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zombienerd
January 17, 2009, 03:10 PM
While searching local listings on Gunbroker, I came across this ad...

I really feel for this guy... Almost shed a tear.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=120506079

Maybe we should take up a collection for this fellow? Not sure how to go about this... (Edit, after reading linked story, this happened in 2003, so donations would probably be a little late here :) )

On a side note.. I won't be buying a Sentry Fireproof Gun safe.

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kermit315
January 17, 2009, 03:56 PM
I wouldnt donate a penny to him after his comments at the end of the auction regarding CA sales. As usual, another GB seller that has no idea whatsoever is going on in CA, just spouting off at the keyboard.

JImbothefiveth
January 17, 2009, 04:49 PM
He said this:
No California sales - don't blame me, blame your elected "leaders".
I don't see what's wrong with that. He's just explaining why he won't sell to people in that state which is pretty much held hostage by the left.

Golden Hound
January 17, 2009, 04:53 PM
The guy's house burn down, his pets were killed, his family was hurt, and he lost all of his stuff.

And you're upset because he doesn't want to sell to a state with the most insane anti-gun laws in the country? That's common practice for Gunbroker sellers. They're just covering their own ass and I would do the same.

The guy definitely has my sympathy.

kermit315
January 17, 2009, 05:01 PM
I am tired of the "Its California gun owners that let California get the way it is" crowd. numbers are numbers, and the reason things are the way they are here is the same reason Chicago has a gun ban, when the rest of the state of Illinois doesnt: population density in major metropolitan areas. They tend to be liberal/gun hating, or at the very least indifferent, and wishing to vote with the "majority".

People choosing not to sell to California are not part of the solution to what is going on here, and you know the old saying: If your not part of the solution, .....

I think we all know how the rest of that goes.

All refusing to sell to California does is give the anti's exactly what they want....fewer guns in California.

NELSONs02
January 17, 2009, 05:05 PM
That is truly heartbreaking........... and how you guys managed to turn this thread into an argument is beyond me :(

JWarren
January 17, 2009, 05:21 PM
Sorry Kermit, but I feel the same way-- no, I don't blame CA gun owners, but I do blame CA for its own problems-- just like I do Chicago for theirs.

Living anywhere is a question of what it is worth to you. I moved to a place where I can't even get high-speed internet without a satellite dish because of my values. That's a choice-- just like where other people live.

But the thing is I won't sell to CA, either. Your desire for firearms is not as important to me than worrying if I am going to be dragged into court over selling them to you. And in CA, you just don't know...

After all, it is a CA court that ruled that a victim in an accident can sue a good Samaritan that is trying to SAVE THEM for damages only a couple weeks ago!

Links if you don't believe me...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081218/ap_on_re_us/samaritan_protection

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/18/state/n134850S58.DTL&hw=supreme+court&sn=002&sc=964

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6498405&page=1

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Dec18/0,4670,SamaritanProtection,00.html




Yeah, I really want to expose myself to THAT legal system...



Right now, I just want to feel sorry for the guy.


-- John

Vern Humphrey
January 17, 2009, 05:28 PM
I am tired of the "Its California gun owners that let California get the way it is" crowd.
A wise man said, "People by and large get the government they deserve."

notorious
January 17, 2009, 05:40 PM
As soon as I am financially able to do so, I am getting out of Kalifornistan too.

Blakenzy
January 17, 2009, 05:41 PM
and how you guys managed to turn this thread into an argument is beyond me

LOL...

Walkalong
January 17, 2009, 05:42 PM
Sorry Kermit, but I feel the same way-- no, I don't blame CA gun owners, but I do blame CA for its own problems-- just like I do Chicago for theirs.
A wise man said, "People by and large get the government they deserve."

Yep.....

notorious
January 17, 2009, 05:44 PM
The problem with CA is that the same politicians get voted in year after year so who's to blame other than the electorate who keep putting the same people in office?

Officers'Wife
January 17, 2009, 05:58 PM
. If you live in a blue state where your political leaders don't trust you to own one of these, I suggest you go out and vote rather than bidding on an "illegal" item. No California sales - don't blame me, blame your elected "leaders"

Kind of sounds to me like he is trying to stay within what he believes to be the law. It would appear the main complaint is he is not being 'politically correct.' Personally I would rather shy about selling any kind of weapon, including a hunting knife or a sword, via FFL to any state save Indiana or Kentucky. And I'd have second thoughts about Indiana.

kermit315
January 17, 2009, 06:23 PM
have you ever looked and one of the district maps? that would be the answer to your question. Tell me, did you vote in the last election notorius, because if so, you are blaming yourself for what has happened here.

