What would the legal status of this weapon be?


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Hoplophile
January 15, 2009, 01:05 AM
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg156-e.htm

It is actually a perfectly silent pistol. No suppressor required.

http://world.guns.ru/ammo/a_sp-3-1.jpg This is what it fires. You can see how it works, how the piston violently jumps forward in the case and strikes the actual bullet itself. The Russians thought waaaay outside the box. Admit it, this is a pretty cool design.

NFA? If so, what category? Suppressor? And what would be registered as the suppressor, the ammunition? 200 dollars per cartridge? It's not a suppressor, would it have to be registered? Would it be an AOW?

someone import them now plz

thanks

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Bezoar
January 15, 2009, 01:15 AM
at worst it would be a AOW or maybe a NFA weapon. would most likely depend on rifling in the barrel to meet "pistol barrel" requirements and not be a shot barrel shotgun.

PTK
January 15, 2009, 01:17 AM
The gun is legal as a pistol, however each cartridge is a silencer requiring a $200 tax stamp.

Gunnerpalace
January 15, 2009, 01:39 AM
And because it is made in Russia not the US you cannot import (and probably never export from there). No NFA imports. If memory serves me the owner of that site is a member here and has knowledge of the local weapons.

heron
January 15, 2009, 11:28 AM
Pretty slick indeed! No noise, no powder burns or residue -- just a bullet hole.

Titan6
January 15, 2009, 11:31 AM
If I find one for sale it's legal status will be "owned by Titan6", those things are cool.

Sniper X
January 15, 2009, 11:34 AM
I am thinking logically and going to go with what PTK said!

Titan6
January 15, 2009, 11:36 AM
I wonder if you cold fit one of those rounds into an AK.......

rabidgoldfish
January 15, 2009, 11:43 AM
18 U.S.C. sec. 921(a)(24) "The term 'firearm silencer' or
'firearm muffler' means any device for silencing, muffling, or
diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any
combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for
use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm
muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or
fabrication."


I don't think it counts as a silencer but the case could be made either way.

TexasRifleman
January 15, 2009, 11:44 AM
The gun is legal as a pistol, however each cartridge is a silencer requiring a $200 tax stamp.

That would be my take on it too, that the ammo itself is the NFA item since it acts as a suppressor.

any device for silencing, muffling, or
diminishing the report of a portable firearm

I'd think ammo would be a "device".


ETA: And my tagline, "Gun laws are stupid"

CoRoMo
January 15, 2009, 12:11 PM
I'd love to have one of those.

General Geoff
January 15, 2009, 12:16 PM
According to the law, it says a silencer is anything that "silences, muffles, or diminishes the report" of a firearm. The cartridge is NOT diminishing the report, it is in fact generating a very quiet report. So no, I don't think it'd be considered a silencer.

TexasRifleman
January 15, 2009, 12:32 PM
The cartridge is NOT diminishing the report, it is in fact generating a very quiet report. So no, I don't think it'd be considered a silencer.

Logic would agree with that, but this is ATF we're talking about here :)

Remember "a shoestring is a machinegun"?

General Geoff
January 15, 2009, 01:11 PM
Perhaps, but the ATF doesn't classify super colibri .22lr rounds as silencers, despite them being exceptionally quiet. So I'd think these would be just mundane ammo as well.

TexasRifleman
January 15, 2009, 01:29 PM
True, very good point GG.

It's an interesting little thing for sure.

moooose102
January 15, 2009, 01:42 PM
i dont know about the legal status, but INEEDAWANAGOTTAHAVEONE!

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