of that BB gun - it was mine and it stayed behind the door in my room.

Until my mother saw - when I was shooting it in the backyard with my Dad - that I'd finally grown enough to cock it myself. Then it had to stay behind the side door instead of in my room. :(

Then I got a .22 rifle at age 7, an air pistol at about 11, and a .22 Colt Diamondback for 8th grade graduation. The ironclad rule I had to live by from about age 10 to high school was that I was free to target shoot either with Dad or by myself, but never with any other kids unless Dad was there. He figured - quite rightly - that whatever good sense a kid has is reduced by a factor equal to the square of the number of other kids he's with.

Pheonix
September 26, 2003, 09:00 PM
My son was 5 when he started to shoot my guns. The wife and I agree that when he is 8 he will get a .22/.410 combo (barrel changes), single shot, so he can focus on the one shot hit!

Standing Wolf
September 26, 2003, 09:27 PM
Eight doesn't seem too young to me, especially if he's already a BB shooter. I've seen children as young as four shooting live ammunition in real guns—under very close adult supervision, of course.

Poplin
September 26, 2003, 09:32 PM
Oneshot and friends:

Gun education is like sex education. Your kids will surely be exposed to sex. It is serious, life-and-death stuff. Aren't parents the best folks to explain to kids all about that? I'd sure rather any kid of mine learn the facts of life from me than from television or their friends or even school. There's no escaping sex!

There's no escaping guns either! Your kids will surely be exposed to guns. You'd better not let TV or their friends or their school do the teaching.

Heck, since you yourself are a shooter, you can't very well tell your kids, "Sorry, only mommy and daddy can shoot. Guns are forbidden and mysterious to children like you." What would an 8-year old kid do in response to that?

t driver
September 26, 2003, 09:44 PM
Since he has already demonstrated responsibility and safety,I feel he is ready for his first .22.
There have been many good posts in this thread. I wish my dad had taken me more while I was young. I didn't get my first taste until I was about 13. Then... nothing until I was 30, on my own, and could buy my own and afford to feed them.
Take your son and enjoy the time you spend together. Neither of you will regret it.

OneShot
September 26, 2003, 10:04 PM
Such great responses...

I am almost left speechless.

I told my wife of this thread and she has been sitting here reading through it.. She now has a different view on the subject and will be accompanying us to the range.

Poplin, your response seemed to sum the subject up, and really made her think.

Thanks to all of you for your responses.--Sincerely, Mr. and Mrs. Oneshot.

feedthehogs
September 26, 2003, 10:33 PM
Eddie Eagle is geared for kids like your sons age so he is not too young.

Taught my daughter young, she grew up to shoot competitively and won many trophies. Did a lot for her self confidence. People always remarked she was mature beyond her age.

Better to get them before the socialist school system teaches him to hate guns because they are bad.

Topgun
September 26, 2003, 10:37 PM
My kid was 8.

His first shot was an orange I set up for the purpose.

When that orange blew all to hell, there wasn't much more to SAY to convince him of the RESULTS of a gunshot.

Only problem was his asking for about a year why EVERYONE who got shot on TV didn't DIE. That orange made an impression.

ReadyontheRight
September 26, 2003, 10:45 PM
Thanks OneShot! I've been looking at small single-shot 22s for my son and they all seem very chinsey. This Henry looks like the ticket.

My son is 5 and still swings the barrel of his BB gun where he shouldn't, so we'll be waiting a few years.

Eight seems old enough if he's showing responsible gun handling. As someone else said -- the lessons learned that young really stick with you.

Would your wife be more comfortable if you add the ritual of locking up the gun after a shooting and cleaning session? Either in a safe or with a trigger lock.

Logistar
September 26, 2003, 10:46 PM
He's at that age where your word is still gospel and what he learns will stick for life. That's a VERY important point, Jar.

I got a Mossburg .22 bolt action around age 8.
I (even then) appreciated the fact that my dad would do that for me. He taught me safety first and I have followed his advice to this day. (Although we now constantly disagree on WHICH guns are better!;) )

I really think Jar made a great point. I wonder if I would have listened to my Dad as well if I had gotten my first gun as a teenager. As an 8 year-old, I listened.

