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Prion
January 15, 2009, 08:54 AM
At the range yesterday I saw two vehicles with gun manufacturer stickers on their cars. I have never thought this was a good idea. A potential thief could case you and your home in hopes of securing himself some firearms. Might sound paranoid but I also make sure no one follows me home after a day at the range and give vague descriptions as to my place of residence. Firearm related license plates also fall into this category. I imagine some people probably think this would alert criminals they are armed and scare them away. I think it would attract them. I prefer no stickers at all on my car except my American flag. I also don't wear any clothing or hats advertising I'm a gun owner. Particularly now with the economy tanking I think it wise to be prudent. Basically it's a need to know basis. Paranoid? Thoughts?

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Mannlicher
January 15, 2009, 09:00 AM
taking care is one thing, but letting paranoia rule your life is another.........

Prion
January 15, 2009, 09:19 AM
Paranoia certainly doesn't rule my life. I just trying to be prudent. Plus, who really cares to read other peoples self advertisements in the form of stickers on a car? Off topic but do I give a crap your kid is an honor student at the Dipstick School for the Monkeys ot that you own a Ruger?

MMCSRET
January 15, 2009, 09:23 AM
It is a fact: even paranoids can have enemies!!!!!!

rioalumni05
January 15, 2009, 09:31 AM
it may be a little paranoid watching to see if people are following you home from the range... i personally have an nra sticker on my car, but that is all

Grassman
January 15, 2009, 09:42 AM
How stupid of a criminal do you gotta be.......yeah, I'm gonna follow that gun toting conservative home. I doubt it, they are busy stalking little old ladies at Wal-mart. You forget criminals are basically cowards.

TexasRifleman
January 15, 2009, 09:45 AM
Basically it's a need to know basis. Paranoid? Thoughts?

I would not call it paranoid. In fact I know of one shooter who WAS followed home by some unsavory types from a range here locally.

He spotted them and called the police. Nothing came of the incident, but when it's already happened to someone else it is hard to call it paranoia.

Bartkowski
January 15, 2009, 09:58 AM
Wait......wait, you mean that you actually drive a car to your house? You know criminals will see your car and then since they know you have it will try to steal it and possibly harm you.

scottgun
January 15, 2009, 10:05 AM
I don't have any stickers on my cars or wear clothing with logos on it. Maybe more of personal taste than paranoia.

TexasRifleman
January 15, 2009, 10:15 AM
ou know criminals will see your car and then since they know you have it will try to steal it

All the crime reports on stolen guns used in crimes seem to indicate that the gun theft victims were not randomly targeted.

So precaution in advertising the fact that you have guns would make sense. It's hardly paranoia.

Treo
January 15, 2009, 10:16 AM
I seem to remember there being a couple of thefts that involved following a shooter home from the range ang jacking him in his driveway. At least one THR member has been murdered at the range (presumably for his guns) so I'm not quite prepared to call it paranoia.

If this thread goes much further it's going to split pretty much right down the middle between the secret squirrels & the advertisers & one both sides are gonna say the other's just a little nuts

guess how I know

Bubba613
January 15, 2009, 10:36 AM
All the crime reports on stolen guns used in crimes seem to indicate that the gun theft victims were not randomly targeted.
Ive known any number of people who have had their guns stolen. I imagine a certain number end up in crimes.
So I find it hard to believe that all gun theft victims were not randomly targeted.

Lightninstrike
January 15, 2009, 10:40 AM
Ya know, I have never thought twice about it. If someone wants to steal a gun, my house with an alarm system and well-armed person behind it is not a good place to start.

George757
January 15, 2009, 10:43 AM
If a criminal is cruising a large parking lot, thinking about a quick smash & grab, or checking for unlocked vehicles, which vehicle is more likely to yield some "fence-able" goods from the console; the one with the Glock/NRA stickers, or the one with the Honor Roll sticker? Why call attention to your vehicle as one that "might" contain a firearm. For that reason, I forego stickers. I also don't wear "I am a Gun Nut" shirts / hats (although I am). I don't want the extra scrutiny when there's a firearm present (all the time).

texas bulldog
January 15, 2009, 11:04 AM
i've said this here before, but i'll do it again...

i wear an NRA hat probably 3 to 4 times a week. i've had an NRA sticker on a past vehicle and have a TSRA magnet on my current truck. i'll probably add one of those pewter NRA hitch covers one of these days. i live in a relatively low-crime city, but there are no guarantees.

i've been fine with this setup for quite a few years now. i don't fault the folks who keep gun ownership ultra-secret, but it's just not for me. yes, i may be exposed to some increased risk, but i'm more interested in living my life the way i want than minimizing all risks at all times no matter how small.

that's just for me, and everyone else is free to live their life the way they see fit.

god bless.

Titan6
January 15, 2009, 11:09 AM
I would worry more about them trying to break into my car when I was not around hoping to find a gun then an assault.

expvideo
January 15, 2009, 11:12 AM
I used to have a bumper sticker that said "Fight Crime - Shoot Back"

It raised the eyebrows of most cops I met.

I don't advertise anymore. I think non-campaign bumper stickers are tacky. Just personal prefference I guess.

zombienerd
January 15, 2009, 11:28 AM
Well, I didn't do this with firearms, but I used to have a really really nice sound system in my car. You couldn't see it, it was in the trunk, and my head unit was a Hider.

I was an idiot, however, by having Rockford Fosgate stickers plastered to my windows.

That sound system was stolen in February 2003... Window broken, everything just "ripped out"

I no longer advertise.

Sniper X
January 15, 2009, 11:35 AM
I think you are giving criminal mentality, way too much credit.

TexasRifleman
January 15, 2009, 11:39 AM
So I find it hard to believe that all gun theft victims were not randomly targeted.

Argue that with the FBI not me, they are the ones that put it in their report. I will see if I can find it again, it's been posted here quite a few times.

