[Min]

which modern handgun, long gun, and shotgun would you take with you?

FN 5.7?

S&W 500?

FN SLP?

AR-15?

other?

Don't worry about ammo, you'll have plenty - thousands of rounds supplied.

Make sure whatever gun you choose, that it will allow you to be the best gunfighter in that town. :D

[greenr18]

Well first of all I wouldn't. I'd go back to 1934, find who ever made the NFA and kick them in the shins then run like hell.

[Min]

Remember, the other fellers are sportin' SA six-shooters and lever-action rifles.

You have the technological advantage.

Think Arizona, New Mexico, Texas from 1870-1890.

(I'm watching "Appaloosa" now).

[shiftyer1]

How will any particular weapon make you the best gunfighter in town?

[Min]

Superior firepower? :rolleyes: :evil:

[shiftyer1]

If I have a bolt action and you have a full auto they are equally accurate but you can't hit the broad side af a barn I still win. Skill and experiance beat firepower everytime.

1. ruger blackhawk
2. sks or lever gun
2. 870 or 500

[zombienerd]

Hmm..

M-16 with 100rd Drum Mag...
Mac-10 Pistol
AA-12 Shotgun

I think I'd fire them all set to Semi Auto, but I'd like to know I have the most bullets available between reloads, in case the whole "Posse" shows up :)

On a side note, I'd probably also bring some ballistic protection :P Level 3 vest with Steel trauma plates, and either a Kevlar or 1.25" thick Lexan Bulletproof helmet.

[Kernel]

Handguns: 5" Colt Delta Elite in 10mm.... a matched pair, of course, with TRIJICON Doctor II+ reflex sites.
Rifle: 22" AR-10 in 325 WSM, flat top, w/some kind of 1x-6x night vision optics and Wilson Combat flip-up sites.
Shotgun: 20" 12 guage Bennelli M1 w/extended mag & Brockman Gen III peep sites.

[DocBoCook]

240G, .50 Barrett (for those long distance shots), The new Combat SHotty and a Matching set of 1941 government issued 1911's on my hips/thighs

[MikePGS]

Huh... M1A, S&W M&P full size in 9mm. Also some body armor.

[DocBoCook]

wait, can I change my answer to Styker APC with a M1 .50 on top?

[General Geoff]

If ammo supply is not a concern:

handgun: STI Perfect 10 (http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Perfect10/Perfect10.html) in 10mm Auto
Rifle: M21 built on an LRB receiver, US Optics SN-3 scope, and JAE-100 stock.
Shotgun: Mossberg 590.

[Thermactor]

Refer to the movie Army of Darkness for the answer.

[Duke of Doubt]

Smith & Wesson Model 29.

Worst comes to worse, you can feed blackpowder handloads through it. Barring that, you have a hand cannon that can down a horse.

[HammerBite]

I wouldn't take any modern gun with me. Who could fix them when they break?

[DocBoCook]

Take one that doesn't break. I think that is the point of the thread. What do you trust the most

[jibjab]

to the Old West
How old is that ?

[Boba Fett]

First I'd go to the future and pick up a few ray guns and then I'd go back to the old west and vaporize anyone who got in the way of my world domination!

BWAHAHAHA!!!! :evil:

[Big Bill]

I'd take a Browning BAR in .30-06 and a Glock 17 and a 12 Gage Benelli Super Black Eagle II.

[Kind of Blued]

I imagine firearm technology would be different in a world in which time machines are available.

[BHP FAN]

2 BHP's,Winchester Defender [all tricked out] and a Mini 14.

[woad_yurt]

I imagine firearm technology would be different in a world in which time machines are available.

Kind of Blued:
What does that mean?

[Shung]

a nice M-14 !

and as a handgun, a para ordonnance 14-45 !

[Treo]

I'd go to right outside of present day Abilene Kansas and build a feed lot and wait for them to start shipping cattle.

Then I'd take the proceeds and go buy some oil land in texas and wait for techology to catch up W/ me then I'd converty all my assests to gold and Leve them W/ lloyds of London with instructions to deliver them to me at the address I was living at in 1986 (the year I turned 21) then I'd come back and buy what ever gun I felt like.

Then I'd buy THR and Lock this thread:neener:

Seriously It would be kind of interesting to show up at the Alamo w/ a couple of SAWs

[shevrock]

I agree with blued. ALTHOUGH, if i say fell through a rift in the time space continuum while carrying a full loadout. i would want

Ak-47 9(short barrel, maybe a 74 instead) simply because if a kid in [random country] can repair it with a hammer and broken toothbrush, it can stand to west.

for a pistol i really don't know, never really handled them, so i'd go for something simple like a glock [###?]