Logistar

gun-fucious
September 27, 2003, 12:10 AM
Aguila Colibri is a great starter round

its BB gun quiet

http://www.aguilaammo.com/supercolibri.htm

Mike Irwin
September 27, 2003, 12:33 AM
My father introduced me to shooting when I was 4 or 5. I can't remember exactly, but I know I was young.

Quartus
September 27, 2003, 12:47 AM
<innocent voice>


So, Mike, was that a flintlock or a percussion cap rifle he started you on?


</innocent voice>



:D

Nightfall
September 27, 2003, 02:59 AM
If he has experience with a BB gun, is safe, and eager for more shooting, I see no excuse not to help him step up to the next level. Moms are always apprehensive, even when they know intellectually that it might be irrational to be so. Maybe include her in the first few times shooting to give her up front proof that nothing has changed.

semf
September 27, 2003, 03:28 AM
It's gonna be hilarious when he goes to school Monday and say's "my dad bought me a gun
Iwas investigated by DCF for this very reason. The teachers and principle didn't think it was right for me to "train my son with weapons"

But I don't think your wife is wrong. She's being a mother. Mine dosn't think I'm old enough to cross the street alone

You're not wrong either. You're being a father. We all want our kids especially our sons to follow somewhat in our footsteps. I believe thats called father son bonding.

Pendragon
September 27, 2003, 04:35 AM
Your son is probably not to young.

However, as much as you need to teach him about guns, you are also teaching him how to treat women and how to be a man.

I would not do it behind my wifes back, that is not something I will teach my son to do. Talk to your wife and try to pin her down on what the issue is - be nice, be gentle, her baby is growing up and a real firearm is a rite of passage or milestone for many boys.

My son is only 21 months, but he is an amazing talker. He walks by my PC and sees the Valtro that is my backgroung - he points at it and says GUN! GUN!. I swear, neither my wife nor I taught him that.

Delmar
September 27, 2003, 05:14 AM
Judging from all these posts, I had a deprived childhood! The old man said-NO BB GUNS - you'll put your eye out or some such. So, the Christmas after my 7th or 8th birthday, he buys me a single shot 20 Gauge. His reasoning was that the pellets don't go quite as far and they can be more versatile than the 22LR. Great memories of that little Savage, and the memories of my father and I going hunting will be with me forever...always with a smile!

Don Galt
September 27, 2003, 05:41 AM
Well ,you already have the rifle, so why don't you propose to your wife that he be given it for christmas, and be allowed to shoot it with you at the range or whatever, but it lives in the safe otherwise.

Then, after 6 months, maybe he is allowed to shoot it by himself, depending. The gun remains his, it just isn't always availible to him.

This seems like a reasonable compromise to me, and I suspect might answer her core issue.

One of my kin who's just 9 took his first deer this year.

Nothing like my gun free childhood, that's for sure!

swampsniper
September 27, 2003, 06:55 AM
My Daughter started hunting with me when she was so small I carried her in a back pack. When she was about 8, she started to carry an old Stevens Favorite. She had to keep the one cartridge I would give her in her shirt pocket, and the action opened, until we had a squirrel spotted. Only then could she load. Every so often I would tell her, "let me see your cartridge". She knew it better be in her pocket, not the rifle.
My Grandson started with a Daisy when he was six, under supervision. He is 11 now, and shooting a .36 cal percussion rifle I made for his mom. He is allowed to keep everything in his room, except percussion caps.
I am suprised I have not been investigated. He returned to school this year, and talked about learning to use a muzzle loader. His teacher told him it is a forbidden subject at school.

MrKandiyohi
September 27, 2003, 10:10 AM
I'm glad your wife has rethought her decision on whether or not your son can shoot a gun.

She didn't consider that there are two ways to keep a child safe in regards to guns. One is to child-proof every gun, which means that the gun and the child are keep separate from each other. This is a good idea even if you don't have a child in the house. The other way is to gun-proof a child, which means that the gun or the information about guns and the child are put together. This is a great idea even if you don't have a gun in the house.

In your house, you want to both child-proof your guns and gun-proof your child.