Basically 90% (cant remember the exact number) or so of the criminals they interviewed said they obtained stolen guns to use in crimes and when they were "shopping" for guns they broke into places they felt most likely to contain guns. Businesses and homes.

ArmedBear
January 15, 2009, 11:43 AM
taking care is one thing, but letting paranoia rule your life is another.........


Except that putting a manufacturer's logo on your car is one of the most incredibly lame things in the world, so choosing not to do so actually adds to your quality of life...

I'll put a manufacturer's logo on my car when one of two things happens:

1. It's my company.
2. I'm paid by the company.

When I was younger and influenced by the stupid desire to feel cool by associating myself with someone's trademark, I was guilty, too. But man, it was stupid.

TangSafetyM77
January 15, 2009, 11:45 AM
I do not advertise as a rule since I got popped. I do not have any stickers on my vehicle, but I did have a small Glock sticker on a roof-top "pod" type carrier I had mounted on my roof rack (the kind you use for skis and such). I was moving at the time and happened to have a lot of my guns in the truck. The cop got to the scene and said that the reason my truck was targeted of all the vehicles in the busy Luby's parking lot was because of that subtle little sticker. I lost 9 guns that day and now my vehicles are the most bland and boring things on the road. I want to blend in and I have no need to express myself via my vehicle anymore.

JImbothefiveth
January 15, 2009, 11:55 AM
Basically it's a need to know basis. Paranoid? Thoughts?
When the NRA cautions against putting NRA bumper stickers on your car for this reason, I think it's a legitimate concern.

How stupid of a criminal do you gotta be.......yeah, I'm gonna follow that gun toting conservative home
They're probably most likely to steal them when they think you're not home.

K3
January 15, 2009, 11:59 AM
Ya know, I have never thought twice about it. If someone wants to steal a gun, my house with an alarm system and well-armed person behind it is not a good place to start.

If they're smart enough to follow your home and figure out where you live, it's probable that they are smart enough to case you to the point they know when your house is empty.

CoRoMo
January 15, 2009, 12:01 PM
I like seeing them.

Personally, I really get tired of seeing all the Obama '08 stickers along with the tree-huggers' stickers, anti-Bush stickers, blah blah blah.

When I see a Browning deer, NRA seal, Ruger's eagle, or any other run oriented logos, it helps remind me that I'm not entirely surrounded by people that are on the other side of the line as me.

I see those type stickers as validation that I'm not alone, but I don't have any on my vehicles. I just don't like any stickers at all on my vehicles. Maybe I should add a few on there for that reason, but like Tang, I like to blend in.

AllAmerican
January 15, 2009, 12:06 PM
The sticker on the back of my van says:
"Guns Save Lives. Over 2.5 million defensive uses per year"

expvideo
January 15, 2009, 12:07 PM
I think you are giving criminal mentality, way too much credit.
I think you are giving that sentence way too much comma. :P

Treo
January 15, 2009, 12:08 PM
The older I get the more I want to be left alone. Last week I walked into a barbershop and had some guy I’ve never met try to get into my world because I was wearing a Nebraska hoodie. I’ve had similar incidents because I was wearing a CSU hoodie and I had one guy try to start a fight W/ me for wearing a Dallas hoodie. Guess what I don’t wear anymore. My wife now has a CHP because some psycho leftist chased her all the way down Nevada Avenue (local main drag) screaming at her because she had a “W” bumper sticker on the car. And I’ve even had some random guy start talking smack to me because I had a Cabella’s sticker on the back of my car. And I got some real funny looks the day I wore my NRA hat to church. The way I see it having those stickers and the clothing (although I do wear my NRA hat if I’m doing something shooting related IE gunshow or the range) is just inviting random people to comment on your life. Or express their displeasure at the views you express or smash the windows on your car and steal what ever you have in it

When I go out I’m secret squirrel. No logos (I do wear my Cabella’s hat but that’s it) no stickers, no decals of any kind on my clothes the number of random strangers that choose to comment has dropped to zero

ArmedBear
January 15, 2009, 12:09 PM
When I see a Browning deer, NRA seal, Ruger's eagle, or any other run oriented logos, it helps remind me that I'm not entirely surrounded by people that are on the other side of the line as me.


I kinda feel the same way, until I remember that the difference between Obamaniacs and the rest of us is that they have little sense of personal identity and feel the need to express themselves through bumper stickers.

I actually can see putting stickers on my car from an organization I belong to, or something funny, or similar. Like, the other day, I saw a bumper sticker that said, "Jesus is coming. Stash your porn!" Someone spent a couple of bucks to cheer me up on the road. I like that.

It's just that I can't see paying my money to provide advertising for some business, because I think it makes me cool.:)

Grew up in California. Had enough of that kind of ****.

FoMoGo
January 15, 2009, 12:13 PM
I have NRA license plates.
I have a S&W air freshener on the rear view mirror.
I have a VCDL bumper sticker.
I have a safe mounted in the vehicle.
If I dont have my pistol locked in the vehicle, I have the doors unlocked.
I live around 20 miles from the range I shoot at, I WILL know if I am being followed.
I am not paranoid, I learned at a young age to spot a tail... my father was routinely tailed anytime an important figure... such as a president... was going to be within 200-250 miles of where we lived.
I dont go to the range alone, it is either my wife and me or the whole family... not from paranoia, I just like shooting with others.
I open carry, thats more of an advertisement that I own guns than a sticker or a ball cap.
No issues.


Jim

ArmedBear
January 15, 2009, 12:19 PM
Also, I think it makes a difference where you are.

A Beretta ball cap in Idaho might suggest that the wearer has a gun on him somewhere. In California, it might suggest that there's a $2000 shotgun in the car, waiting to be stolen.

In one case, a thief would be reluctant. In the other, he'd be eager.

General Geoff
January 15, 2009, 12:28 PM
I have a "Live Free or Die" decal on the back window of my Jeep, with the silhouette of an AR-15 underneath the phrase. Advertising that I'm a gun owner? Perhaps vaguely. But it's an all-encompassing philosophy upon which this country was founded, and too many people have forgotten.

