IND: Stricter rules on gun purchases take effect next week


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WAGCEVP
September 27, 2003, 10:12 PM
Stricter rules on gun purchases take effect next week


The Associated Press
September 25, 2003 12:58 PM


INDIANAPOLIS -- Federal background checks will be required for every buyer of a handgun in Indiana under new rules that take effect next week.

The changes will alter a decade-old practice in which handgun owners faced a federal check only when renewing a state permit to carry a gun. Those permits must be renewed every four years.

Indiana State Police say the stricter rules, which will take effect Wednesday, will keep the state in compliance with the 1994 Brady Law and new federal laws that limit handgun purchases to U.S. citizens and legal immigrants.

"It's possible for the state to approve somebody by state laws that won't be eligible (to buy a gun) by federal laws," Paul Simmerman, owner of Albro Guns on the city's southeast side, told The Indianapolis Star.

But some gun dealers say the rules are flawed and require more steps for the same effect. The background check requirement will add up to 20 minutes to transactions, and it applies to gun shops and to dealers who set up booths at gun shows.

Currently, state and federal background checks are not required if a customer shows a valid permit. Without a permit, one call to state police now takes care of both checks.

But under the new rules, dealers will have to call the FBI directly for every customer. And for those who lack a permit, dealers also will have to call police for the state check.

Last year, state and FBI background checks resulted in the rejection of 1.7 percent of 7.8 million prospective gun buyers nationally, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

According to state police, 16,608 checks initiated in Indiana resulted in 294 rejections. About 320,000 Hoosiers have permits to carry handguns.

Maj. Tony Sommer, a staff attorney for state police, said the new rules would ensure that Indiana gun buyers meet all federal guidelines. Currently, state police do not check immigration status for every purchase.

Federal rules are also stricter on sales of handguns to those against whom protective orders have been issued and those convicted of domestic violence.

"We are not in a position to enforce all these provisions, because they're not in state law," Sommer said.

A bill closing the gap between the state and federal rules _ and keeping gun permits as a substitute for checks _ passed the state Senate but died in the House this year. Its sponsor, Sen. Richard Bray, R-Martinsville, said he might reintroduce it.

The new rules will still allow purchases every day of the week.

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El Tejon
September 28, 2003, 10:46 AM
Yawn. No change in "the rules.":rolleyes: Geez.

Tried to get this taken care of ahead of time. Let's hope Senator Bray gets this cleared up next session.:cool:

QuickDraw
September 28, 2003, 12:27 PM
"Those crazy Californians.Why would anybody want to live there.
Why,I would never put up with that kind of crap."
:neener:
Bwwwwaaaaaaahahahahahahah!:D

QuickDraw

El Tejon
September 28, 2003, 12:36 PM
Quick, very funny.:D

This changes nothing. May be a few minute wait at the gun show in Indy in late October. Gives me more time to buy ammo.:neener:

glocksman
September 28, 2003, 01:20 PM
"Those crazy Californians.Why would anybody want to live there.

State AWB? What's that?
Now just how easy is it to get a CCW in Cali? :confused: :neener:

hansolo
September 28, 2003, 01:29 PM
...this may add up to 20 minutes to the (gun buying)process....

What a bummer! We have to wait 10 days here in California. :banghead:

dance varmint
September 28, 2003, 02:22 PM
Got my latest purchase in under the wire!

Coincidentally, it appears that a mentally ill man shot and killed 4 relatives and then himself in Garydishu the other day. Would this change have likely affected that event? No.

El Tejon
September 28, 2003, 02:31 PM
Garydishu!!! That is outstanding, Dance!:D

QuickDraw
September 28, 2003, 03:09 PM
Now just how easy is it to get a CCW in Cali?

Well,depeding on where you live.Here in the Third Reich..Ahh,bay area,
impossible.
Up North,ask and you shall receive!
I'm thinking of taking up (ahem)"residence" up North.
As someone in the occupied zone,take my advice.Stop this
progressive grab now,or you'll be soorrryyyy.......:D


QuickDraw

El Tejon
September 28, 2003, 04:03 PM
Quick, you're right, but I feel sooo conflicted in asking the government to do something for me. I guess I shouldn't as it involves a fundamental right, but when you are used to pulling the wagon for others, it strikes one as strange.

Tamara
September 29, 2003, 08:04 AM
Wonder if Georgia still gives you a pass if you have a toter's permit? I oughtta call back home and check...

Captain Bligh
September 29, 2003, 10:47 PM
Bought a G-19 last week, my first foray into ugly plastic guns. While I was standing there filling out the paper work I had the thought that this might be the last time it would be this easy and fast.

RJ

El Tejon
September 29, 2003, 11:20 PM
Cap'n, well until the session begins and we get the right funding for ISP.

Arrrr, matey, quit shivering yer timbers like a wee landlubber, arrrr. We'll best those rascals yet, arrrr. Squawk, Polly want a funding bill, squawk.

Kcustom45
September 30, 2003, 01:44 PM
I was talking to someone over the weekend and he said that one of the gun stores he visits had a sign up saying that they were going to pass the the $3 fee for calling the state(?). Anybody else hear something about this?

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