Daedalus
September 27, 2003, 10:50 AM
My mother was a crazy anti and my dad was pretty moderate on the subject. I didnt get to shoot at all-not even a bb gun until I was 14. I didn't get to own any firearms of my own until I moved out and mom did not have a say in the matter anymore. I made friends with some kids who happened to be very much interested in all kinds of shooting sports and we made regular trips to the rifle and skeet range throughout high school. The rest, as they say, is history.

I think my parents saw "the light" after years of my responsible acting, and my taking dad out for trips to the range. I think a local home invasion in their neighborhood stopped by an armed neighbor also had something to do with it. My dad even bought a handgun and got his CCW. I guess sometimes the kids have to do the education :D .

Mike Irwin
September 27, 2003, 12:08 PM
"So, Mike, was that a flintlock or a percussion cap rifle he started you on?"

Whom do I look like, CR Sam? :)

I'm 38 years old, Quartus.

It was a Remington 521T, with CCI MiniMag ammo. Still have that rifle. It was cold, and spitting snow, just before hunting season, because people were sighting in their rifles. That's one of the reasons why Dad took my brother and me out that day, he wanted to get a couple of shots in to make sure his deer rifle was still on.

It looked like we weren't going to be able to shoot because there were people using the range, and I started to cry because I really wanted to shoot, but the guy using the 50 meter range was a friend of Dad's, and let us skip in.

I remember that day like the back of my hand. I still had some of the shell casings until probably 15 years ago.

Waitone
September 27, 2003, 12:40 PM
So Mom thinks Junior is too young at 6 to learn to shoot guns, eh?

Does Junior watch movies, watch TV, or play video games featuring the use of firearms?

If the answer is "Yes" then Junior is either just fine to learn to use guns safely or he should immediately be prohibited from watching movies, TV or video games. What Mom doesn't realize is Junior is already being educated in firearms. Trouble is . . . . it is all wrong. Now would Mom want Junior to learn firearms properly or incorrectly bearing in mind he will learn about firearms regardless of her attitude toward you teaching him.

6 years of age is the perfect age to teach Junior about firearms. Has Mom done any shooting? Has she gone through safety and shooting training? I sorta doubt it. If Mom is ignorant of firearms use and safety perhaps an approach to take is to involve her in the training or send her to separate training. If she refuses to participate you unfortunately have a rough row to hoe.

Some of the fondest memories Junior will develop will be those of you two shooting together on cold, cold days. Don't let Mom destroy Junior's memories out of her ignorance.

jar
September 27, 2003, 12:55 PM
There's a tale, one I've probably told here before, about my introduction to guns. As I said, my Dad started me off with his 1911 that followed him home from WWII. We went through many evenings of cleaning and gun safety until I could prove that I was ready. The Monday after I shot that gun the first time, he let me take the 1911 to school for show and tell.

I lugged that heavy old gun to school and when my turn came, gave a talk on gun safety while the teacher passed that 1911 around the class. Everybody got to hold it. She was so impressed with the gun safety lesson that she had me give the same talk in several other classes.

By lunch time I was tired of lugging that thing around. I asked her to put it in her drawer where it stayed until time to go home. I can just imagine what kind of reception I would get today. :cuss: :uhoh:

pax
September 27, 2003, 07:47 PM
OneShot,

Sounds as if you and your wife have a pretty good handle on things now. I'm only posting so that I can show you and her a picture of me working with my sons a couple of years back. My husband and I have five little boys, and this was one of the first times that the younger two had been to the range with me. I think they were 6 and 7 at the time.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=327000

Also, see my (way too long) post at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=343673#post343673 -- there are a lot of pretty good posts on this topic in that thread. Just more to think about...

pax

Remember, your basic assignment as a parent is to work yourself out of a job. -- Paul Lewis

MeekandMild
September 28, 2003, 01:45 AM
Tell her Tiger Woods shot a 48 on a nine hole golf course by the time he was two years old. :D

Tell her it is normal to start out tennis players at age three and Chanda Rubin was 14 when she won a place on the United States Tennis Association national team.

Tell her Kristi Yamaguchi started seriously skating at age seven.