ArmedBear
January 15, 2009, 12:32 PM
I have a Gadsden flag on my bumper. I worked for a state office that changed to mirror-hanger parking permits, and I couldn't get the old sticker off easily. They threatened to ticket people who didn't remove them, so I covered the sticker with the Gadsden. Then I quit the job and left the state.

If someone knows what it means, more power to 'em. I'm not afraid of that, because they're my kind of people, not thieves.

Old Dog
January 15, 2009, 12:35 PM
In the course of my job, having interviewed any number of actual convicted criminals on the subject of stealing firearms ... I will say this: if you feel compelled to advertise via labels on your motor vehicle, t-shirts or hats that you are a gun-owner, feel free -- but please, don't presume that, in all cases:
You forget criminals are basically cowards.
I think you are giving criminal mentality, way too much credit.
Believing this tripe will ensure that you go through your daily routine in Condition White.

Not all criminals are "basically cowards," nor are all criminals basically stupid. Many successful criminals are, however, lazy -- so they'd rather try something that's more of a sure thing once than continually repeat efforts that may prove fruitless.

If one wants to steal a gun, it makes more sense to look somewhere that there's a reasonable indication guns are present; additionally, I've known more than a few criminals, who, if they'd put their creativity and cunning to work in a productive, legal fashion, would probably be quite successful (not Bill Gates level, but doing well) in the wealth department.

shotgunjoel
January 15, 2009, 01:08 PM
CoRoMo, I agree with you. I have my keys on a Ruger lanyard every day. If I ever wear a hat it's one with a Browning Buckmark on it. I'd really like to get a Benelli red square sticker for my window, but I can't find one the way I'd want it. My truck is old, the doors are almost always unlocked because I don't have anything worth taking. I only have a gun in my truck if I'm in it, that's when I'm going shooting or hunting. I totally agree with you guys about not advertising your gun ownership, but what's going to happen when people forget that there are gun owners all around them? They are going to be more willing to vote for gun control.

jimmyraythomason
January 15, 2009, 01:10 PM
It always pays to be careful. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"...Poor Richard.

moooose102
January 15, 2009, 01:20 PM
i have a few stickers on my vehicle. a "michigan upper peninsula- gods country" front license plate, and a McCain / Palin decal on the back window, an "AMA, I VOTE" (American Motorcyclist Associasion), several fake bullet holes (to cover up scratches from the kids bikes, etc.) and 2 american flags. so does that make me a target?

expvideo
January 15, 2009, 01:25 PM
When I see a Browning deer, NRA seal, Ruger's eagle, or any other run oriented logos, it helps remind me that I'm not entirely surrounded by people that are on the other side of the line as me.
OK, this statement just completely changed my mind about this whole subject. Let me explain.

I live in Western Washington, where it is pretty much all Obama country, and a shotgun in a gun rack would probably prompt someone to call the police.

You are absolutely right. Whenever I see a republican or libertarian sticker on a window, and especially whenever I see a gun related sticker, I feel great knowing that I'm not alone. The gun rights situation feels hopeless out here at times, so these stickers are a glimmer of hope.

I think I'll go out and find a nice subtle gun sticker. Something like "got Sig?" or another simple one like that.

i have a few stickers on my vehicle. a "michigan upper peninsula- gods country" front license plate, and a McCain / Palin decal on the back window, an "AMA, I VOTE" (American Motorcyclist Associasion), several fake bullet holes (to cover up scratches from the kids bikes, etc.) and 2 american flags. so does that make me a target?

I don't think so. But you just might be a redneck. [/foxworthy]

Old Dog
January 15, 2009, 01:52 PM
Uh, expvideo, I think you need to migrate over to the West side of the sound. Or at least get out of King or Snohomish county ...
I live in Western Washington, where it is pretty much all Obama country,Argh! No it's not; those folks are just a lot noisier and more visible than the rest of us ...

expvideo
January 15, 2009, 01:59 PM
Yeah, no kidding!

jkingrph
January 15, 2009, 02:08 PM
I don't have any stickers on my cars or wear clothing with logos on it. Maybe more of personal taste than paranoia.

I agree, the only way I would consider any of the above would be if I were paid, and paid well, to display them, and most would be declined.

Treo
January 15, 2009, 02:16 PM
I think I'll go out and find a nice subtle gun sticker. Something like "got Sig?" or another simple one like that.

A nice subtle CZUSA sticker? a lot of gunnies wouldn't even get that ( and those that do would think you had impeccable taste)

againstthagrane
January 15, 2009, 02:29 PM
i saw a guy with a giant sig sauer sticker on his car the other day and i thought.

"if i was a criminal and wanted a good chance of finding a gun in someone's car i'd know where to start looking"

terrible idea. just as bad as advertising high end car audio in the way of stickers.

wep45
January 15, 2009, 02:36 PM
i dont advertise for free and you dont need to know what i got:neener:

expvideo
January 15, 2009, 04:01 PM
I don't like to display brand loyalty, either guns or clothes, but I was just thinking a subtle sticker like "got Sig?" would be more my style than something more blatent. I'm mostly hoping to give other gun owners that "I'm not alone" feeling more than trying to make a one-liner point to antis.

Owen Sparks
January 15, 2009, 04:14 PM
In my state it is perfectly legal to keep a loaded handgun in your car for self defense. A large percentage of cars around here do contain handguns. Therefore a sticker on a parked car would be like an advertisement to a thief. Bad idea.

