Going on a Hog Hunt Jan 31st - which rifle?


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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
January 13, 2009, 02:03 AM
Will be hunting from the ground:

1. Sporterized US 1917, .30-'06, 25" bbl, scoped (heavy), Rem Express 220 grain
2. Enfield "No. 6" Jungle carbine, .308 win, 20" bbl, with bayo in case they charge me, Federal Fusion 165 gr
3. Rem 1187 Sportsman's deer 12 ga slug rifle, with 602 grain Buckhammers
4. CZ 550 FS, 9.3x62mm, with Norma 270s
5. Marlin 1895, .45-70 with 405 gr Rem Express.
6. Savage 110, .270 Win

Guided hunt, so I don't really know what distances, but probably not too long of shots available in this county.

Which and why? I'm leaning toward #2 or #3; maybe #5.

You think sidearm necessary? Might pack my Taurus Judge with .45 Colts as backup. Only my 2nd time hog hunting, so don't really know if all the stories about them charging are overblown or not.

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blitzen
January 13, 2009, 03:21 AM
My vote,

Take all of them and shoot a pig with each one. For sure take a pistol. What better place to find out what it will do!:D Happy hunting!!

RoostRider
January 13, 2009, 03:40 AM
I don't know how large your hogs are around there, but a 12ga slug sounds a bit 'overpowered'.... I know some people will say there is no such thing, but, assuming you plan on eating the meat (does a guy eat wild boar?), there really is such a thing as overpowered...

.308 and 30-06 seem more than enough as well, but not as inclined to do as much damage to meat as the 12 ga. slug...

If the ranges are close, and shot placement is relatively easy, why not go with something a little less 'mangler'?

<EDIT- for the record, I don't hunt hog.... maybe they are a lot bigger and tougher than I am thinking?>

yenchisks
January 13, 2009, 03:45 AM
ya all go with blitzen ,duck tape them all together then run a string threw the triggers and pull;)

qajaq59
January 13, 2009, 07:03 AM
does a guy eat wild boar?), This guy certainly does.

And if it helps, I've dropped them with a 130 gr bullet out of the .308 and 165 gr bullets from the 30-30. Both did them in rather quickly. Just hit them behind the ear and they''ll drop like a sack of grain.

bobby n.
January 13, 2009, 07:10 AM
the 1187 is the gun of choice... no puny rifle is going to bring down a 400 pound porker charging at you at 40 miles per hour with slashing tusks that can flay the meat off your body with one jerk. you want something with punch, shock and knockem down dead killing power. a rs is the best and safest bet. a lot of
folks here will diagree with me on this, but since this from what igather your first hogslam, remember the old maxim, cya c ya

bobby n.
January 13, 2009, 07:11 AM
the 1187 is the gun of choice... no puny rifle is going to bring down a 400 pound porker charging at you at 40 miles per hour with slashing tusks that can flay the meat off your body with one jerk. you want something with punch, shock and knockem down dead killing power. a rs is the best and safest bet. a lot of
folks here will diagree with me on this, but since this from what igather your first hogslam, remember the old maxim, cya c ya

bobby n.
January 13, 2009, 07:12 AM
:)the 1187 is the gun of choice... no puny rifle is going to bring down a 400 pound porker charging at you at 40 miles per hour with slashing tusks that can flay the meat off your body with one jerk. you want something with punch, shock and knockem down dead killing power. a rs is the best and safest bet. a lot of
folks here will diagree with me on this, but since this from what igather your first hogslam, remember the old maxim, cya c ya

bobby n.
January 13, 2009, 07:14 AM
the 1187 is the gun of choice... no puny rifle is going to bring down a 400 pound porker charging at you at 40 miles per hour with slashing tusks that can flay the meat off your body with one jerk. you want something with punch, shock and knockem down dead killing power. a rs is the best and safest bet. a lot of
folks here will disagree with me on this, but since this from what igather your first hogslam, remember the old maxim, cya c ya

bobby n.
January 13, 2009, 07:16 AM
dAnged puter

huntershooter
January 13, 2009, 07:49 AM
Hard to beat the '95 Marlin in .45/70.
You don't say where you'll be hunting, but safe bet is there'll be plenty of brush/undergrowth. A rifle that is quick to shoulder (Marlin) is an advantage. Shots will be fast.

