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wherestheham
January 12, 2009, 10:11 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3268/3161437456_62c714ee4c_m.jpgWe are allowed to take one visitor to the range. This is not what I had in mind!:what:

Not sure what type he is but I did leave him alone.:cool:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3296/2680755195_f314967927_m.jpg

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Sato Ord
January 12, 2009, 10:35 AM
Hmmm, diamond shaped head, heavy body, short tail, North American. Sometimes you can get the odd, light colored cotton mouth, but it looks most like an eastern diamondback. Maybe you can get a better picture of the markings after it finishes shedding, its skin is a little dull right now. Try to find it again in about a week or two.

jerkface11
January 12, 2009, 05:27 PM
If we knew where you were we could make a better guess. I'm going to say cotton mouth even though that doesn't look like cotton mouth territory.

Treo
January 12, 2009, 05:34 PM
Give an idea where you're at

Sato Ord
January 12, 2009, 05:39 PM
If we knew where you were we could make a better guess. I'm going to say cotton mouth even though that doesn't look like cotton mouth territory.

Yeah, I thought cotton mouth too, but the markings you can see definitely look more like timber rattlesnake, which is what I meant to say, not eastern diamondback which has a well defined diamond pattern.

The cotton mouth is a good choice because contrary to popular belief they can be lighter in color, especially when young. The cotton mouth is actually quite closely related to the rattlesnakes, they will often even shake their tails when nervous, and in dry leaves they can rustle the leaves and sound a little like a rattler. Also, you don't have to be near water to find them, they prefer wet habitats, but can be found miles from water if they are out looking for romance.

Yeah, venomous snakes are bit of a hobby with me. I had to promise the wife I would stop handling the critters when she was four months pregnant with our son. She picked me up at our local reptile emporium and found out I'd been handling Gaboon Vipers and spitting cobras. She wasn't happy, and kept muttering some nonsense about the kid not even being born yet and I was trying to orphan him; made me promise to leave them alone from then on.

sharkhunter2018
January 12, 2009, 05:40 PM
I'm gonna say cotton mouth as well. Pic is small, bit it certainly doesn't appear to have any rattles, so its not a rattler. Location would help quite a bit though.

Tennessee Ned
January 12, 2009, 05:42 PM
It might be a bore snake?...

sojournerhome
January 12, 2009, 05:44 PM
What no snake shot for all those guns?:confused:

blutarsky
January 12, 2009, 05:45 PM
It might be a bore snake?...

HA! ;)

jerkface11
January 12, 2009, 05:46 PM
This is way more fun than the ID that rifle threads.

Sato Ord
January 12, 2009, 05:51 PM
I'm gonna say cotton mouth as well. Pic is small, bit it certainly doesn't appear to have any rattles, so its not a rattler. Location would help quite a bit though.

Yeah, I noticed that too, but like you say the pick is small, you might not see rattles if it only has a few buttons. I'm calling timber rattler because of the markings, but, like I said, those can be deceiving also. could be a cotton mouth.

As for the snake shot, why? It didn't seem to be hurting anything. You leave them alone they'll pretty much show you the same courtesy.

U.S.SFC_RET
January 12, 2009, 06:26 PM
Cottonmouth. Is there any water nearby? Believe it or not most of the time they are non aggressive. Its the highland moccasin (Copperhead) you should worry about. Hard to see and his best defence is to bite and scat off.

Cottonmouths will give you the classic warning. Big white mouth and the hiss.
(Stay away from me) especially when surprized. If not surprized they usually slither off.

There was a professor at the University of Georgia who did a study on them for years. You can step on them and they most usually won't bite. You can brush them away with your foot and same thing. Once you reach down to pick one up. Bam!!:eek:

sharkhunter2018
January 12, 2009, 06:50 PM
you might not see rattles if it only has a few buttons

Yeah, I thought of that after I posted. It's certainly a possibility though. Can be tricky trying to identify a species, especially the young since many of the venomous snakes look so much alike when they are juvenile. After looking around on google images, I'm stickin' with cotton mouth. The markings and coloration look like cotton mouth.

Sato Ord
January 12, 2009, 07:05 PM
Yeah, Sharkhunter, I'm thinkin' you're right. You may have noticed in my first response I mentioned a cotton mouth first. Probably because it was my first gut reaction, most likely should have stuck with it.