If you were in a state with laws against having a gun in your car you and were pulled over by the police, you can bet that they will come up with some excuse to search your car. (I think I smell Marijuana. Sir, step out of the car!) Bad idea. I don't let people know that I own lots of guns.
My close friends and shooting buddies know but I don't advertise to the general public by telling people I don't know and trust. That is exactly what a sticker does.

ravencon
January 15, 2009, 04:16 PM
It's not just criminals I want to avoid but police also. I live in a jurisdiction hostile to firearms so I don't have anything on my vehicles identifying me as a firearms owner.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
January 15, 2009, 04:43 PM
Do you believe in Jesus? Well, your going to meet Him. P. Kersey death wish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVLMyNRIClo&NR=1

Yes, I believe in Jesus. And, when I die, I will be in heaven.
It will sure beat this place, even on the best day of your life.:cool:
I saw the YouTube clip. I wasn't impressed. It's the world.

skidooman
January 15, 2009, 07:17 PM
I have a NRA sticker on one side of my back window, and the Browning buckmark on the other side. I also regularly wear a Browning sweatshirt. I also have a NRA sticker on my boat. I have never had any comments but positive ones.

.66Cal.
January 15, 2009, 07:20 PM
Got SIG?

greenr18
January 15, 2009, 07:23 PM
do i give a crap your kid is an honor student at the dipstick school for the monkeys

hahaha :D

Deer Hunter
January 15, 2009, 07:33 PM
I want to get a sticker that says "Who Is John Galt?" on my car.

It would sum up more than just how I feel about firearms.

U.S.SFC_RET
January 15, 2009, 08:21 PM
I am not going to give the State of Maryland an excuse. No sticker.

Lone_Gunman
January 15, 2009, 08:55 PM
Plus, who really cares to read other peoples self advertisements in the form of stickers on a car? Off topic but do I give a crap your kid is an honor student at the Dipstick School for the Monkeys ot that you own a Ruger?

By the same token, why do you think anyone cares what your opinion is about these things to begin with? The people with the Honor Roll bumper sticker on their car have it on there for their kid, not because of you. It makes the kid feel proud. Nobody gives a flying **** about whether you read it or care.

kc5jsr
January 15, 2009, 09:01 PM
Well yes. yes I do. And as a former M.P. and Civilian P.O. I don't have a problem with well trained, law abiding citizens the right to concealed carry, as a matter of fact, I welcome it.

I would like to say, I wouldn't run around with a sticker that the criminal minded would recognize, but not many would understand "Got Sig".

However, in the current, or up-coming political enviroment, God I hope I spelled that right, I think I will ditch the sticker, call me a coward, but a wise man always takes heed.

Not trying to call my-self a wise man, no way. Just a little something to think about.

God bless, and keep You safe
John C.

jokusfocus
January 15, 2009, 09:32 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I have seen people targeted for theft when they visit a shooting range. I was at the ACUI Clay Target Championship in San Antonio last year, and the team from Texas A&M Corpus Christi was targeted. Apparently they stuck a sticker on their taillight at the range, and broke into their van when they stopped for dinner. Last year, I heard that another team's van was broken into during the night, stealing all of their ammunition.

http://www.ksat.com/news/15858419/detail.html

I personally don't put any stickers on my car identifying me as a gun owner, but anybody who is near my apartment can see me carrying guns to my car several times a week. No plan is perfect. But at least I can't be singled out in the WalMart parking lot.

Lone_Gunman
January 15, 2009, 09:36 PM
Do you guys also wear disguises when shopping for ammo at Wal Mart or looking at scopes at Bass Pro Shop? "They" may be watching you, studying your moves, and planning a sneak attack on you in the parking lot!

Seriously, there are a lot of new medicines on the market that will help you feel better.

Prion
January 15, 2009, 09:44 PM
Hey lonegunman that is a great point about the stickers being for the kids. Hadn't thought about that. As far as other peoples concerns about not wanting everyone to know about their closet or safe full of guns I think it is legitimate concern not to be belittled. There is a big difference between advertising on your car for all to see and wearing a disguise when buying ammo at wallyworld. It is called being reasonably cautious and then living life knowing you can't control everything.

Stony Lane
January 15, 2009, 09:55 PM
It is important that we mainstream gun ownership and the shooting sports. The anti-gun liberals want to marginalize us.
Join a pro-gun organization and proudly put the stickers on your cars! Stand up and be counted!

Rodentman
January 15, 2009, 10:06 PM
I proudly display an NRA and S&W sticker on my car. Also a Mopar Performance one and a K&N one. I don't consider my vehicle a target for theft any more than an unstickered vehicle. The only car theft I ever suffered was the loss of a radio from a car with no stickers.

.38 Special
January 15, 2009, 10:07 PM
I used to teach at an R.O.P. program for EMT certification. Lots of those kids would get all "Ricky Rescue" about it, which often included some type of medical insignia for the car. I'd estimate that about 25% of those student's cars got broken into at some point during the course, most likely by people looking for drugs. So I absolutely understand the point about not making yourself a target.

As for the "My kid..." bumperstickers, it is almost a form of blackmail. It's kind of akin to Junior bringing home a macaroni collage. You have no choice but to hang it on the fringe. If you stash it in a drawer somewhere Junior is going to be scarred for life.

Prion
January 15, 2009, 10:13 PM
Look at all the peace, end hunger, fight poverty stickers on peoples cars. Now look at a world at war filled with poor starving people. Stickers don't make a darn bit of difference on the political spectrum. It's a sticker, an advertisement, not a world changer.

uh-oh
January 15, 2009, 10:19 PM
The sticker on the back of my van says:
"Guns Save Lives. Over 2.5 million defensive uses per year"I have the same sticker on the back of my truck cab. I think it was the reason the Ranger asked me if I had a CWP and a CCW when I got stopped. I didn't have the CCW at the time. I would rather he hadn't asked me to begin with, and wonder if I would even have been bothered with if I had not had it. I have reconsidered the sticker, but haven't taken it off.

Lone_Gunman
January 15, 2009, 10:52 PM
It is called being reasonably cautious

One man's reasonably cautious is another man's paranoid delusions.