Then again there are late starters. Jose Canseco started playing baseball at age 13. :rolleyes:

More info about kids and sports: http://www.onlinesports.com/sportstrust/creative16.html

Stevie-Ray
September 28, 2003, 02:21 AM
If he's already shooting BBs safely, then yes he should be shooting a firearm. I'm of the mind that shooting a firearm comes first so a child learns gun safety and responsibility. Usually there are less "accidents" with the BB gun later, as firearm safety in ingrained.

OneShot
September 28, 2003, 05:27 AM
Well I got around the MOM issue today for good I think....Our son has been away with his Aunt and Uncle this weekend and I talked the wife into taking a ride to look at some Yugo SKS's that were on sale. While we were looking at some really nice examples, She mentioned that although she had two pistols of her own, she didn't have a rifle to go to the range with me and my sons new rifle.

OK I thought, she went from "No way, he's too young , to OK, if you're both going, I'm going too" in the course of one day. Women, amazing, puzzleing creatures, I thought...... I had a nice 22 in mind, but she had other ideas.

Needless to say we ended up buying TWO SKS'S, instead of one. It's better that She has her own and won't be bumming mine. What the heck, She already shoots my 44 mag, what harm will an SKS do.

Anyhow, thanks again for all the wonderful replies--Oneshot and family

PzGren
September 28, 2003, 06:53 AM
It is not too early, especially for a long gun. My boys were four and five years old, when I bought some .22 l.r. Roehms for their little hands. When they were about eight years old they talked me out of my S&W 19 in four inch and my S&W 625...and that was only the beginning!

When they were about 7 and 6 years old, they found a loaded .38 snubbie under an uncles bed, in the room where they played with their cousins. They could see the hammer down and the brass in the cylinder, evacuated the room, and called me.

I was very pround that day. I am very proud now, when I take my 13, 14 year old boys to the range and get comments about them shooting very well.

MeekandMild
September 28, 2003, 10:48 AM
Needless to say we ended up buying TWO SKS'S, instead of one. Now you're going to make the kid jealous. Poor kid will be shooting a .22 while his parents shoot 7.62's. He may be warped for life until you buy him a .243 AR-10 to compensate for his misery. :(

Seriously, my vote is you get either three .22s or the .22 and nothing else until he can graduate to center fire.

ojibweindian
September 28, 2003, 01:18 PM
I gave my daugher my single shot Savage 12 gauge when she was 8. She's too small to actually shoot the thing, but with it I have been teaching her the four rules of gun safety.

greyhound
September 28, 2003, 04:57 PM
The teachers and principle didn't think it was right for me to "train my son with weapons"

He returned to school this year, and talked about learning to use a muzzle loader. His teacher told him it is a forbidden subject at school.

What gives these people the right to concern themselves with what hobbies kids have outside of school?

cool45auto
September 28, 2003, 11:53 PM
I started my daughter with my Beretta U22 Neos when she was seven.

FTG-05
September 29, 2003, 08:22 AM
I bought my son his first gun when he was 1 year old, a Remington M-7 in 7mm-08, I'm just breaking it in for him!!:) His second gun was a single shot .22. He started shooting that around 4 and quit at 5. That's when he learned about my Ruger 10-22 and .22 pistol. Now he wants nothing to do with the single shot and he's since "stole" both of my Rugers.

When he was 6, I left him at the .22 firing line with other adult shooters while I mowed the rifle range. One of the adults stopped me before he left and told me that my son was very mature and very safe with my (now his) guns. It made very proud!

He started shooting an AR-15 at 7 and now at 9 wants to shoot his M-7 and my AR-10. Life doesn't get much better when your kid wants to shoot your guns.

To answer your question: No, your son is not too young to shoot a gun.

Jeff OTMG
September 30, 2003, 09:26 PM
OOPS!!!! (mouth closed)

pax
September 30, 2003, 09:32 PM
psssst! Jeff! You may want to read the thread starter's subsequent posts before you go insulting his wife.

pax

We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken

sm
September 30, 2003, 09:51 PM
Well I started with a 22 revolver at around 3 or 4 with help. 1911 style at age 6. I didn't own a BB gun till I hit about 34 ...I turned out OK :p My folks set me loose as early as 6 with MY 22 revolver.