3pairs12
January 13, 2009, 09:22 AM
I would go with the 1187 or the 1895

SwearNoAllegiance
January 13, 2009, 09:39 AM
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

Love the name!

And Blitzen is absolutely right. Kick some hog ass.

John828
January 13, 2009, 09:44 AM
Most pigs are going to run the other way. Due to the fact that the majority have not hunted feral hogs, their reputation for ferocity is growing beyond belief. Yes, they can be tough to put down. Yes, they are badasses if you are knifing or karate chopping them. Yes, a 223 will put them down. No, there is no such thing as too much gun.

All that said, I do like blitzen's idea off taking all and using all, but, yenchisks' idea beats them all. How creative? Duct tape them all together and run a string through the triggerguards.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
January 13, 2009, 10:20 AM
duck tape them all together then run a string threw the triggers and pull

Ha, ha, guys...nice; thanks. Maybe I can get a whole herd at once. I'm gonna take the Enfield .308 JC to the range this weekend, and if it groups under 2" @ 50 yards with the fusions, then I'm gonna run with that one; never shot this gun before. This guided hunt costs $190 for one day and one night's lodging, and supposedly success rate is around 80% with gun, and 40% with bow. I'm using gun. There's no hogs where I normally hunt.

bobby n, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not; I think you are.

John828
January 13, 2009, 10:29 AM
Yeah, I only read his post once, but after re-reading them four times, I think he is saying what I was saying but with a little panache.

Use the .308, I would. I am taking a .243 out for a hog hunt in February. $190 (with lodging) is pretty fair unless you have your own land that has hogs on it. The place I am going is pretty much a guaranteed hunt, and it is $200 a day with no lodging. It's cheaper with groups over five, so I may try to get a group together. I am trying to get some cousins into shooting, so maybe that will be the ticket after a few range trips.

~z
January 13, 2009, 12:53 PM
If you are going on a guided hunt, check with your guide, I'm sure the guide has a better idea of the terrain and circumstances than any of us do. Looks like you are expecting some BIG HOGS
~z

Titan6
January 13, 2009, 02:58 PM
I'll only say it once but the 11/87 is what I would take for mostly under a 100 yard shooting with a strong second choice being the Marlin especially if most shots are 75-150 yards. If you are shooting out there a ways 150 yards+ from say a stand the CZ would be best IMO.

HB
January 13, 2009, 04:56 PM
the 1187 is the gun of choice... no puny rifle is going to bring down a 400 pound porker charging at you at 40 miles per hour with slashing tusks that can flay the meat off your body with one jerk. you want something with punch, shock and knockem down dead killing power. a rs is the best and safest bet. a lot of

:confused:

I'd bring the .45/70 and the CZ 550 FS in 9.3x62mm, just because they are cool guns. Just bring whatever you shoot the best and are confident in. I have never hunted hogs before but I have a hard time believing they attack people like crazy...... I don't recall anybody being killed by one, though I do live in central missouri.

HB

orchidhunter
January 13, 2009, 05:26 PM
Here in Alabama we use Sharp Sticks and dogs to hunt wild Hogs. When the dogs do there part, the sharp stick does it's. We use a old family line of Blackmouth Cur dogs known as the Howard Line. The Texas, Florida guides, might try to talk you out of trying the Sharp Stick if it is your first hunt. Good hunting, orchidhunter

Asherdan
January 13, 2009, 05:55 PM
So I look at your list of calibers and see...

