Buying a gun from a dead guy


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Min
September 28, 2003, 01:18 AM
Hmm, is this an advantage? Especially if it's face-to-face with no paperwork.

What I meant by buying a gun from a dead guy is buying from an estate of someone who recently passed away.

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Balog
September 28, 2003, 01:19 AM
What in the world are you talking about? Estate sales?

Edit: Ah, question asked, question answered.

Min
September 28, 2003, 01:20 AM
Something like that. Family liquidates deceased's firearms collection.

10-Ring
September 28, 2003, 01:22 AM
In CA, you still have to go through an FFL, do the paperwork & pay the fees & go through the 10 day wait :( Initially I would think the only advantage might be picking something at a great price

Balog
September 28, 2003, 01:24 AM
In CA, you still have to go through an FFL, do the paperwork & pay the fees & go through the 10 day wait Initially I would think the only advantage might be picking something at a great price



Really? I've always assumed it would be like any other personal transaction. What are the rules in PRK regarding one private citizen selling to another?

Min
September 28, 2003, 01:25 AM
If you were of a sinister bent, you could use it as a throw-down gun.

But even if not, you would have a gun that is as clean and traceless as you can get. (Provided the seller never got your name).

Archie
September 28, 2003, 03:43 AM
Since in many Democratic controlled precincts dead guys can vote.

Orthonym
September 28, 2003, 04:22 AM
It's even better to have the poor dead guy's widow be so horrified by those nasty guns that she gives them away, free, gratis, and fr'nuthin, to the first halfway responsible-looking guy who shows up. I cannot speak about this from my own first-hand knowledge, but if anyone finds himself in this situation I urge him to get a bill of sale with the piece, (One Dollar and other considerations- Snork!) - or at least a Deed of Gift.

Min
September 28, 2003, 06:38 AM
One dollar and other considerations. LOL!

Red Label
September 28, 2003, 07:26 AM
I had an older neighbor lady give me all of her husbands guns but it was because she didn't want her nephew, the sole heir, to get them. She said he would just sell them for beer and she knew that I would appreciate them.:D Six all together. Three of them are old Winchester shotguns.

feedthehogs
September 28, 2003, 08:20 AM
A warning.

Don't take advantage of a grieving widow or family to "steal" a gun away.
Pay a fair, but reasonable price. If the representative of the estate doesn't know the value and you do, its your moral responsibility to tell them.

My local gun dealer who is honest as the day is long told me of a story of a widow who came into his store a few years back looking to sell her husbands guns. She didn't pay much attention to it over the years because he provided for her and enjoyed his collection very much.
She had a list and had been to another store which offered 10 grand for the collection.
After taking a look at the list, he realized the collection of vintage Winchester leverguns, colt SAA's some class 3 and other stuff was worth more than he could handle and put her in contact with an auction house.

The collection ended up fetching high into the 6 figures which allowed the widow to retire comfortably and provide for her kids and grand kids.

By the way, the owner of the first store she visited was diagnosed with cancer shortly afterwards. He is still lingering on today with many complications. He is dying a slow miserable death.

I know of many unfortunate circumstances that widows sell items after a death and are taken advantage of.
Theres a special place in the afterlife for rats like that.

ojibweindian
September 28, 2003, 11:50 AM
feedthehogs

I know this is completely off-topic, but I love your sig line.

Detritus
September 28, 2003, 03:28 PM
Don't take advantage of a grieving widow or family to "steal" a gun away. Pay a fair, but reasonable price. If the representative of the estate doesn't know the value and you do, its your moral responsibility to tell them.

i cna speak as a member (albeit through marriage, and the incident took place before i met my wife, even so..) that got a shafting through the above method.
the following is as reported by my wife

right after my father-in-law passed (he's still FIL, even if he WAS dead when i married my wife), my mother-in-law offered all of his handguns (including one very well cared for Nickled S&W 44mag and a hand tooled leather holster and gunbelt for it), to a family "friend", simply asking for a fair price. he's looks them over and says, "well, i don't know. maybe $35" knowing nothing of the worth of such things (heck the leatherwork for the S&W was worth THAT much) she took the money and walked away.

since i never actually got to take a look at the guns, i do not know what their reasonable worth was, nor even what models etc. but i DO know that $35 dollars for 4 handguns and a quality hand-tooled gunbelt adn holster is robbery!!

