Company changes its policy on firearms


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Sisco
January 15, 2003, 11:15 PM
I work for an electrical generation facility. The company allowed employees to build a shooting range on their property with volunteer labor & discarded materials.
For the last twenty years however company policy said that no firearms were allowed on the plant site itself (range was built some distance from the plant site proper).
A few weeks ago some long standing policies were changed, the firearms rule now says "No illegal firearms are allowed on site! :D
A co-worker who is openly anti asked me today what I thought that meant. I said to me it means I can't bring something along the lines of a sawed-off shotgun or a full auto into the site. Apparently anything else is OK.
A supervisor echoed my sentiment and said he was told the policy changed because some employees want to go hunting or target shooting after work and there was no reason not to allow them to have their guns in their vehicles. He was also under the impression that if I wanted to sell one of my guns to another employee there was no problem with my bringing it to show. :D :D (did that myself just last week).
The discussion with the anti went on, but I'll save that for another post.

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Mike Irwin
January 15, 2003, 11:18 PM
No. No that simply can't be right.

That's just too DAMNED SENSIBLE!

When will these big companies ever learn? HR & Company policies are there to intimidate and confuse the employees, not make something clear! :banghead:

Signed,

Catbert, Evil Director of Human Resources

:D

blades67
January 15, 2003, 11:20 PM
What Mike said.:D

4v50 Gary
January 15, 2003, 11:22 PM
When my brother was a power plant operator, he had all the time in the world for load development. Everybody had guns and played with them and if you didn't, they'd wonder what was wrong with you. :D

JohnKSa
January 15, 2003, 11:26 PM
I wish my company could be that sensible.

Even though there is an Official Employee's Gun Club (which is the largest employee's club by the way) it is still against company policy to have a gun in your car. We've asked them to change it to prohibit the "illegal possession of firearms" but they won't do it.

PATH
January 15, 2003, 11:28 PM
It sure is nice to read about a company doing something that makes sense. It really makes me feel a little better.:) ;)

Sisco
January 15, 2003, 11:34 PM
HR & Company policies are there to intimidate and confuse the employees, not make something clear!

Oh, don't get me wrong, there's still plenty of that going on!

They also provided the operations dept. with a pellet gun to aid in the control of pigeons. A good pigeon hunt helps to pass the time on those long weekend shifts!

Guy B. Meredith
January 16, 2003, 12:35 AM
Yeah, well somehow I can't see holding my breath waiting for my employer, Xerox, to do anything sensible. Gotta feed the stockholders.

Blackhawk
January 16, 2003, 12:39 AM
Great news, Sisco! :neener:

Now about that other post.... :D

Kahr carrier
January 16, 2003, 05:00 AM
Sounds like a cool company.:)

dinosaur
January 16, 2003, 05:11 AM
Sisco, can you clarify something? Does this mean you can CCW in the plant? That is, if your state has CCW of course.

My Pa. CCW says "Any Legal Firearm" just like your sign says. Just curious how far you can take it.

Bob Locke
January 16, 2003, 05:38 AM
I, too, work at a power plant. Big sign at the front door that says no concealed weapons, including knives. Now, all the employees have knives (the plant bought all of us Kershaw's this Christmas), but I don't CCW inside the facility.

Out in the parking lot, no problem. I asked and was told so. Just not inside the plant.

And I wish I worked at the places some of you guys describe! My weekend and night shifts generally consist of helping the maintenance guys get caught up, not "playing"!

Blackcloud6
January 16, 2003, 07:28 AM
Pinch me! Common sense from management? Nooo!

boing
January 16, 2003, 11:56 AM
I can't bring something along the lines of a sawed-off shotgun or a full auto into the site.

Well, at least not without a Form 4. :)

Jack19
January 16, 2003, 12:33 PM
Sisco, where do I send my resume? :D :D :D

spacemanspiff
January 16, 2003, 01:31 PM
hmmmm, wonder if i could edit our companys handbook, and ....umm never mind! :evil:

Sisco
January 16, 2003, 05:06 PM
dinosaur:
No CCW in Kansas. Not sure what their policy would be if it were allowed. Our superintendent had a CCW when he worked for a company back East though.

Bob Locke:
No maint. types around on nights and weekends, just us operators.

Now more about the anti co-worker.....
He's the one that brought the change in policy up in a labor management meeting, apparently didn't get the answer he wanted.
After he asked me the "legal" weapons question he went on, conversation went something like this:

He: What if the state decides to allow concealed weapons? Should you be allowed to carry at work?

Me: Damn right. But it they don't allow carry in the plant they better at least allow me to store my gun in my car.

He: So why would you need a gun? So if someone bumps into you at the stop light you can get out and shoot him?

No: I would go to jail for that. I hope I never "need" a gun, but if I'm called out to work at 2:00am and have to drive through the West part of town I want one with me. Truth be known, if that happens now, I do have one with me, concealed carry law or not. I just don't conceal it. Kansas allows open carry.

Conversation pretty much ended then, we were in my supervisors office and he realized he was outnumbered. Four out of six people in the office at the time (not counting him) were NRA members. :D

M1911
January 16, 2003, 06:16 PM
Saxon Pig, you are indeed devious:D

22x9
January 16, 2003, 09:51 PM
At our company's orientation, there was slide presented by the head of security that said:

No weapons are prohibited on company property.

He then went on to say that it is grounds from immediate dismissal if you are caught with a weapon.... and that company property included everything within the perimeter fence including the garages. Then he reiterated that we should take serious note of what was stated on the slide [now reading from the slide] "No weapons are prohibited on company property."and that there will be no exceptions.

I started thinking to myself, Hmmm.. if no weapons are prohibited, then all weapons are allowed. All right. Cool!! Time to go buy that Barrett and mount it on my cube walls.

OF
January 16, 2003, 09:56 PM
SaxonPig is my hero :) You monkeywrencher, you!

- Gabe

Bob Locke
January 16, 2003, 11:48 PM
Bob Locke:
No maint. types around on nights and weekends, just us operators.
We don't have any around, either. We operators just pick up the wrenches and get to it as we have time.

None of that just sitting around watching 'trons flow at this place.

But we do get the occasional chance to make a post or two to our favorite web pages... :neener:

Sisco
January 17, 2003, 06:41 AM
Ain't nothin' scarier than an operator with tools in his hand! You're non-union?

Dan Morris
January 17, 2003, 06:58 AM
LOL, mine also states No Illegal Firearms.......
Dan

Bob Locke
January 17, 2003, 08:55 AM
Ain't nothin' scarier than an operator with tools in his hand! You're non-union?
Yes, for now. There's a growing sentiment around the plant for it, though. We have 8 operators and 5 maintenance guys, and there are a couple of guys in each group who are sort of stirring the pot in that manner. I don't really see it happening though.

And I was in the Navy for 13 years, so we had to do ALL of it! Not a real problem, and we typically only do light maintenance (oil or filter changes, safety inspections, things of that nature) anyway. But a couple of our guys really get into it (one of them was formerly in the maintenance department), and the bosses let 'em do what they want/can. Not really my cup of tea, though. I was always a better operator for Uncle Sam than a maintenance guy.

I'm at a gas-fired facility. You?

Sisco
January 17, 2003, 10:00 AM
380mw Coal fired, 5 operators per crew/5 crews/12hr shifts.
Been at it 22 years, 18 in the control room. Company has a 90mw gas fired unit also. Unit 2, 600mw is on the drawing board.
Learned the trade as a common engine room snipe with the USN.

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