How long before a gun rusts?


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greenr18
January 16, 2009, 06:13 PM
Ok lets say i hate rust on guns, lets say i may be staying over at someones apartment tonight in an area that id feel like having my one and only CCW on me, i dont generally carry and im quite paranoid when it comes to rust and stuff like that on my guns, if i handle my beretta to load a magazine then put the thing in my pocket for sayyy 48 hours, (id like to point out this apartment is quite humid for the most part 24/7) then come home, will there be rust / corrosion forming on it?

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CoRoMo
January 16, 2009, 06:17 PM
Surely not on a Beretta.
I would think a gun rusting under those conditions would have a poor bluing finish. My brother built his own 1911 and the slide was a cheap oly with very thin bluing. He noticed a few tiny specs after he carried it through some falling snow during hunting season. My Ruger had deeper bluing and was fine and it got more moisture than his.

rcmodel
January 16, 2009, 06:17 PM
Let's say, It depends.

Will you keep it under the hot sweaty covers with you & lets say, "someone"? :evil:

rc

greenr18
January 16, 2009, 06:19 PM
Will you keep it under the hot sweaty covers with you & "someone"?

haha :D

Ron James
January 16, 2009, 06:43 PM
There are certain people with acid sweat. They just touch touch a piece of steel and it will rust. I had a Friend who's handguns were all stainless or plated because because of this. All the lubricant in the world wouldn't help. When using a long arm he always wore gloves and at night made sure the gun was wiped down. OT, had another friend who could not wear a watch. it would stop with a couple of hours. I thought it was BS and tested him. I gave him a working watch ( a good one ) to wear, Three hours later we took a break from hunting and I'll be da** if the watch hadn't stopped. I sent it back to Seiko repair and they sent it back and said it couldn't be fixed, it had been magnetized , That was 40 years ago and I lost track of him, I wonder if he can use a computer with out killing it. :confused:

ServiceSoon
January 16, 2009, 06:55 PM
People do have different body chemistry. Part of evolution you know.

longdayjake
January 16, 2009, 07:44 PM
There are certain people with acid sweat.

Yet more proof that Meth and guns don't mix. ;)

TehK1w1
January 16, 2009, 08:18 PM
I've found that I have to wipe down some of my guns every time I handle them-even when previous owners never had any trouble.

ljnowell
January 16, 2009, 08:41 PM
OT, had another friend who could not wear a watch. it would stop with a couple of hours. I thought it was BS and tested him. I gave him a working watch ( a good one ) to wear, Three hours later we took a break from hunting and I'll be da** if the watch hadn't stopped. I sent it back to Seiko repair and they sent it back and said it couldn't be fixed, it had been magnetized , That was 40 years ago and I lost track of him, I wonder if he can use a computer with out killing it.
I know a guy just like that. He is around the right age, I wonder i its the same guy? There cant be that many. This guy wasnt german, short, red hair?

John828
January 16, 2009, 08:53 PM
Yeah, meth and guns certainly don't mix, and yes, some people emit different levels of pH emissions. That being said, go make harmonious love in this apartment. If she allows you to wipe down your gun when you disrobe, you might think about making an honest woman out of her.

Just put your carry piece under the bed, under a wash cloth or small towel and forget about it. You'll be fine.

I want to add a few other pointers, but they ain't highroad.

Old Guy
January 17, 2009, 01:30 PM
Rust? What is rust! At a IDPA Match, raining cats and dogs, Glock 19 in holster, this one is the green one, match gun, stick it in wilderness pouch, then home put it in safe, next month! gun out of pouch, into holster, shoot match.

No rust? Buy a glock, sweat on it, shoot it, carry it, even the magazine on the belt in the tropics of Florida, wet every day! No rust.

So, end of rust question.

Macmac
January 17, 2009, 02:39 PM
I an 57 live in NH right next to Vt, and have older than I am guns, from with in my family used to hunt ducks over salt water, and not one has a speck of rust. There is this magical liquid called oil, which prevents guns even old ones from getting any rust what so ever.

Why even a red hair person can handle a gun like this and not make a spot of rist, but if it is red haired people they must wipe off their finger prints with a well oil rag very quickly.

I have been know to forge a blade or two, and am brown haired and have past to be handled blades as I have made many times and the only ones there were handled by red haired people were the ones to rust more quickely than any others.

