Maximum Legal Caliber without Class III ?


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Loyalist Dave
January 13, 2009, 09:28 AM
Sorry if this has already been discussed on another thread...,

I thought that civilian sales to an individual without a class III license, for modern firearms using smokeless ammunition, was .50 caliber, no? So even if one was made in the United States, one would need a class III license purchase one of these (and perhaps a Cooper Mini to transport it?)

http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html

LD

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subknave
January 13, 2009, 09:33 AM
As far as I know there is no caliber limit for becoming Class III as far as Federal regulations go.

General Geoff
January 13, 2009, 11:47 AM
no license required, just an NFA tax stamp on any items that are over .50 caliber, rifled, and considered "non sporting" by the ATF. They are deemed destructive devices.


The .600 and .700 Nitro Express cartridges are considered sporting, since they were designed for dangerous game hunting in Africa, and used mostly in double rifles.

MAKster
January 13, 2009, 12:48 PM
The manufacturers can get a sporting purpose exemption for caibers over 50.

rcmodel
January 13, 2009, 12:56 PM
Consider the fully rifled sabot-slug barrel for a 12 ga deer shotgun.

Well over .50 cal., and they sell a gazillion of them.

rc

rabidgoldfish
January 13, 2009, 04:06 PM
It's been said already but:

Basically anything over 1/2 inch in bore diameter is a destructive device unless the ATF grants it a sporting exemption.

Loyalist Dave
January 14, 2009, 12:14 PM
Thanks for that last answer. That is what I thought. The issue wasn't the ammuntion, it was what fired the ammunition, as was pointed out the shotgun is larger than .50 caliber. I simply remembered that all else being equal, if it was larger than .50 it is illegal for all but class III holders. A sporting exemption is something else entirely I think. Thank's again.

LD

barnetmill
January 14, 2009, 04:20 PM
I thought rifling had something to do with the definition and use of fixed ammunition.
Also, You can own any muzzle loading cannon without a permit.

I believe the exemptions are for the elephant guns (.577-.700 caliber guns). There must also be an exemption for the rifled shotgun barrels.

Eightball
January 14, 2009, 10:07 PM
The manufacturers can get a sporting purpose exemption for caibers over 50.I thought the .577 "and up" rifles were exempted primarily due to the age of the round/antique status?

What is defined by a "sporting purpose" here, and could it potentially be used to our advantage?

sb_pete
January 15, 2009, 04:38 PM
As an example of the silliness of the "sporting purpose" exemption, the 14.5x114mm Russian round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14.5x114mm)is NFA, while the 14.5mm JDJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14.5_mm_JDJ) (a necked up .50BMG which fires the same projectile) has a sporting purposes exemption :shrug:

novaDAK
January 15, 2009, 05:02 PM
well, now with Heller saying that the 2nd amendment is an individual right and not that 'militia' crap argument, when can we see this "sporting purposes" BS go away?

Vegaslaith
January 15, 2009, 11:50 PM
well, now with Heller saying that the 2nd amendment is an individual right and not that 'militia' crap argument, when can we see this "sporting purposes" BS go away?

When this country elects a President who appoints Justices capable of actually reading plain English.

m4joey94
February 19, 2009, 04:43 PM
well, now with Heller saying that the 2nd amendment is an individual right and not that 'militia' crap argument, when can we see this "sporting purposes" BS go away?
When this country elects a President who appoints Justices capable of actually reading plain English.

when will this happen???
my guess is at least 10yrs... if we're lucky...

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