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psyprofessor
January 17, 2009, 06:04 PM
Gentlemen,

Need your words of wisdom...

1. Does anyone know what modifications were made when Ruger made the recall? Is there now an internal safety and how does it work (please explain for those of us who are not mechanically inclined)?

2. Is the second generation LCP now considered "drop safe"? (I realize that Ruger in their official website still consider any gun with a bullet in the tube to have the possibility of a discharge when dropped.) Is the second generation LCP truly "drop safe" and the website comment just for the sake of the lawsuits....or are they still dangerous when dropped?

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orchidhunter
January 17, 2009, 06:17 PM
I would not give much weight to what Ruger says. They are not going to tell folks what they did in there recall, they will give you a mag and cap and say your are good to go. orchidhunter

RUT
January 17, 2009, 06:50 PM
>>Is the second generation LCP truly "drop safe"<<

Considering that was what the recall was all about, I'd have to say yes. As for what they actually did to achieve this, I really don't give a hoot. (the free mag more than made up for the week I was without it.) :)

jocko
January 17, 2009, 07:21 PM
yes they are drop safety. The changed the hammer block which by the way is now exactly like the hammer block change that kel tec recently made and is calling it a short stroke modification, so they IMO are shying away from calling thier change a drop safe change for they then would have to have a recall and they won't do that..

I think Ruger also installed a titanium firing pin and a little stronger firing pin spring. all three of these combinatiosn sure surely guarantee drop safety.

Fear not, shoot it like u stole it..

Newton
January 18, 2009, 12:32 AM
Well I delivered my LCP back to them in person, and was told that there have been 3 documented instances of dropped LCPs firing.

You'd have to be crazy to carry a weapon that is known to be unsafe.

When it goes off under your chin, you'll be wishing you'd listened to the manufacturer.

RUT
January 18, 2009, 12:39 AM
>>and was told that there have been 3 documented instances of dropped LCPs firing.<<

Before or after the "fix"??

CPshooter
January 18, 2009, 04:29 AM
Before or after the "fix"??Before.

This is what came back with my LCP from the recall retrofitting and any information below is basically the extent of what Ruger is going to tell us:

An extra magazine with a pinky extension and a cheesy baseball cap that says, "the RUGER LCP." LOL!

It also came with a thin paper strip that had the following memo on it:

"We have run into a supply issue with one of our vendors and are currently getting another vendor on line to boost the supply of a key part. We should have this issue resolved in the next few days. We do apologize for the delay in the return of your LCP."

Then there is the official letter that came with the package as well. It reads the following:

"Dear LCP Owner,

I want to thank you for your purchase of a Ruger LCP pistol and apologize for the inconvenience caused by the recent recall. We appreciate your patience and hope that you will find the wait worthwhile. Not only have we addressed the original issue but, as you handle and shoot your LCP pistol, you may notice other improvements as well.

Over the course of building and shipping many thousands of LCP pistols - and getting great feedback from active LCP pistol users - we made a number of running changes to continuously improve the LCP pistol. When we received your LCP pistol back for the free safety up-grade, we not only installed a new hammer mechanism, but also incorporated other available changes to further improve your LCP.

It is likely the only one you will be able to see is the new manual slide hold-open (assuming you did not have it already), but other, more subtle improvements have been incorporated too, and these should make your LCP even more rugged and reliable in the best Ruger tradition.

Enclosed you will find an extra LCP magazine as promised in our recall notice. This new magazine has our new, very popular finger-extension floorplate, which makes it even easier to have a firm grip on your LCP. We recognize the inconvenience a recall creates so, as an additional small token of our appreciation, we have also included an LCP cap.

Once again, thank you for your patience and I hope you will consider Ruger's extensive product line when you plan your next firearm purchase.

Sincerely,

Michael O. Fifer
President and CEO
Ruger Firearms
"

Mad Magyar
January 18, 2009, 08:28 AM
This new magazine has our new, very popular finger-extension floorplate, which makes it even easier to have a firm grip on your LCP.
From my one time experience firing this pistol, this was sorely needed. I implied in an other response that this pistol certainly would fit the "ladies"; kind of like what S&W did with the LadySmith....Not trying to emasculate any males who purchased one, just an observation.
My personal feeling is that there is a point of miniaturization, a.k.a "sleek, lght wght, snag-free, etc.) where diminishing returns set in; in this case the grip...:)

Tirod
January 18, 2009, 11:14 AM
No doubt, for those who have beefy hands from holding that empty sack of potato chips while watching another stick and ball game on TV, the Ruger may be a little short in the grip. :evil:

Not being supersized in the last twenty years, I find the grip just fine for what it's meant to be - a truly small concealable pistol. Sights work fine, too. It's not a range gun - it's a nice small carry piece, just the same as a Rohrbaugh. Nobody complains they're too short. Probably because when they plunk down $1K, they understand what's up.

As for an LCP going off, they were all dropped - and a Colt SAA or 1911 will, too. Those historically documented unsafe guns have been languishing on dealers shelves due to the much higher likelihood of discharge. The 1911 replacement was specifically required to incorporate additional internal safeties because it would go off. So, now we are all safer.

Since all those SAA's and 1911's are proven capable of shooting the owner in the chin, I will gladly accept them to relieve them of continuing to demostrate a complete lack of concern for their own welfare. Just PM me, I'll give you the address to ship. They are better locked up in my care than in the hands of the mass of incompetents who can't hang on to the grip or won't use a retention holster in the restroom.

If it saves the purpose of one porcelain receptacle at your favorite fast food joint, it's worth it. It's time for change, yes, we can! make our country safe!

RUT
January 18, 2009, 12:31 PM
>>Before or after the "fix"??

Before.<<

Well, since I've already had mine "fixed" it's a moot point. :)

Newton
January 18, 2009, 02:05 PM
The 3 discharges were all before the fix.

The victims were:

1. Refrigerator
2. TV (yeah I know...)
3. A bed/french windows

For those who decide they don't want the fix, good luck with all that.

stalkingbear
January 18, 2009, 06:39 PM
I'd sure like to see the documentation where Tirod CLAIMS an 1911 will go off when dropped if in the proper method of being cocked & locked (condition 1). It's simply not possible.

OleCodger
January 18, 2009, 08:18 PM
You are the man!!!!!!!!! :d

elvmal
October 23, 2009, 11:49 PM
I dropped the lcp today and i watched it fall in slowmo..:eek: It landed butt down and barrel pointed directly at me. It's safe to say that the the firing pin safety worked..

rhartwell
October 24, 2009, 11:19 PM
these guys tested it from about a 7 foot drop. No bullet or powder. the primer was dented but it was never set off. I think that will be good. I trust mine. Opps I mean the wifes. She took it from me. Oh well I can always get another one.

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