I also make many items in sterling silver and when red haired people buy these I have found that as fast as the next day the silver will trun black where it makes skin contact. Some red haired people have this acid skin more than others, and one man I made a pair of trade siver braclets for claimed he was getting shocked...

At the time i thought he was more than full of beans and he broght the braclets back with in 2 days, and these bracletes were damaged, more than etched and had been pitted where the inder side made body contact with his skin!

I was amazed, and re-buffed the braclets inside and out and misted them in clear laquer for him, since he wanted to keep them anyway.

All any one has to do is wipe down any guns after finger contact with a rag and then don't over handle the piece...

I also once worked as a gun store clerk where many guns in a single day were handled. Acid skin is a heck of a lot worse on a gun than any weather is.

The trick was to wipe down every single gun shortly after it had been handled. Even stainless steel the types used in many guns will rust if given a long enough time with no oils...

The only gun I own that had any rust, or did I bought that way. It just happens to be a mod 90 beretta in .32 acp. There is some pitting on the slide, but there is no more than from the day i bought it.

Most certainly nearly no gun is good condition cared for will rust with in months of use. More over a carried everyday gun will not rust just due to being in use.

This is one reason I cycle my carry guns each week. Each week another one rests after getting wiped down and another gets wiped down to be carried over a weeks time and then is wiped down again, for the 3rd gun.

Ohio Gun Guy
January 17, 2009, 03:39 PM
Is everyone here absolutely sure you wiped all of your guns down the last time you handled them? Did you drag your finger on it as you put it away? They could be sitting there rusting. Better go clean them to be sure.... Do it right this time!



I think some of you are obsessive compulsive. :evil:

chute2thrill
January 18, 2009, 01:13 AM
to the OP... definatly not on a Beretta as long as its properly maintained.. as far as some cheaper finishes go.. rust is inevitable it seems...
2 Examples... both Remington: first is my model 700 adl synthetic.. the finish is very durable.. but seems to be somewhat nonprotective against hand sweat.. parts where i touch the metal of the gun alot become rusty if i don't wipe them down before putting it away.. for the life of me i've tried to get the bolt knob rust free.. i've given up.. but.......
number 2 is my buddies 870 express that he uses during hunting season and thats about it... he cleans the barrel and wipes the gun down before putting it away everytime.. but everytime he pulls it out of the case every metal part of the gun is red... a quick wipedown and its brand new... anyways... my point is...
both Remingtons..
both cheap Remingtons...
both appear to have the same finishes...
the 700 is more rust resistant but... harder to get the rust off once its there,
the 870 is less rust resistant but.. the rust wipes right off with an oily rag...
whooof... maybe i just asked myself a question...

230RN
January 18, 2009, 03:21 AM
Even though I've been spoiled by the generally low humidity out here in Colorado, every gun and magazine I touch gets wiped down and put away by handling it only by the rag I wiped it with.

The only rust I have ever had in the high country was due to pure dumbility on my part... I got snow on a shotgun barrel and didn't realize it when I leaned it in a corner for a while and somehow forgot to wipe it and run a patch through it. Slight rusting on the muzzle end of the barrel. Came off with fine steel wool, but the area shows a lighter bluing now.

I used to live near a seacoast, where I once saw a war trophy Radom * with a forensic-quality fingerprint on the slide --it was not my gun.

[The humidity near Golden, Colorado is pretty high right now --22%. :) ]

Salt is your enemy, and if you live near a seacoast, the gun does not have to get wet to acquire salt on it.

Spray from ocean surf eventually evaporates, but it leaves tiny dust-like particles of salt drifting around, perhaps for miles inland. These tiny salt particles can settle on metal parts and cause corrosion.

I almost regard avoiding salt as if it were a bacteriological thing... if something's touched salt, then touches something else, I regard the "something else" as also being contaminated.

When the humidity gets above about 50%, the salt starts corrosion. Cf. Hatcher's Notebook chapter on "Gun Corrosion and Ammunition Developments."

The answer to your question of "how long" depends on several factors including how much exposure to what kind of corrosives there has been, and, of course, the humidity.

Terry, 230RN

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*
"'Radom' is also the popular unofficial name for a semiautomatic 9 mm Para pistol of Polish design (the Model 35/ViS-35) designed by Piotr Wilniewczyc and Jan Skrzypinski (hence the designation 'ViS'..."