Shotgun is an easy choice. Mossberg 500 without a doubt. 12 guage power and amazingly low recoil with heavy loads [at least in mine].

[loneviking]

Hmmm, my choices would be:

Model 29, for the reasons listed above. It would look similar to what's local, but have a lot more firepower.

FN-FAL/ .308 caliber, since thousands of rounds are available. Good, heavy caliber that can take down pretty much anything around, whether two or four footed. Accurate enough to shoot the wings off a gnat at 600 yards.

Shotgun? Street Sweeper with box magazines. Firepower and lots of it.

[FourNineFoxtrot]

It's funny, I was just thinking about this. Specifically, I was just watching the gunfight at the end of Open Range on TV, and I kept thinking, "Man, it would sure help to have a pistol you didn't have to cock every time you fired it. What kind of damage could a guy do with a decent semi-auto?"

If I were going back to the "Old West", this is what I'd bring:

2 Glock 17s with both regular and 33 round mags. I'm not a huge fan of Glocks, but for something that has to last without ever failing, I figure Glock is probably the way to go

I'd want to take two rifles. An AK variant of some sort, and a bolt-action .308, maybe a Remington, with really good glass. Firepower enough for short/medium range, and the ability to reach out and touch someone.

For a shotgun, I think I'd take a Winchester Defender pump. Autoloaders are tempting, but a pump would probably last longer.

I'd also bring the best binoculars I could find (maybe my pair of Hammers 7x50s, which ought to be durable enough).

And I'd take at least two of everything. Because two is one, and one is none.

And toilet paper. Lots of toilet paper. Because I ain't goin' time-traveling without a case of Cottonelle. That's a deal breaker.

[Kind of Blued]

Quote:
I imagine firearm technology would be different in a world in which time machines are available.

Kind of Blued:
What does that mean?

I thought it meant exactly what it says.

If we had the technology to make time machines, we'd have the technology to make something better than a Glock, so I'd choose something like a plasma-phased rifle.

Make sense?

[General Geoff]

If we had the technology to make time machines, we'd have the technology to make something better than a Glock, so I'd choose something like a plasma-phased rifle.

Make sense?

Even if we didn't, we could just time travel to the future and get phased plasma rifles (in the 40-watt range). :)

[Dr. Fresh]

I'd take an M134 with many thousands of rounds of ammo back to the Alamo.

[homebase.ning.com]

A arm is an arm, as long as I can buy whatever I want.

[qwert65]

Well, since I usually mind my own bussiness, I'd prob take a ruger blackhawk in 45lc cause I like them. i would take a nice 38 snubbie since thats eons better then the derringers they had. I'd prob skip the rifle altogether since i dont anticipate long shots. I would take a reliable pump shotgun though with the extended mag tube and a cut down barrel

[heron]

Who'd go back to that anyway? Coal-burning stoves and outdoor plumbing? Go on ahead, I'll wave goodbye (and laugh) as you disappear!

[Kentucky]

If it was my one and only gun, I would take a PTR-91. Basically indestructible so I wouldnt have to worry about it breaking as quickly as a lot of others. It would of course have a good trigger job, and a good scope on a quick release mount. This should allow me to dominate any gunfight between 25 and 800 yards. The 308 would be good enough for my buffalo hunting or when I had to snipe Sitting Bull at 500 yards, and the shorter barrel on the PTR would be compact enough to allow me to handle it inside the stable when I am picking up my trusty horse.

P.S. Instead of a horse, can I have a 4 wheeler with unlimited gas? :)When restless natives start chasing me I can snipe them with my trusty 308 until they get within 200 yards, then zoom out at 50MPH until I get far enough ahead to stop and snipe again :) Ditto for the all the jealous cowboys who will be after me because of the high CDI factor inherent in my rifle/4 wheeler gear. After a hard day of dominating the world I would pull out my fender portable speaker system and have a rock concert for the amazed townspeople.

[mio]

pistol ruger super redhawk .44mag
rifle mosin nagant :)
shotty rem 870

also a .50 bmg for sitting bull ;)

[Malamute]

Someone hit the nail on the head, "...Well, since I usually mind my own business,...."