Mauserlady
September 28, 2003, 06:11 PM
Really? I've always assumed it would be like any other personal transaction. What are the rules in PRK regarding one private citizen selling to another?

Must go through FFL, pay fees and must do the 10 day wait. A parent can give to a child and a child can give to a parent without all that but everyone else must follow the above...

Topgun
September 28, 2003, 06:30 PM
there will be a line of vultures a mile long before he gets to room temperature.

Dispose of your guns while you're alive if you GAS for your heirs.

If you've always secretly despised your wife and heirs, have an estate sale.



Gun buyers with widows.......:barf:

Tim Burke
September 28, 2003, 08:32 PM
Usually I just pry it from his cold fingers...

Standing Wolf
September 28, 2003, 10:20 PM
Pay a fair, but reasonable price. If the representative of the estate doesn't know the value and you do, its your moral responsibility to tell them.

Amen. I doubt most of us need such a reminder, but there are still a few scoundrels lurking about.

rayra
September 28, 2003, 10:27 PM
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Really? I've always assumed it would be like any other personal transaction. What are the rules in PRK regarding one private citizen selling to another?
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Must go through FFL, pay fees and must do the 10 day wait. A parent can give to a child and a child can give to a parent without all that but everyone else must follow the above...


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AND Parent-Child or Grandparent-Child transfers must be reported to the CA DoJ within 30day, and the recipient must prior to the transfer hold a Basic Firearm Safety Certificate or one of its many substitutes.


CA Penal Code (PC) 12072(d) speaks to transfer of firearms where neither party to the transaction holds a dealer’s license.
PC 12078(c)(2) speaks to transfer of handguns between individuals of the same family
PC 12078(c)(2)(A) speaks to requirements to report the transaction to CA DOJ within 30 days
PC 12078(c)(2)(B) speaks to the requirement that the recipient must obtain a Basic Firearm Safety Certificate
PC 12800 speaks to the establishment and requirements of the Basic Firearm Safety Certificate

SteelyDan
September 29, 2003, 02:34 AM
Several years ago, I was on a family vacation and went for a drive. Saw a "Moving Sale" sign, and pulled into the long driveway to check it out. There was a 38-ish woman and a 10-ish son, and they were really sad. Apparently, husband/dad had just died and they had to move, thus the sale. In the corner of the garage were three rifles for sale, none of which I recognized, but they all looked liked sporterized military guns. For reasons that I can't explain (except that we were really broke at the time), I didn't even check them out. I bought a couple other things, but no guns. Sigh.

I thought, at least in Minnesota, you could legally do a person-to-person transfer with no paperwork required??

Sam Adams
September 29, 2003, 01:26 PM
I once saw an interesting theoretical discussion where someone opined about a great way to "get rid of" papered guns that you already own:

Place an ad in the paper to sell it, then tell anyone that calls that it has already been sold. A few weeks later, look in the obits and pick your "buyer," preferably some old vet who was more likely to own guns. Try to pick someone who was a widower, so no one gets in trouble if the Batf@#$ers decided to investigate. Make sure that you have a signed receipt for the "purchase."

Sounds interesting, though of course I can't say that I'd recommend to anyone that they undertake such actions. :D

mephisto
September 29, 2003, 04:55 PM
I bought a 2 .303 from a family that had lost their father. They were both in exceptional shape. They were also selling a M-1 and a Colt .45. They wanted 400 for the M-1 and 350 for the Colt, they were in great shape, I told them they could get more for them.

Orthonym
September 30, 2003, 03:24 AM
When I wrote "One Dollar and Other Considerations," I was talking about what was WRITTEN, not what was paid. :) As far as I know, that used to be the standard language in real estate contracts a hundred years ago or so, back before the IRS started minding everyone's business and it was still generally understood that private transactions were private transactions.:cuss:

Rickstir
September 30, 2003, 11:25 AM
Bound to be some stiff competition.:D

Labinnac
September 30, 2003, 03:04 PM
I initially thought this thread was about "looting" the corpse...

Different state of mind I guess...

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