CB900F
January 18, 2009, 10:12 AM
Fella's;

A question. Is Gork now making the barrels of their pistols out of plastic also? Just wondered since someone above seemed to be claiming that a Gick! won't rust. But it would seem to me that a steel barrel's interior would sorta kinda tend to be in the white ya know, what with all those moderately abrasive bullets & flame fronts passing (hopefully) through it. And, believe it or not, bare steel can rust. Except apparantly when placed in a Gack! pistol.

Just wondering. 900F

Cannonball888
January 18, 2009, 04:41 PM
She'll buff out



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cornman
January 18, 2009, 04:44 PM
Your are kidding? You are worried about 48hours? The amount of anal people who are gun lovers is staggering. I have guns that have not been oiled or cleaned in 40 years and are work fine. ;)

rcmodel
January 18, 2009, 04:46 PM
She'll buff out
Only if you use a Dremel tool with toothpaste & Mothers Mag Wheel polish, mixed with 1 tsp of bear grease, thinned with diesel fuel!

rc

moooose102
January 18, 2009, 06:49 PM
are you kidding me? i handle my KEL-TEC all the time, stuff it back into its holster in my pocket, and drag it out every night to put it under my pillow. in the morning, it goes back in my pocket holster. it is several weeks between a light oiled cloth hits it. if something was going to rust, this should be it!

solareclipse
January 18, 2009, 09:28 PM
It has always taken weeks/months for mine to catch any while in storage.

If you are carrying, it will only take a few hours if you are in a humid bathroom or the like.

jhco50
January 19, 2009, 02:09 AM
IF it is a humid area of the country, say SE Texas, overnight. Wipe on some of the modern auto wax, including the stock and inside the barrel and you will not have a bit of problem.

homebase.ning.com
January 19, 2009, 05:39 AM
Depends on where you live and what material.

If you live in a beach-house, and keep it outside, very soon.

If you live 500 miles away from the ocean in the desert (inside), more than 3 generations.

coloradokevin
January 19, 2009, 07:09 AM
Rust? What is rust! At a IDPA Match, raining cats and dogs, Glock 19 in holster, this one is the green one, match gun, stick it in wilderness pouch, then home put it in safe, next month! gun out of pouch, into holster, shoot match.

No rust? Buy a glock, sweat on it, shoot it, carry it, even the magazine on the belt in the tropics of Florida, wet every day! No rust.

So, end of rust question.

Kind of have to agree with that myself. I'm not trying to talk bad about any other guns --as I own a bunch-- but those Glocks sure don't corrode very easily.

I bought my first one (an earlier generation Glock 22) years ago for backpacking trips while living in a very wet part of the country. That poor gun endured days of rain without access to gun oil, and has never even shown a hint of corrosion.

I still have the gun, still backpack with the gun, and it still doesn't rust on me.

Glocks surely aren't the only guns like this, but they certainly have my vote as a good choice when corrosion resistance is of primary importance!

As for the exact question posed by the OP: I don't see it being a problem during that time frame. You aren't swimming with it, correct? If you are really worried, throw a small bottle of oil and a gun rag in a ziplock bag and call it a done deal!

Good luck!

deacon8
January 19, 2009, 07:35 AM
No, there won't be any rust on in that amount of time. When you get home, "wipe it down." The gun will be fine...if they rusted that easy, most of them would be dust by now.

benEzra
January 19, 2009, 11:13 AM
A question. Is Gork now making the barrels of their pistols out of plastic also? Just wondered since someone above seemed to be claiming that a Gick! won't rust. But it would seem to me that a steel barrel's interior would sorta kinda tend to be in the white ya know, what with all those moderately abrasive bullets & flame fronts passing (hopefully) through it. And, believe it or not, bare steel can rust. Except apparantly when placed in a Gack! pistol.
The barrel of a Glock (and some Walthers and Steyrs) is treated with a carbon nitride process inside and out, which makes it more corrosion resistant than hard chroming.

From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenifer

The Tenifer finish on a Glock is the third and final hardening process. It is 0.05 millimeters thick and produces a 64 Rockwell C (diamond cone) hardness rating via a 500 C nitride bath. The final matte, non-glare finish meets or exceeds stainless steel specifications, is 85% more corrosion resistant than a hard chrome finish, and is 99.9% salt-water corrosion resistant.