If you stay out of saloons and gambling halls, you probably arent going to be in full scale battle evey moment. Actually, you will probably not be bothered at all. The writers of the day mention that you are safer in the west than in the cities of the east at that time. Charlie Russell commented in a letter that if all the guys were shot in real life as were in the movies, the red men would still be in charge. Roosevelt also wrote that most of the guys shot were asking for it, and weren't missed by the communities.


A good scoped bolt gun like a sporterized Springfield or Mauser in 30-06, for hunting primarily, and longer range defense, in the unlikley event you would need it, a Winchester 1886 light rifle, and 1894 carbine in 30 WCF cal, would about do it. Modern handguns arent enough ahead of the game for what you would use one for to be worth the trouble of having to bring your own ammo. A Colt SAA, and a Smith 38 top break would round out the bunch, and be quite capable of dealing with whatever came up. A stash of 1K rounds for each for 30-06 and 30 WCF would probably last a lifetime of real use, with a hand loader and mold, and a couple pounds of Unique or Red Dot for small game loads.


If you want to look for trouble, you will find it, and its usually in towns. I'm not a town guy in any event. I'd love to go back and be a later day mountain recluse, like Jake Hoover. Hunt meat and trap, sell your goods in the scattered towns, resupply, head back into the high and wild places. Maybe run a handfull of range cows in some secluded valley,....

[Duke of Doubt]

I'm with the posters above who commented in effect that the gun we carry is the LEAST of what we bring to the table as a time traveler to the late nineteenth century.

Knowledge of probable financial, commercial and other developments provides unbelievable power for good or evil.

You buy all the right stocks, of course.

You could write all the bestselling novels, all the hit plays, all the best poems.

You get to invent the typewriter, the phonograph, commercial electricity, the airplane, and the automobile if you want to. And patent them all. Preferably behind your friends who you set up as strawmen. The geek squad -- Bell, Ford, Edison, Firestone.

You get to place bets on just about everything EXCEPT sporting events, the outcomes of which may change.

You ingratiate yourself with all the right people. Your pals are a Who's Who of 1893.

Yes, John D. Rockefeller was a time traveller.

John Titor was NOT.

[expvideo]

Wait, I'm going back to the old west to kill people?

Is the point of this thread "what modern weapons would you use to shoot people with inferior weapons for no good reason?"

[k9870]

body armor, lol.

[Pilot]

A Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range.

[Matrix187]

An AK 74 since you can carry more ammo than an AK 47 (even though I love the 7.62x39 round). ALso, A hi cap 9mm luger sidearm from a reputable company. Thats it for guns. Maybe some spare parts for each.. and a cleaning kit.

I might want a detachable scope for the ak74 if they even make one.

[Robocop]

I could not go back to the old west. I would have been mistaken for an Indian, or relegated to building railroads,or working for a laundry service.:evil:

[k9870]

FAL, sig p220, p90. grenades. type 4 body aromor

[ants]

I would take lots and lots of toilet paper. They didn't have any back then.

[Duke of Doubt]

ants, they did. They called it the New York Times.

[MT GUNNY]

Good ?

Rem 870, 12G
AR 10 or maybe rem 700,30.06
S&W 1911

[theotherwaldo]

WHICH Old West? 1840s trans-Mississippi frontier? 1850s Gold-Rush migration? 1860s War and resettlement? 1870s & '80s Indian wars and cattle empire expansions? 1890s farming and mining friction? The 1900s Mexican Revolution/Pancho Villa raids? The one in the 1950s television shows? The one in the spaghetti westerns?

Come on, folks!

[Duke of Doubt]

Around here, "Frontier Days" means the seventeenth century.

This area hasn't really changed all that much since then. It shows more in wintertime.

[Cannonball888]

I'd rather go back in time to the Middle Ages with a Remington double-barrel boomstick, an old Chevy, and a chainsaw.

[Duke of Doubt]

Cannonball, have you ever read Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court"? Hilarious as only Twain (or Ambrose Bierce or Ring Lardner) could be.

"Merlin's stock was flat."

[Vonderek]

Better bring a loading press too along with primers.

[Leanwolf]

DUKE OF DOUBT - "Around here, "Frontier Days" means the seventeenth century.

This area hasn't really changed all that much since then. It shows more in wintertime."

Where is "around here?"

L.W.

[Duke of Doubt]

Interior Maine.

It's pretty "elemental" around here.