.270
.308
30-06
9.3x62
45-70
12g

...and think to myself that every one of 'em is just fine for making pork, within the range limitations you can accurately hit with 'em. Someone upthread said talk to the guide and find out what the hunt area is like. That's what I'd do, with caliber not a limiting factor I'd fit the rifle to the type of hunting and the possible ranges you'll be looking at.

Personally, I'd take the 1895 and go hunt. The 22" barrel is still handy in brush, you can hit 5x as quick as you can aim and cycle the lever and that 405 rem, even moving slow, is going to take a lot of bone and pork to convince it to stop. If shots go out past 150 yards, I would start looking at a flatter shooter to simplify things.

rino451
January 13, 2009, 06:47 PM
I've used an AR and a Yugo M48 mauser (8mm) and the most fun was walking them down with the mauser.

My vote is for the Enfield first (would be better if it were .303!), 45-70, then to be practical the .270. I like seeing the old guns being used.

K3
January 13, 2009, 06:50 PM
I'd bring the 1187 and the .45-70.

If you find yourself at 100 yards, you could use the buffalo rounds with confidence. Closer, use either, but I'd love to see the effect of a slug at 50 yards.

41 Mag
January 13, 2009, 08:42 PM
I would give the outfit a ring as well. Even so I would probably haul the .308 and simply use some Remington 150gr CL's. Might get flamed for it but if you check my photo's you will see many that fell to the same mentioned above, and several pushing 400# or more at ranges out to 350 yds. The rifle was a Ruger Compact with only a 16.5" barrel to boot.

That 150gr CL has never left me wanting for more and we shoot them just about on a weekly basis. heck there is even a clip of my grandson's first hog he got two years ago just before turning 5 using the same rifle and reduced 125gr BT loads.

They will get nasty if hurt and cornered, however like mentioned they would much rather go away form the firing faster than towards it. I have had them do the opposite though and it wasn't fun but I came through luckily with no stitches.

Good luck on your hunt, take one of the lighter less kicking rifles and enjoy your weekend.

kmrcstintn
January 13, 2009, 09:01 PM
they will all perform as long as your shot placement is good; if put in the same situation, I would opt for the .308 with a heavy solid built bullet or the 12 ga slugger with heavy alloyed leadhead; as far as your sidearm choice...I recommend Remington 225gr lead semiwadcutters (flat front end with a full powder charge behind it ~~not an anemic reduced cowboy load or insanely hot hunting load that is meant for Ruger or Freedom Arms revolvers); if you want to run a slightly heavier bullet, then get Winchester 255gr round nose flat point (again...not a cowboy load)

magnumman44
January 13, 2009, 10:04 PM
I have only hunted them once on the Junco near Freer Texas, but I would take a side arm. As far as killing, I was succesful with a 140 gr Remington CL from a 7mm-08, a 300 gr hard cast semiwadcutter from my S&W 629 44 mag, and finally a 120 gr nosler ballistic tip in 7mm TCU from my 14" Contender...Take hat you shoot well and have a blast. Behind the ear is best. They will fight back when cornered or injured.

drgrenthum
January 13, 2009, 10:04 PM
got to go with the enfield, 308 is plenty of gun

saskboy
January 13, 2009, 10:06 PM
I would take the .308 with the bayonette, all else fails you can throw it like a javelin and run! :what: I am so jelous of anyone going hog hunting, no wild hogs where im from, just tame ones that got loose and are sort of wild.

Flyboy
January 14, 2009, 12:47 AM
I bought my 1895G for the specific purpose of hunting hogs.

If you somehow feel undergunned with common .45-70 loads, there's always Buffalo Bore. Kills at one end, maims at the other.

magnumman44
January 21, 2009, 10:33 PM
How was your hunt? Update us!!