Here's a description of the carbon nitriding process, for those interested:

http://www.keighleylabs.co.uk/tufftride.html

expvideo
January 19, 2009, 11:21 AM
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Ok lets say i hate rust on guns, lets say i may be staying over at someones apartment tonight in an area that id feel like having my one and only CCW on me, i dont generally carry and im quite paranoid when it comes to rust and stuff like that on my guns, if i handle my beretta to load a magazine then put the thing in my pocket for sayyy 48 hours, (id like to point out this apartment is quite humid for the most part 24/7) then come home, will there be rust / corrosion forming on it?

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!

Really? Just out of curiousity, is your name Monk?

Or to put it a little more nicely, no. Your gun will not rust in 48 hours from being in your pocket.

This is the funniest thing I've read today.

PILMAN
January 21, 2009, 04:00 PM
I haven't had any problems with rust though I always wipe them down. I use Eezox which is heavier than water and just coat the guns, lasts for about 6 months and works great. I've touched guns and left fingerprints on them and there's no rust on them. The only gun I have that has some rust is my Galil which was built from a parts kit but it was rusted when I got it in certain areas like the sights. Sometimes I get some discoloration from oily finger prints but usually it rubs out with a rag.

Oh and +1 about people with red hair rusting guns lol.

Animal Mother
January 21, 2009, 05:41 PM
Oh and +1 about people with red hair rusting guns lol.

Is there any truth to this thing about red haired people having such a different body chemistry? Seems like an old wives tale or something, but I've heard of much stranger things. It sounds like a great science experiment for my nephews...

TehK1w1
January 21, 2009, 06:04 PM
Is everyone here absolutely sure you wiped all of your guns down the last time you handled them? Did you drag your finger on it as you put it away? They could be sitting there rusting. Better go clean them to be sure.... Do it right this time!

I think some of you are obsessive compulsive.

I have several guns that Will rust without fail in less than 48 hours, if I were to accidentally make any kind of skin contact and not wipe it down afterwards. Strangely enough, the blueing looks perfect.

NC-Mike
January 21, 2009, 07:45 PM
I left a shotgun, a lever-action rifle and 4 pistols in a safe for 8 years. Never opened it once. When I did, there was not a spec of rust on any of them.

Macmac
January 21, 2009, 08:20 PM
Quote:
Oh and +1 about people with red hair rusting guns lol.

Is there any truth to this thing about red haired people having such a different body chemistry? Seems like an old wives tale or something, but I've heard of much stranger things. It sounds like a great science experiment for my nephews...


Animal Mother if you have the heathen red hair children around try it. Just don't use a gun or a good knife. I reccomend taking a worn out file, and hitting it with a grinder to knock off the file teeth and polish a section with some course sand paper on a power wheel to sort of smooth the surface.

Wash it with rubbing alcohol or barke kleen, which is a bit more costly.

Get the kids after play time and before they wash their hands, and have them handle you 'piece'. Then set it aside for as ling as you please. In a humid envrioment say 60% with in 12 hours you should have etched finger prints you can't remove with steel wool.

I had heard this, and didn't believe, but a ruined short sword I made, cause me to become a believer.

It was after that when I made 2 silver braclets for a red haird man that I got another surprise. He called saying he was being shocked! He came back with in about 24 hours time and the tarnish on the underside of these braclets brand new the day before were black! There was pitting too!

Old Guy
January 22, 2009, 08:20 AM
I [QUOTE][/I used to live near a seacoast, where I once saw a war trophy Radom * with a forensic-quality fingerprint on the slide --it was not my gun.
QUOTE]

Many years ago a gun came into the gun club, found under a bed after the old guy (who owned the house) died it was a radom, unloaded, but rusted closed.

It sat in a pail of kerosene for a while (2 months?) then was taken in to little bits, degreased, assembled, with a light coat of oil! Fired! last I heard it worked fine, heavy as a boat anchor though.

regal
January 22, 2009, 01:22 PM
My doctor has me on 2000 mg of vitamin C per day for my kidneys. If I touch a blued gun it will rust in 24 hrs. Even if I wipe it down with remoil immediately after touching , the blueing stains brown the next day. The only way I can keep a blued gun from rusting is if I clean where I touch with solvent then wipe down with oil.

Needless to say I don't mess with blued guns, in my mind they are junk. I know that blueing is fine for most but not me.

Macmac
January 22, 2009, 08:24 PM
regal , What color is your hair?

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