Elm Creek Smith
January 15, 2009, 10:52 PM
No stickers on the truck except a pennant from the gun club with "09" on it and a US Army Retired bumper sticker. I wear a Remington ball cap occasionally, but it's not exactly flashy. The hat I like to wear most is the ball cap with the Honolulu Police patch on it. Even though I'm not in Hawai'i, I've watched people of lesser moral character see the hat and get careful. Of course, when I see them getting careful, I watch them which makes it worse for them.

Life is good. I am not a police officer, nor do I try to make people think I am. As an armed citizen, I don't have to try to arrest anyone.

ECS

The Lone Haranguer
January 15, 2009, 10:56 PM
No gun-related anything on my person, vehicle or home. Call me paranoid, I can take it. :p

The Deer Hunter
January 15, 2009, 11:15 PM
Personally, I really get tired of seeing all the Obama '08 stickers along with the tree-huggers' stickers, anti-Bush stickers, blah blah blah.

Notice how those are the only obnoxious stickers you see...

planetmobius
January 16, 2009, 12:15 AM
Actually, I think it would be helpful if you would attract the bad guy with the gun sticker and then lure him into your lair and take care of business. Why can't this ever happen to me?

bgeddes
January 16, 2009, 12:20 AM
I was shooting at a our local range one day and two guys without guns were watching me shoot. I was alone. They had no guns at the range and were not asking questions nor paying attention to what I was actually doing.

When I left I made sure they saw the locked and cocked 1911 on my hip as I climbed into the car. They left right behind me. This range has two way to get to it, a mile or two off the highway, or the over-the-river-and-through-the-woods way. I went home the later, and took some extra turns. They followed me until they were certain I was aware of them.

Call me paranoid, but it just doesn't add up to circumstance.

Officers'Wife
January 16, 2009, 12:35 AM
The beauty of freedom of speech is that you don't have to say anything. Where you are worried about prudence my take is why advertise what is not really anyone's business but your own?

Dark_Harvest
January 16, 2009, 04:18 AM
Elm_Creek_Smith said:

"The hat I like to wear most is the ball cap with the Honolulu Police patch on it... ...I've watched people of lesser moral character see the hat and get careful... ...I am not a police officer"



Well, it kinda seems that you would like to be... And seriously.. "lesser moral character?" Did you sit them down and have long philosophical discussions with them? Do you know their darkest dreams and highest hopes? That's a rather self-important statement ya got there...

209
January 16, 2009, 05:23 AM
I had an idiot scratch my car because I had a "yellow ribbon' magnet on it. Said idiot also took the magnet and torn it in two and left it laying on the ground. He obviously didn't support the troops.

Believe it or not, I had an officer tell me to my face that he views NRA stickers on cars as a bad thing when he stops one. He's not exactly the most pro-2nd A officer I've met.

Many years ago, I had a drunk soldier break a window in my car because he didn't like the Marine bumpersticker. (Caught him- imagine his chargin when he found out I was a former Marine and at the time he broke the window, I was a Army SFC assigned as an instructor in the NCO school he was attending. :p )

These days I think long and hard about what identifiers I display. I do wear a Federal- Heavy Hitter ball cap from time-to-time. Few people even have a clue what it refers to. I actually had a woman ask me what team it was. As a LEO, I never display anything that will ID me as a cop when I'm off-duty either.

jimmyraythomason
January 16, 2009, 12:04 PM
I have an NRA Life member ,an NAHC Life member and a Sons of Confederate Veterans sticker on my truck(and a Cz82 in the door compartment)..

whited
January 16, 2009, 12:47 PM
Gun company stickers are the very last stickers I would put on my car.

ultradoc
January 16, 2009, 03:30 PM
No stickers on my vehicle. It's all black and plain jane. A big differance from my last vehicle. It was all nice and shiny with some chrome and had some stickers.

HarleyFixer
January 16, 2009, 05:17 PM
Only thing on my truck to indicate I even know what a gun looks like is my Vietnam Vet tag.

camper1
January 16, 2009, 09:44 PM
It doesn't quite track to go to the trouble of getting a concealed carry permit and then advertising it on your vehicle.

Lone_Gunman
January 16, 2009, 10:12 PM
I think there are a lot of scared wussies on this board... lol

ArmedBear
January 16, 2009, 10:17 PM
Seriously, there are a lot of new medicines on the market that will help you feel better.

LOL Lone Gunman.

I'm sure you could be set up with pills that stop you from paying to advertise for other people's businesses so you can "express yourself", too.

There's a pill for everything now.

seeds76
January 16, 2009, 10:19 PM
Personally, I don't think it's paranoid at all. Why would you advertise you have firearms or possibly carry. A criminal that now knows you carry or have firearms will probably make sure he/she has some kind of advantage over you knowing that you still need to draw your weapon.

Lone_Gunman
January 16, 2009, 10:20 PM
I don't have any stickers on my ride, and don't give a crap if anyone else does either!
Come on its just a sticker for crying out loud.

So you put a sticker for "Ruger" on your car. OK, at most you saying you have a $400 gun inside your $20,000+ automobile.

Hell, if I was the crook I would just steal the damn car.

FoMoGo
January 16, 2009, 10:29 PM
Personally, I don't think it's paranoid at all. Why would you advertise you have firearms or possibly carry. A criminal that now knows you carry or have firearms will probably make sure he/she has some kind of advantage over you knowing that you still need to draw your weapon.
I think the .44 or .45 hanging on my side advertises that I have a gun moreso than any stickers will... :D


Jim

Bartkowski
January 16, 2009, 10:38 PM
A criminal that now knows you carry or have firearms will probably make sure he/she has some kind of advantage over you knowing that you still need to draw your weapon.

Ya, because the criminals usually don't make sure they have an advantage? If you have a gun a criminal is less likely to do anything to you in the first place.

Old Dog
January 17, 2009, 02:11 AM
"Scared wussies?"

Hoo-boy. Discretion is always the better part of valor, and certainly the better part of advertising.

Guess the voices of experience mean nothing to some of you. In my line of work, I deal with criminals, and interview them regularly ... I know how they think.

But carry on smartly, guys.