I believe it depends on the maturity of the child. Poplin make a great point, and not just in reference to firearms. Kids are curious, better to learn it right from the get - go from a responsible adult. Especially parents.

I'm glad the problem is resolved, I guess mom got over the original idea of the kid getting into her gun fund :D Why do I percieve the kid shooting the SKS and the parents shoooting the .22 ? Parents, I swear !

I see pax taught her kids to carve pumpkins as I was taught...I learned using .22lr, .38 spls , and 45 ACP saves wear and tear on kitchen knives, less likely for one to slip and cut themselves. Humm, '06, kinda sorta not recommended for pumpkin...not for decoration or lantern anyway...pies...yep saves a few steps...:D

(pax, just ribbing ya, nice bunch you have)

MeekandMild
September 30, 2003, 11:40 PM
What gives these people the right to concern themselves with what hobbies kids have outside of school? Nothing, but this is the perfect opportunity to train the children in the facts of life in a meddlesome society. This is a good lesson in the fact that some people will screw you over on the presumption that they have business meddling in your life.

Also it is a good lesson on the old adage "loose lips sink ships", a rather dated but pertinent observation on the need for minding one's own tongue.

I have found that early reading of the Heinlein childrens' novels was very helpful in gently broaching the subject that sometimes what people do is their own business and not the nanny-state's. I think that Heinlein can be introduced to children at age 8 or 9 if they have good reading skills. I recomend "The Rolling Stones", "The Menace From Earth", "Have Space Suit Will Travel", The Red Planet", "Starman Jones" et cetera then slipping in "Citizen of the Galaxy" and "Tunnel in the Sky". By the time they are 10-12 they should be reading everything except his latter novels.

Don't let them read any of Heinlein's adult works until they are 16-18.

Ditto for George Orwell. He is probably better delayed until about age 15-16. I still recall my dread at reading 1984 when I was 12.

GSB
October 1, 2003, 09:16 AM
Eight is a great age to start teaching a skill. How many of us as adults say, "If only I'd learned how to [whatever] when I was a kid, I'd be so much better at this."

There's a reason they start kids young in music, martial arts and chess.

MoNsTeR
October 1, 2003, 03:40 PM
I was 8 or 9 when my uncle taught me to shoot. Later, I shot NRA smallbore when I was in the 5th grade, every thursday night.

I can't see what harm it could possibly do. If someone proposes otherwise, I challenge them to make an argument for their position instead of an assertion.

Black Snowman
October 1, 2003, 04:04 PM
Enjoy your family night out at the range.

I don't have any kids but my roommates son is about 5 now. When he was 4 he became interested in my gun collection and reloading. Reloading bored him pretty quickly but he was still curious about the guns.

I told him that the guns were dangerous and could kill, but if he wanted to know how they worked or to see any of them to just let me or his dad know and we'd show him. I took the time to go over at least the "point in a safe direction" part of the 4 rules before he interupted me.

He said "That's OK, I like my toy guns better. I can play with them without hurting anybody."

Since then he hasn't shown much interest, but I bet he'll be pro-gun when he gets bigger :)

RocketMan
October 1, 2003, 10:10 PM
My Dad had me shooting his Stevens Model 87A .22 the first time at age five. Of course, he had to hold the rifle up, I just aimed. Did pretty well, too, as I remember.
FWIW.

OneShot
October 5, 2003, 10:04 PM
Well, all's well that ends well. Here Mike is at the range this morning shooting the 10/22. His little Mini Bolt clears for pick up on Tues. You might notice Mom in the background blasting away!!:D :D :D

I'm a happy man--Oneshot and family

OneShot
October 5, 2003, 10:06 PM
Mother and Son

MaterDei
October 6, 2003, 12:36 AM
A Ruger 10/22 with a hot lips mag. Nice!!! He looks like one happy boy.

What kind of scope/mount are you using there? I'm in the market for a scope for my boy's 10/22.

Wanderer
October 6, 2003, 07:20 AM
Age is not a factor. Responsibility and Maturity are.

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