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
January 22, 2009, 02:21 PM
Hee hee, hunt is Sun, Feb 2nd. This Sun (Jan 25), I'm going to go sight in two of these rifles -one plus one backup (still undecided which). Well the Rem 1187 is already sighted for the buckhammers, but the others need sighting/testing. If I get a hog, I'll take pics, though. :)

P.S. It's been a drought here almost 4 months, so should be easy to find them - just get near the little remaining water. Best time of the year to hunt them - good cold weather and can see a long ways in the woods, too. :)

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 1, 2009, 02:01 PM
The Good
Killed two pigs with one shot about 5:30 pm yesterday, 86 yards or so, both DRT. I was one of only two guys (out of our party of 6) to get a "pig", with the other guy getting an 85 pounder. Also got to watch 5 does mill around for about an hour both before and after dark - could still see them with the binos and the moonlight, and watched a covey of 8 quail walk by.

The Bad
Ahem...due to my lack of perspective without any larger hogs standing nearby, my elevated position from the stand, the distance involved, and the magnification of my scope making them look much bigger than they were, the two I killed were little piglets, one 8 lbs and one 10 lbs (*before* gutting). I thought they were small juveniles, maybe 40 lbs or so looking at them through the scope, but no, no, not at all that "big"......

The Ugly
A rash of spit has been heaped upon me continually since last night by everyone in the hunting party, *and even* the guide/owner of the ranch (and will undoubtedly continue to be heaped upon my by my hunting buddies from that group for as long as I shall live), the likes of which you have never seen...

"I was about to get onto you, asking you 'what the hell are you doing killing rabbits?', until I saw they were little footballs you shot."

"Dontcha know you're supposed to run out and catch the piglets, not shoot them?"

"Hell, the guts out of Derek's pig weigh more than your two pigs put together."

"How'd you see over the top of the cow patties they were behind in order to shoot them?"

"You sure you got a freezer big enough to hold them?"

"Did you know that when you [pleasure yourself], you're also killing babies then, too?"

"You could do a full body mount and put both of them on top of your 13" TV!"

"What'd you bring that big rifle for? Next time just bring a pellet gun; that oughtta do the trick."

"That's must be one hell of a scope, to make them look that big to you - do you also give that scope to your girlfriend to look through when you're about to jump into bed, to make yourself look more impressive?"

"Hell, you might be able to get enough meat between the two of them to make yourself a ham sandwich. That with a pickle & chips would make a meal."

and et cetera, and et cetera.

:(
:rolleyes:
:eek:
:hangsheadinshamebutwillbeeatingsomegoodtenderbarbeque:
:D

P.S. Rifle used was the sporterized swede mauser in 6.5x55 I had used for deer season; never got to the range to verify zero on one of the others.....

P.P.S. I didn't take any pics, but my buddies sure as heck did - they made me pose several times, laughing their fool heads off - I'm flipping the bird in the pics of course. "Be sure to hold both of them way from your body in the pic to make them look bigger - but go ahead and hold them both out with one hand." :)

Now my girlfriend is using the pet name "[...], Baby (killer)" in her texts.

SwearNoAllegiance
February 1, 2009, 03:21 PM
Dr. Winslow that was hilarious. Tell your buddies to come here and post the pics!

retrieverman
February 1, 2009, 09:44 PM
Even the unsafe and unethical Europeans are better hunter than to shoot piglets.:rolleyes::neener:

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 2, 2009, 12:21 AM
Hey there's a difference between being a ghastly wounding machine run amok, and being a clean-kill baby killer. The latter is infinitely preferable.

retrieverman
February 2, 2009, 09:16 AM
Hey there's a difference between being a ghastly wounding machine run amok, and being a clean-kill baby killer. The latter is infinitely preferable.

Kind of depends on your perspective.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 2, 2009, 09:54 AM
It sure does; specifically, whether your perspective involves using common sense, or not using common sense.

John828
February 2, 2009, 11:15 AM
So now Winnie the Pooh has lost his friend? My niece will be devastated.

Regen
February 2, 2009, 11:45 AM
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, you should change your name to Whopper, Jr.

saskboy
February 2, 2009, 12:39 PM
Ah who cares if you shot piglets, you prob still had a blast going pig hunting!

deerhunter61
February 2, 2009, 12:47 PM
Doc,

I would take the 270 perhaps the 308....