At any rate, I'd never advertise any product, no matter how much in love I was with said product, for free. Some of you evidently come cheaper.

mauiglide
January 17, 2009, 03:26 AM
I'm not one to put stickers on my car. That's just how I am and my personal perference. I do wear a lot of hats and shirts that have firearms logos. Only a couple strangers over the years have made a comment on my attire that I didn't care to answer and I just ignore them. BTW, I just became a member of the NRA and have a couple NRA stickers. I still didn't decide where to put them;).

BHP FAN
January 17, 2009, 04:10 AM
I put my gun related stickers on my gun safe,nowadays.I used to have Charlton Heston is MY President,NRA,politically incorrect,and SASS stickers all over my Ranger,but my brother has the pick-up now,and I got a Suzuki ''Japanese Jeep'' that I love,and it's dead stock and unadorned.Nowadays,in THIS political climate,I'm all about stealth.

Lone_Gunman
January 17, 2009, 08:09 AM
Nowadays,in THIS political climate,I'm all about stealth.

What does "in THIS political climate" mean exactly? Is Obama putting together a super secret organization thats going to go around and make people with gun stickers on their car quietly "disappear"??

LightningJoe
January 17, 2009, 09:30 AM
Put a Brady Bunch sticker on your car. Then, criminals will know you don't have guns and won't bother to follow you home.


Or they would if they could read. So, drive an old, crappy car that needs body work and a paint job. Then, even illiterate criminals will ignore you.

SCKimberFan
January 17, 2009, 01:03 PM
It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you! :neener:

kentucky bucky
January 17, 2009, 02:24 PM
I don't think it's a good idea to have anything on a vehicle that advertises any usefull information to crooks or over zealous police. The less a stranger knows about me and my family the better. I think it's a real bad idea to put kids names and their sports, schools, and hobbies on vehicles. I saw this the other day and thought what a great thing for a child predator to know. as for gun logos, etc., why do you want every thug to know you are a gun person an may have a gun in your car while it's parked or a gun collection in your house. If you are on vacation, it may invite a "super trooper", gung ho cop to pull you over or search your vehicle. Personally I don't advertise anything.

JImbothefiveth
January 17, 2009, 04:03 PM
I'll say it once again, official NRA courses teach not to put NRA bumper stickers on your car, so I feel if they of all people urge not to put their own bumper stickers on cars, you'd better not do it.

Treo
January 17, 2009, 04:21 PM
not to put NRA bumper stickers on your car, so I feel if they of all people urge not to put their own bumper stickers on cars, you'd better not do it.

Why do they sell them & give them to new members?

Vern Humphrey
January 17, 2009, 04:33 PM
A potential thief could case you and your home in hopes of securing himself some firearms.
That happened to me -- it had nothing to do with stickers on my car. We had cats, the cats had fleas, and my wife called an exterminator -- who gave a list of my guns and directions to my house to a burglar.

Fortunately, there was an informant, and the burglar was caught before he hit my house.

TexasRifleman
January 17, 2009, 04:36 PM
exterminator -- who gave a list of my guns and directions to my house to a burglar.

Have to show that to my wife. She can't understand why I am so fanatical about not letting service folks into the house til I do a "scrub" of the place.

Gun magazines, guitars, books, computers, I put it all away.

Takes me an hour before I'll let anyone in.

Glad they caught them before the plan was put into action. Scary stuff.

Vern Humphrey
January 17, 2009, 04:38 PM
I don't let anyone I don't know in my house without everything being put away. Once bitten, twice shy.

Officers'Wife
January 17, 2009, 05:07 PM
Hi Bucky

If you are on vacation, it may invite a "super trooper", gung ho cop to pull you over or search your vehicle.

IIRC One of the Fed Circuit courts ruled (5th I believe) a gun related bumper sticker was not sufficient cause for a vehicle search. Right attitude though.

Evnldr
June 12, 2009, 02:02 AM
I have an NRA sticker but with the tinted glass id is hard to see. as well as a Modern performance, sticker.. I'm proud NRA member.

chuckusaret
June 12, 2009, 11:18 AM
I have a Florida License plate on my car that has the Army Seal and US ARMY across the bottom of the tag. It has been suggested by many friends that I am asking for trouble because there are so many people that dislike the American military. What a sad state we have allowed America to sink to. I will not change the tag and have added a 101st Airborne Div plate frame and I dare anyone to make an attempt to damage my car because of the plate. I have also ordered a US Army retired plate for the front of the car which will also have a 101st plate frame and retired stickers for the windows. I am an old guy with a very bad attitude when someone attempts to or violate my rights. Yes, I have a CCW permit and carry 99.9% of the time for my protection and my familys protection.

Dihappy
June 12, 2009, 12:38 PM
If your afraid someone will break into your home and steal your guns, you need a better safe :)

CoRoMo
June 12, 2009, 12:45 PM
Why would you advertise you have firearms or possibly carry. A criminal that now knows you carry or have firearms will probably make sure he/she has some kind of advantage over you knowing that you still need to draw your weapon.

Completely unsupported and unsubstantiated notion. Never has it happened with the tens of thousands of stickers driving around over the many decades. Well, maybe it happened once, but nobody knows. Lightning kills people in the shower more often.

I think there are a lot of scared imaginatively paranoid wussies on this board... lol

Exactly.

GBExpat
June 12, 2009, 12:51 PM
I neither advertise that I own firearms nor that I am carrying one.

The only voluntary sticker that I will put on my car/truck is one of the US Flag.

Dr. Fresh
June 12, 2009, 02:55 PM
I don't have any stickers on my truck, for two reasons.

First, I don't want anyone to break in.

Second, as a rule, if someone wants to know more about me they should talk to me. I don't care much for bumper sticker politics in general, gun-related or not.

I'm not ashamed of my position on the 2A, so that's not the reason.

DammitBoy
June 12, 2009, 03:02 PM
I stay away from any stickers or logos or brand names on anything I own.

