Anyone ever see/use sights like these?


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btefft
January 16, 2009, 01:48 PM
Anyone ever see/use sights like these?

Hey, guys, anyone every seen sights like these:
http://www.suresight.com/

Seems like a cool sight picture. I'm thinking about getting a set.

Hack

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KBintheSLC
January 16, 2009, 02:00 PM
I have never tried them... I was looking at them, but the fact that the front sight sticks out so far drove me away. Might be good for a match pistol, but does not look appealing for CCW.

rcmodel
January 16, 2009, 02:07 PM
Well, it took about 150 years to figure out the most accurate handgun sight system was the square notch rear & post front sight.

Your eye automatacally aligns them precisely just by looking at the front sight.

Those things seem to require conscous thought & shifting eye focus back & forth to make sure the big triangle is precisely on top of the bottom triangle just so, before you are going to hit anything.

I believe I'll pass.

rc

woad_yurt
January 16, 2009, 02:33 PM
Reminds me of Steyr sights a little.

Anteater1717
January 16, 2009, 05:44 PM
Looks neat, but you may have to focus your eye's back and forth to shoot accurately.

btefft
January 16, 2009, 07:50 PM
From the responses I've read so far, it seems that more shooters do not like them.

Hack

Walkalong
January 16, 2009, 09:26 PM
conscious thought & shifting eye focus back & forth to make sure the big triangle is precisely on top of the bottom triangle just so,That's my first thought. I'll pass as well.

twofifty
January 16, 2009, 11:50 PM
btefft, I checked out that website last year and would like to try out the Suresight on a match gun.

The theory makes sense, or it seems to, but what they don't show is how the triangle looks when the gun is aimed high or low....

Boba Fett
January 17, 2009, 12:09 AM
Before passing judgement on them, I'd like to try them first.

But I'll admit, I'm very skeptical about them for most of the reasons people have mentioned above.

Jason_G
January 17, 2009, 12:33 AM
Everyone says that they would take longer to align, but I can't see how they would possibly take any longer to align than a post and notch sight. I haven't gotten to try them yet, but I am open-minded. They may be great... or they might suck, I just don't know. The only thing that I would be concerned about is durability and also whether that pointed front sight would catch leather on the presentation. It would suck to draw your pistol and see a big ball of leather nap in place of the front sight.

Jason

btefft
January 17, 2009, 12:37 AM
Another forum warned me not to order them, they don't deliver.

Said he liked them, ordered them and they never arrived.

Hack

1SOW
January 17, 2009, 01:35 AM
No and no, but...I don't see pics or videos of Bullseye shooters using them.
It doesn't look like they would be fast or easily adjustable.
+1 for rcmodel

Sunray
January 17, 2009, 02:33 AM
There have been all kinds of sights made for .45's over the years. However, like rcmodel says, none of 'em beat a square notch rear & post front sight. Even the good, high visilibity, fixed, Millet's, with the white outline and front sight dot, I have on my Colt, are still a square notch rear & post front sight.
No sight fixes poor shot placement either. Even a scope rifle has to be sighted in.

CPshooter
January 17, 2009, 05:16 AM
Well, it took about 150 years to figure out the most accurate handgun sight system was the square notch rear & post front sight.

Your eye automatacally aligns them precisely just by looking at the front sight.

Those things seem to require conscous thought & shifting eye focus back & forth to make sure the big triangle is precisely on top of the bottom triangle just so, before you are going to hit anything.

I believe I'll pass.
Well said. So many companies these days are trying to make money off of nothing but a gimmick. Luckily, there are people smart enough to see the difference between a good product and a gimmick. For the other people...well, I'm glad I'm not one of 'em:)

If you want a good sight, check out Heinie's product line!

Sport45
January 17, 2009, 07:39 AM
Those sights are on the XD45 I bought used. They aren't bad, but they're not really that good either. I find I can center them quickly side to side but the up and down is more difficult. That leaves me stringing shots vertically. For a IDPA gun I think they'd be great. I'd rate them second to fiber optic or tritium sights for SD.

Oro
January 17, 2009, 08:14 AM
The idea has some good merit. I have not tried it, but the theory is solid. The basic theory of how optical processing works in the brain is valid, and works in real-life. But I also wonder about how tall and damage prone the front sight is going to be, like KB said in the first response. 99% of my guns are traditional square-notch and post arrangements, but sometimes experimentation can be educational.

I've been using a variation on that principle for years, and when my eyes get much older, it will be my solution: A fiber optic post front sight in a V-notch, or "diamond ghost" rear.

I was playing around in the parts bin at the Caspian factory about 10 years ago and found their "diamond ghost" rear sight - a Bo-mar copy with a vertical diamond instead of a square notch or a round aperture. I bought it and took it home, then decided it would be interesting to put a f.o. post front on it. It is the quickest-aligning fixed iron sight I've ever used, and anyone else who's used it (a few, not many), have really liked it. It is capable of great accuracy but is quick and intuitive to align, the "dot" drops right into the "V" notch at the bottom of the diamond. It also allows great alignment whether focused on the rear aperture, front sight, or target. That is perhaps the great virtue of these sight systems.

I tried to take some pictures of it a few years ago, but they are lacking. Here's two if they help illustrate it. You adjust the sights to ht where you want with the dot cradled in the bottom of the "V". Any slight shift left or right occludes the dot and you correct instantly, intuitively, same for any motion off target upward (dot slips out of sight again). Downward aiming error is checked by the natural top horizontal line of the top of the post along the top of the rear sight blade.

Boy, I thought I was bright and on to something, until later I realized S&W had been making this sight system on their revolvers since the 30s with a gold-dot Call bead front sight (gold dot on a Patridge post) and v-notched rear blade! Lately S&W has been semi-recreating this with f.o. fronts and a v-notch rear.

So, for those with weakening eyes, or you just want a really quick-aligning sight system, here's one that's been around 80 years and works dang well:

1)f.o. front post/diamond rear aligned
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd275/kamerer/2nd%20Ammendment/IMGP2321.jpg

2) slightly mis-aligned to show how obvious it is, even when not focused on front sight
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd275/kamerer/2nd%20Ammendment/IMGP2319.jpg

Semmerling
January 17, 2009, 02:33 PM
guttersnipe.....

look it up...seriously
What is old (or in this case, what is friggin old) is new again.

ppcgm
January 18, 2009, 10:54 PM
If you plan to shoot IPSC or IDPA, they're not legal since the rule interpretation has been that those are not "notch and post". I tried some of the BIG dot sights with the shallow V rear too and wind up selling the gun so I didn't have to swap them off again.

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