U.S.SFC_RET, good call too. I once overheard a conversation at Blue Springs, which is a private spring outside of the town of High Springs, Florida. We were on the dock waiting our turn in line to dive in and one woman said to her friend that she was sure glad that there were no snakes around, because she had heard that cotton mouths were so aggressive. She and her friend both decided to stop swimming when I pointed out the six footer that had been sunning itself on a log less than a dozen feet from where all of us diving in had been hitting the water. The snake had been there for at least two hours because it was there when I arrived.

bobby n.
January 12, 2009, 07:09 PM
that there is a massasauga, or a canebrake.. weve got em all over nc

Dave B
January 12, 2009, 09:47 PM
My range visitors are bigger than yourshttp://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q159/dbeeson3/DSC00641.jpg

Rubber_Duck
January 12, 2009, 10:37 PM
Dave B, your pic reminds me of my shooting range!

We always have cows grazing that eventually start hanging out by the targets, and force everybody to move a few hundred yards to one side or the other.

wherestheham
January 12, 2009, 11:08 PM
Give an idea where you're at

I'm in NW Florida. There is water not far from the range but this did not look like the Cotton Mouths I'm used to seeing.

Also, this guy was not aggressive at all. He never hissed, never opened his mouth; basically just sat there and looked at us.

I usually don't kill snakes unless they are somewhere that I can't get away from. I love the outdoors and believe they are there for a reason.:cool:

As long as I see them first, I'm okay!

jethro75
January 13, 2009, 02:43 PM
I would say cottonmouth by its dull coloring. A copperheads colors are usually more apparent. Its definitely not a rattlesnake. There tails are not that sleek at he end. Cut the end of the tail off from the last curve and that is what a rattlers tail would look like even if all the buttens were absent.

LKB3rd
January 13, 2009, 06:06 PM
Copperheads are also surprisingly small. They are around 3 feet long fully grown. The first time I saw one I thought it was a juvenile, but I was at a museum with wildlife exhibits and found out that they are that small fully grown.
Sure looks like this pic of a water moccasin/cottonmouth
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.gpnc.org/images/jpegs/animals/Cottonmouth.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.gpnc.org/cottonmouth.htm&h=369&w=502&sz=22&tbnid=uEXwwn4dlb-iJM::&tbnh=96&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcottonmouth&usg=__m-Pc52FX10oM3DR2Wuvc6IQGtCk=&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=3&ct=image&cd=1

Phydeaux642
January 13, 2009, 06:10 PM
It's a rattle-headed coppermoccasin.:eek:

wherestheham
January 13, 2009, 10:27 PM
It's a rattle-headed coppermoccasin.


Thats EXACTLY what I thought!:D

caseypj
January 13, 2009, 10:28 PM
At my old range, someone was bit by a poisonous snake and died, he didn't realize he had been bitten on his ankle until he was showing signs. A couple months later there was another snake in the corner and the range master shot it with a .22 revolver (shotshell). There's a shortage of quality ranges in South Florida unfortunately.

Duke of Doubt
January 13, 2009, 10:30 PM
Did you grab it by the tail and swing it around and around until you slammed its head on the table? I've wanted to do that for a long time.

thebaldguy
January 13, 2009, 10:32 PM
All you ex-Army soldiers know it's Jake the Airborne Snake!

FoMoGo
January 13, 2009, 10:35 PM
My vote is for cottonmouth.
http://www.carolinanature.com/herps/cottonmouth3666a.jpg
http://www.carolinanature.com/herps/cottonmouth7785.jpg


Jim

jakk280rem
January 13, 2009, 10:36 PM
round tail, poisonousus. pointy tail, non-poisonous. i guess bull snake.

blutarsky
January 14, 2009, 03:29 AM
ya know, all kidding aside, i've never REALLY thought about snakes when i've headed to the local ranges, even though we've encountered several deadly varieties on our property. in retrospect, it seems unwise to NOT bring a revolver and some snakeshot to the range, just in case.

ps, not knowing the OP's snake's disposition, my vote on appearance alone would be with the consensus of cottonmouth -- but was he an ornery aggressive jerk? cottonmouths tend to not leave well enough alone, and their aggressive nature can be a tip-off... if the snake was content to just let you photograph him and go about your business, that alone might be reason to think otherwise. on the other hand, if he was aggressive and chased you off, then i'd double my money on cottonmouth.

U.S.SFC_RET
January 14, 2009, 06:45 AM
They do get aggressive come mating season. Don't want you in on the competion.:D

moooose102
January 14, 2009, 07:14 AM
dave b, i like your range visitors better! them thar is good eatin!

HOME DEPOT GEORGE
January 14, 2009, 08:49 PM
Definitely a cottonmouth/moccasin I've run across them in my area while fishing many times. The giveaway besides the colors is the arrow shaped head.

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