My response to this thread was the OP saying we should take up a collection for this guy. I said I wont give him a dime, because if he wont sell to california, then I wont help him with california money.

Everybody says gun owners should stick together and help each other out, because divided we fall. I guess they only mean that if it doesnt include the people that live in California. Seems hypocritical to me.

ETA: I am not a California resident, I cant vote here and dont pay taxes here. I am stationed here, so, I dont have that choice of moving like everybody else has. I have recieved orders to Florida for shore duty, but I will still help the people and friends I have made in California, because even though they are outnumbered by gun grabbers, I dont believe in cut and run.

Kat144
January 17, 2009, 06:46 PM
The guy's house burn down, his pets were killed, his family was hurt, and he lost all of his stuff.

Wait, where does he say this? All I saw was that the gun collection was lost and he got some burns. It must be in the news story he linked to.

Strange to me that the two most painful things he mentions are his own injuries and the loss of the guns, in that case...

wilson
January 17, 2009, 06:48 PM
Ok if you bought the gun would it still be safe to shoot after you cleaned it and reblued it.:confused:

kermit315
January 17, 2009, 06:52 PM
sure, it'll buff right out.;)

Ditto_95
January 17, 2009, 07:06 PM
If you live in California and can't get the weapon of your choice, Tough!
Get out and do something. If your voice isn't heard then you aren't screaming loud enough.

Anyone from California that whines about the lack of (chose your complaint) should get out and make yourself heard by writing, calling or visiting your rep.

kermit315
January 17, 2009, 08:03 PM
yeah, because getting out will accomplish sooooo much. I guess you are all the same people that elected BHO, because you all know, we get the government we deserve, right?

Like I said, I dont cut and run. I am getting stationed somewhere else, but that is needs of the Navy. I will probably be back in California after shore duty, right where I am now.

There have been many recent changes in California for the better, at the behest of the government and DOJ. Anybody that says gun owners in California arent doing anything to help themselves, obviously has no idea about what the situation really is here. A private person that doesnt want to sell to California is either lazy or uninformed, because it is no different than selling to a resident of any other state in the United States. This all started in protest to the CFLC, which doesnt effect people that dont have licenses. It is a 2 minute online check of the California FFL's status that only has to be performed by other FFL's.

Anyway, this thread has nothing to do with this. It is about a guy who had his house burnt down in 2003 and the safe he had his guns in didnt hold up. That sucks, and I am sorry he was injured, but I stand by what I said, I wouldnt donate a penny to him. He chose in 2009 to post that add, and if he was really hurting for the money, I doubt he would refuse to sell to anybody.

Duke of Doubt
January 17, 2009, 08:07 PM
For the poster who asked, the remnant pictured most likely cannot be made into a safe weapon. The steel is likely softened, the barrel is likely warped, and the small parts likely are oxidized beyond restoration.

Not sure why he's trying to sell it, other than as a $5 paperweight.

JWarren
January 17, 2009, 08:12 PM
A private person that doesnt want to sell to California is either lazy or uninformed, because it is no different than selling to a resident of any other state in the United States.


Or a person that doesn't want to expose himself to frivolous lawsuits that will have venue in California.

Exactly why is it MY responsibility to research CA laws for the sale?

And what if I am wrong? I am, after all, not a lawyer.


And there IS differences in selling to CA verses another state. I have had 30 round magazines for my AR's sent directly to my house by the manufacturer. When is the last time a CA resident has said THAT?


I don't have to like it, and neither do you. But you need to point your anger or frustration as someone other than those of us who are not willing to expose ourselves to your liability.

I don't have bottomless pockets. I am not about to spend what I have defending myself.

I also don't see firearms to genuine idiots-- even without criminal records. You never know when that guy is going to decide to start his. I sell through FFLs to break the chain of custody-- and liability.

You need to worry about the fact that the condition exists-- not that others are not willing to take risks with thier families' futures on the behalf of strangers in a state 1,000 miles away.