I have taken 3 hogs this past year and two were shot with my 6.5X55. They were fairly large...one pushed two hundred pounds and the other was around 120-130. They both dropped in their tracks. Both shots were about 125 yards. I shot another one with my 22-250. It also dropped in its tracks but then it was a little smaller. It was about 140-150 yards.

Hope this info helps...

P.S. I would take the pistol not that I have ever had one charge because I have not but because I choose not to take any chances.

deerhunter61
February 2, 2009, 01:09 PM
Oops...got to it a little late...I see now that you have already gotten your bigguns.:D

Well this past weekend my wife and I fixed two of the HOGS I shot this past year. Man they tasted GREAT!!!! We were even able to get my youngest daughter to try one of the chops and she ended up eating two!

Soaked them in Italian dressing over night...wrapped them in bacon...along with a little jalapena! Man they did taste great!

Make sure you cooked them well but do not overcook them!

Oh...and unless you are going to be hunting 200lbs+ hogs a 22-250 will do just fine out to a little over 100 yards assuming you can make a good shot to that distance. Most of the time when the folks I know miss it is because they hurry the shot and are not using a good rest. They also really do not care about missing or injuring a hog because where I live they are considered pests!

~z
February 2, 2009, 03:04 PM
Donít let anyone give you any sass over shooting the little ones. Some of us would much rather have this:92127


Over this:92128

Big ones look good in pictures, little ones ARE good on the plate
~z

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 2, 2009, 04:38 PM
Thanks ~z (and others), the ones in your top pic there is about the size I THOUGHT they were, maybe 25-40 lbs, but they were much smaller than that - lol, how old are the 10 pounders - like 3 weeks or what? Regardless, that's a hilarious pic - you look happy. Oh, that little black one is a football like the ones I shot, I see. :)

John828
February 2, 2009, 05:13 PM
~z, that's some very funky eyewear you got there. I was supposing that you felt that pig hunting was like shooting fish in a barrel, so you were leveling the playing field by blinding yourself.

Bear2000
February 2, 2009, 07:23 PM
I used a .308 w/150 grain Sierra ProHunter last summer on 180 lber - did the job easily. Next time I will take my 6.5mm Swede. A 13-year old I went with killed his (blew it's head apart) with a 62 gr FMJ out of an AR-15. And tons of guys hunt hogs with 22 magnums.

In other words, you'll put it down if you hit it right with any of those guns you mentioned.

TehK1w1
February 3, 2009, 11:22 PM
Looks like the 45-70 would have been a little overkill :p

It's ok, everybody messes up sometimes. Besides, their momma will probably crank out 5-7 more litters this year anyway :scrutiny:

41 Mag
February 6, 2009, 03:44 PM
Hey Doc,

We appreciate the effort made in taking two in one shot over just one at a time. Now then when you go back you can practice that same trick on the bigger ones, it works on them as well.

It's always better to start small and work up than to start at the big and have no where else to go but smaller.

I bet you had a blast anyway right?

ds92
February 6, 2009, 04:22 PM
i vote number three, but thats just because i love shotguns:D

~z
February 6, 2009, 04:33 PM
John, You got it, they are so thick around here I just get blindfolded and start shootin!
~z

John828
February 6, 2009, 04:39 PM
Must be nice. :rolleyes:

~z
February 6, 2009, 04:45 PM
Actually it is. I have been averaging 1 every third day so far in 2009. We are making sausage this weekend and between deer and pig I have a bit over 650# of boneless meat to contribuite to the grind. By this time tomorrow, I'll be bloody, tired, and in no condition to drive.
~z

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 6, 2009, 08:16 PM
dayung, man, who's gonna eat all that meat? You should start a BBQ joint - no food costs!

Yeah, it was a good time, regardless, and yeah the 12 ga slug gun would have been overkill just a tad.

accordingtoome
February 11, 2009, 02:09 AM
One of the best threads I have read on any forum

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