Not for reasons of paranoia, but because it's just plain tacky.

I'm not advertising for anybody with my clothing or on my vehicles - not even the dealership I bought my vehicle from...

GBExpat
June 12, 2009, 03:24 PM
I'm not advertising for anybody with my clothing or on my vehicles - not even the dealership I bought my vehicle from...

<chuckle> And I thought that I was the only one to take out the mineral spirits and care-ful-ly remove the dealer advertisement placard/sticker from the paint on the back of every new vehicle that I buy.

And, yes, afterwards I clean the spot and wax it. ;)

MT GUNNY
June 12, 2009, 03:37 PM
Ive Never had an Issue, Only Compliments. I wonder Why?:evil:

99883

Nicky Santoro
June 12, 2009, 03:40 PM
Here in Nazi Jerky the badged up bullies boys who are the police seem to believe that such stickers are an invitation to initiate a stop and attempt to coerce an illegal search.

runrabbitrun
June 12, 2009, 03:58 PM
All these posts about a 1a right. hummm

To be or NOT be PC.

That must be the true question here.

Col. Plink
June 12, 2009, 04:22 PM
I normally do not put stickers on my car, I don't care what other people think and I can't see them myself anyway.

I have made exceptions: Led Zeppelin sticker on my mom's '84 Buick Regal that I drove; Yes, Grateful Dead, and Texas diver stickers on the Bronco I drove in college, that's about it.

Recently though I considered a Ron Paul sticker for his constitutionalism and 'end the Fed' agenda; my buddy also has a very cool-looking Springfield Armory sticker with the crossed cannons (which is also a patriotic thing to me).

I think I may go with a "Sic Semper Tyrannis (Thus Ever to Tyrants)" with Lady Liberty standing over a slain king, or a rattlesnake "Don't Tread on Me" sticker, or the same artwork with "Don't Taze Me, Bro" considering the current climate of our police, er, nanny state. Then again, why taunt the reactionaries?

Maybe I'll just go back to Led Zeppelin...

Mud Pup P
June 12, 2009, 09:45 PM
So, my sticker that say's DRIVER ONLY CARRIES $20 WORTH OF AMMUNITION" Should Come Off?

Bummer

jad0110
June 12, 2009, 11:34 PM
So, my sticker that say's DRIVER ONLY CARRIES $20 WORTH OF AMMUNITION" Should Come Off?

Nah, I wouldn't worry about it. Today, that would only be like 4 rounds of ammo anyway, right? :D

GBExpat
June 13, 2009, 09:07 AM
...To be or NOT be PC.

That must be the true question here.

I seriously doubt that the views of most of the folks here on this subject have anything to do with political correctness.

dullh
June 13, 2009, 10:06 AM
I don't advertise. Period. It ain't being paranoid, it's being realistic. Why put a big "over here break into me" invitation on your car?

There for about a six month period about 2 years ago there was an SUV around here, had a New York tag, personalized "GLOCK 27". Where to start. First off, in a police state like New York seems to me that tag would yell "hey police man pull ME over" - since having a loaded accessible gun in the car is a felony in the PRNY. With this rotten shell of a pop culture society we live in today, you could pick up the paper tomorrow and read the headline: "gun stickers qualify as probable cause for search, says judge".

Second, what's to gain being that in-your-face boisterous about a gun?

Keep a low profile and make life easier on yourself.

22-rimfire
June 13, 2009, 10:15 AM
I guess the NRA license plates are out?

I generally don't put any kind of stickers on my vehicles. You won't find a single "Protected by Smith & Wesson" sign anywhere on my property. All I say is different strokes for different folks. I doubt it makes much of a difference one way or the other.

"Amand, there's a gun sticker on that car, lets tail it and steal his guns when he's inside Walmart buying ammo."

dullh
June 13, 2009, 10:20 AM
The real point here is you can do what you individually want to do. Some choose to "advertise". I don't. I see absolutely no benefit to it. I leave money in the gun shops and I vote for the most conservative candidates. Since liberalism has permeated the conservative party the most conservative candidate nowadays might have a "D" behind his name.

I'd rather take action with my vote and my wallet then "advertise".

TOTC
June 13, 2009, 11:08 AM
How does it go?

I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean someone isn't out to get me.

With that being said, I do have three stickers on my vehicle, a decal for a performance rally event I help organize, my CERT team's sticker, and a small Trek bicycle sticker.

SWDoc
June 13, 2009, 11:33 AM
Personally, I don't have any stickers indicating my politics, religion, weaponry, or training. I think John Farnam calls it "stealth existence".

Strangers don't need to know anything personal about me.

Steve

Karl Hungus
June 13, 2009, 11:38 AM
I've got a small American flag sticker on my truck, but after reading this thread I'm gonna go razor-blade that thing off. I'd don't want any crazies to find out I'm American! :eek:

In fact, I think from now on I'm just gonna stay home with a shotgun pointed at the door.

MT GUNNY
June 13, 2009, 12:33 PM
Quote : I'd don't want any crazies to find out I'm American!

I'm Proud of who I am and that I am an American. If someone Don't Like it, then they can KMA. Only a Intolerant, Arrogant, Person Will confront You about your Flag! Like John Rich said " If you don't like America you can Get the (H.E. Double Hockey sticks) Out"

scndactive
June 13, 2009, 12:49 PM
Mine is a political thing more than a gun thing, but I guess it could be looked at the same way.

When I saw this phrase I immediately wanted to get more involved politically. Write some letters, make some phone calls, make my voice be heard. I also wanted others to see it, and maybe it would motivate them to do the same, http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=99818&d=1244734267
so I had a sticker made as big as would fit in the back window of my truck.