-- John

Ohio Gun Guy
January 17, 2009, 08:15 PM
Safe to shoot....
I highly doubt it. I wouldnt. I am in construction with and Engineering Degree (Not a P.E.) and that gun was effectively tempered and you dont know the degree. It would make the steel brittle. I think it and its parts should be scrapped.

Shouldnt his homeowners policy cover that? (Assuming he had insurance). If so, he's selling it why????:scrutiny:

kermit315
January 17, 2009, 08:18 PM
What is to stop you from being sued by somebody in Florida, Michigan, Iowa, Washington, Georgia, etc. Nothing. anybody can be sued by anybody, at any time for anything.

But you are completely right, you should cut off California just because they cant get standard capacity mags....thats the answer. Good call.

Oh, and it is not against the law to have standard capacity mags in California. Many people have them. Guess what, they are allowed to buy each and every piece needed to repair those mags also. So, I would say it is more common than you think that people have mag kits shipped to their own homes in California.

ETA: I am done with this thread. You all can not sell to California all you want. I am tired of the thread drift here, and I am not trying to take anything away from the OP. I stated my reasons not to donate a penny to this guy. You guys dont like it. Oh well, its my opinion and not yours.

If anybody wants to continue this, and you want to start a new thread, I will continue it there with you. But I am tired of this thread drifting away from what the OP was trying to do.

Ohio Gun Guy
January 17, 2009, 08:26 PM
I think the problem of The Republic of California is that they have much more stringent and much different laws than the rest of the country. Most other states have versions of the same laws, follow the same concepts. Therefore, with some research you can become somewhat familiar with what is generally allowed in these states....Not necessarily have to know each states law, but basically know what is allowed in general and to know what items to be carefull with. Then there is California. It seems to the rest of us the laws are very different and worse yet, almost designed to snare people. If I sold guns & Gun related things online, I would also likely not sell to California. I would likely not chose to live there for the same reason.

I dont mean any offense by this, and don't look down on those who have to deal with it, I would just choose not to, Unless I absolutely had to. (Risk vs reward).

JWarren
January 17, 2009, 08:31 PM
What is to stop you from being sued by somebody in Florida, Michigan, Iowa, Washington, Georgia, etc. Nothing. anybody can be sued by anybody, at any time for anything.


True.... but rulings like the "Good Samaritan" ruling that I linked in post #7 make it crystal clear that I have NO desire to expose myself to your laws. And I especially don't want to expose myself to them over such a CA hot-button issue as firearms.


We didn't create this condition. CA did. Your venom is sorely misdirected.


I also would likely not risk getting an HIV-infected person's blood all over me, either. It may not be the fault or carelessness of the person that they have HIV.

And that does not alter the reality that I have MORE responsiblity to my family and to my spouse not to expose THEM to HIV through me.

CA is infected with its legal system. I have more responsiblity to my family's future than to expose myself to that legal disease through you.

I can understand your frustration, and sadly it is not relevent to the decision making process of a responsible person.


-- John

kermit315
January 17, 2009, 08:34 PM
I am not posting in this thread after this. There is another thread going, we can take it over there.

Link (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=420922)

expvideo
January 17, 2009, 08:38 PM
To all of you bickering about the California comments, thank you for ruining a productive discussion.

For the poster who asked, the remnant pictured most likely cannot be made into a safe weapon. The steel is likely softened, the barrel is likely warped, and the small parts likely are oxidized beyond restoration.

Not sure why he's trying to sell it, other than as a $5 paperweight.

I think that this is his way of asking the gun community for help and charity. I don't think he really feels that it is worth $100. I think that he is hoping that someone would be willing to give him a hand financially, and in exchange they can have something to show for it, so they can feel good about helping someone.

notorious
January 17, 2009, 10:40 PM
Kermit... I voted last election so it's my fault? I don't get it. I was outvoted by the vast liberal majority here in CA and the liberal electoral college wouldn't go Republican anyway.

kermit315
January 17, 2009, 10:49 PM
Thats exactly my point. We all vote for good gun laws, but we are outnumbered. People outside of California dont see this and drop the blame on "California gun owners".

No disrespect inteded notorius, I just needed to illustrate my point.

Click the link in the in my post above, there is a whole other thread going on about this so we stay out of this thread.

Art Eatman
January 18, 2009, 01:16 AM
A 2003 event, and six years later the guy's still moaning?

And 90% of the posts are political.

Nighty-bye.

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