I'm convinced it has gotten me out of at least 1 ticket for 15 over the limit. Saw a motorcycle cop coming up fast from behind, he stuck on my tail for a moment then pulled around to the drivers side gave a big smile and a thumbs up.:D

grimjaw
June 13, 2009, 01:35 PM
My car doesn't wear any gun logos, but I do. To be honest, though, I only got it because it was extremely marked down at a Gander Mountain.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3542/3513532693_cc776293be.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/grimjaw/3513532693/)

CountGlockula
June 13, 2009, 01:39 PM
It's better than "Arms are for Hugging" bumper sticker.

tasco 74
June 13, 2009, 01:54 PM
i'm like you grim... i have some smith&wesson shirts and i love to wear them in places like minneapolis or iowa city just to kinda put the gun ownership out there..... my car has some stickers on the windows that came with a donation or two to law enforcement outfits.... it's kinda fun to put the 2nd amendment rights into the faces of some of the folks who voted for "change".................................

LIFE IS SHORT.....

Baneblade
June 13, 2009, 11:35 PM
I realize I am a little late in this thread, but do have something to add. Some criminals do select victims based on what they observe on the vehicle. Just tonight we had a criminal damage to a car (slashed tires) that belongs to an "alternative lifestyle" couple. Rainbow stickers. Can we prove it? No. But it is the Pride in the Pines Festival this weekend so "hate crimes" will increase.

I have taken several police reports for home invasions where the victim was targeted for a specific possession of value, guns and jewelry in particular. Criminals are cowards for the most part, but it isn't that hard to wait for someone to leave before you break a window and make entry.

My advise to people, no stickers. Don't advertise.

FiREhAwk
June 14, 2009, 02:34 AM
I dont put any stickers on my car. I do wear some gun and nra clothing from time to time and I also have a Browning Deer symbol hanging from my mirror. When I was in high school, very rural (Spivey's Corner "The hollerin' captal of the world") look it up. A new girl transferd in who was very goth, which alot of the students were not used to. That was not the problem, as most of the students were very well mannered. The problem was she had a bumper sticker on her car that had a confederate flag with a big line crossed through it that said "you lost get over it". Now this girl knew no one from this school and she came from Pennsylvania I think with that sticker and another one with some anti country music stuff on it. I do not know if something happened in her past that gave her these feelings or what. I am still very supprised nothing ever happend to her vehicle but she obviously didnt make many new friends. I would not feel comfortable leaving my car with nra, S&W, ect... in the brady bunch parking lot or hope to be invited out to eat or socialize. I dont mess with people belongings, but alot of people do not see it that way. Like the hippies that went around a few years ago putting some kind bumperstickers on peoples suv's and trucks. :fire:

mercedesrules
June 26, 2009, 03:29 PM
Totalitarianism in One City: Shreveport’s Gun-Grabbing Mayor
(http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w99.1.html)

"Any time a motorist is stopped by a police officer, insists Shreveport, Louisiana Mayor Cedric Glover, "Your rights ... have been suspended."


"Baillio doesn't conceal his NRA membership; it's advertised by a sticker on the rear windshield of his truck, as are his very passionate views of the right to armed self-defense. "Armed We Are Citizens! Un-Armed We Are Subjects!" exclaims another bumper sticker, expressing a core truth of our republican heritage. Yet another sticker displays various kinds and grades of ammunition captioned by the directive, "Celebrate Diversity."

It's the safest of bets that what triggered the stop, as it were, was not a traffic infraction by Baillio, but rather the police officer's conditioned reflex to treat the public expression of pro-gun ownership sentiments as innately suspicious."

DHJenkins
June 26, 2009, 04:49 PM
I don't put any stickers on my truck except for the occaisional TX state trooper supporter decal, and that goes on my window above my registration sticker.

No sense advertising I might have something worth stealing in the vehicle.

Reid73
June 26, 2009, 05:16 PM
If a criminal is cruising a large parking lot, thinking about a quick smash & grab, or checking for unlocked vehicles, which vehicle is more likely to yield some "fence-able" goods from the console; the one with the Glock/NRA stickers, or the one with the Honor Roll sticker? Why call attention to your vehicle as one that "might" contain a firearm.Exactly!

The people with the Honor Roll bumper sticker on their car have it on there for their kid, not because of you. It makes the kid feel proud.Must boost Precious Little One's fragile self-esteem, mustn't we? :rolleyes:

Stony Lane
June 27, 2009, 09:24 AM
The anti-gun groups (and state controlled media) want to marginalize guns and their owners. If more gunowners/shooters displayed their decals and stickers, we'd give encouragement to others.

Those guys who signed the Declaration of Independence put their lives on the line. I'm sure we could dare to show a sticker or two.

(I have an NRA sticker, a USPSA sticker and am adding a "God Bless Our Troops...Especially Our Snipers" sticker.) The "Sniper" sticker is from LaRue Tactical.

Bowhntr13
June 28, 2009, 06:08 PM
What abt to each their own dont like stickers dont put them on dont like other peoples stickers dont read them and you might want to scrape the emblem off the back of your car might just be the make the criminals are looking for

KBT1911
June 30, 2009, 06:15 PM
I have a souvenier sticker from the Cayman Islands and a fraternal badge on my car and thats it. Both items are pretty low key and do not have loud colors or logos. No gun stuff. That's for me to know and anyone who messes with me to find out.

GRAYRID3R
June 30, 2009, 07:22 PM
I had a B.A.S.S. sticker on my last truck and my tackle box was stolen out of my friends boat at the lake once while we were eating lunch at a dock. HMMMMM??!:confused:

Templar223
June 30, 2009, 07:35 PM
Suggestion:

Instead of hiding in the closet as a gun owner, do the opposite.

Come on out of the closet and proclaim your status as a gun owner! It's not that hard. Bad guys aren't looking to get perforated to get a gun.

Instead of being a closet gun owner, I'd urge you to instead be proud and help others learn about the safe and fun sport of shooting and all of the benefits it entails to its practitioners!

Trust me, if BGs looked for cars or homes to break into because of stickers or publicity garnered by people like me, then I would have been broken into long, long ago.

The same logic says that bad guys will ambush cops to take their guns. How often does that happen outside of Chicago?

John

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