EVERYONE has guns. Even people who in other areas you'd expect to be anti-gun. Teachers, social workers, nurses, etc. Robberies don't tend to go down very well. Out of town gangsters tend to get gunned down in the city streets. For some very understated and misleading reporting of a classic (and recently re-enacted) such event, see:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1907427/posts

and

http://bangorinfo.com/Focus/focus_brady_gang.html

and

http://www.ourstory.com/thread.html?t=282466

[Joe Demko]

Why am I taking these modern guns back with me? Who is it that I am going to massacre with my "superior firepower?" Why would I feel good about doing it? Why would I not, instead, simply go back and_while blending in_try to see as many places and people as possible? Is there no better use for a time machine than to become a mass killer?

[Duke of Doubt]

The highest and best use of a time machine can only be determined with reference to the society or culture, however small or circumscribed, which develops the time machine.

But I would agree that utilizing a time machine to satisfy one's homicidal inclinations presumptively is suspect, to say the least.

[Lewis130]

To be honest, I think I'd be plenty happy with a Colt SAA and '76 Winchester...

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I don't think the OP meant for you to go back simply to kill. I think he meant more along the lines of, if you went back simply to be there and live, and happened to be a part of one of the "old west shootouts" that the movies love to portray. Granted they didn't happen nearly as much as the movies portray, but gun fighting did happen on occasion. The guns you bring back can be used for hunting, protecting your ranch from rustlers, hostile Native American, etc. The premise of the OP isn't just "what would you bring to go back and start slaughtering people". Try to think a little.

[expvideo]

I don't think the OP meant for you to go back simply to kill. I think he meant more along the lines of, if you went back simply to be there and live, and happened to be a part of one of the "old west shootouts" that the movies love to portray. Granted they didn't happen nearly as much as the movies portray, but gun fighting did happen on occasion. The guns you bring back can be used for hunting, protecting your ranch from rustlers, hostile Native American, etc. The premise of the OP isn't just "what would you bring to go back and start slaughtering people". Try to think a little.
Regardless of the intention, this thread is bringing out the worst in some people.

If you want to gun down a bunch of people who can't fight back, at least effectively, there are plenty of options that don't require a time machine. See Viginia Tech.

It really sickens me to read these threads.

[Joe Demko]

I am thinking. The guns of the time period were perfectly adequate. People used them quite successfully to do all things you describe.
"Old West Gunfights" were largely quarrels between drunken dirtbags. Seems to me that such things are better handled by avoiding being a drunken dirtbag than by being the only guy on the planet with an assault rifle. You think a little bit. If you have a time machine, why are you trying to scratch out a living as a 19th century rancher?

[NDN-MAN]

I have to agree with EXPVIDEO on this. Why go back to fight?? You can stay here and do that.

[FourNineFoxtrot]

Jeez, guys. Way to kill the fun of a thread.

I never took it as a question of "What guns could I most effectively murder people with if I could take them back in time?" Rather, I took it more as an exercise in comparative technology. And, yes, there's an element of roleplaying. "What if I was a TV-style gunfighter with modern weapons in the old west?" It's just another harmless hypothetical that is fun (for some) to think about.

It's just a game. Even if it was possible, I wouldn't go back to the old west at all. Except perhaps to do some careful investing here and there, and will my modern self an enormous fortune. But that's not what the game is about. It's about guns. Specifically, which guns, and why.

I'm not knocking anyone... I just don't think "what caliber for mass murder?" was the purpose of the thread.

[Joe Demko]

If I were the type of person who idolized the Old West gunmen, I'd fantasize about beating the best of them on an "equal playing field," not about going back and cutting one down with modern weapons and training (and no doubt sober).

[TRGRHPY]

exp:Wait, I'm going back to the old west to kill people?

Is the point of this thread "what modern weapons would you use to shoot people with inferior weapons for no good reason?"

Hell yes, that is exactly the point! SOMEBODY has to be the bad guy...:evil:


Why didn't you point out that Dukeofdoubt wants to steal inventions from other people and plagiarize?

Because this is a completely pointless and humorous thread which is just comparing our firearms to theirs. There is always someone who has to crap in the punchbowl...:banghead:

[66912]

A Chinese coach gun and an Italian single action army copy.

[Robocop]

Ok, I'll cave in. Smith and Wesson 625 (.45 LC version). At least I could find ammo fori t.:D

[f4t9r]

It really does not matter. I would get shot in the back.
Then they would take my guns and somebody would shoot them in the back and ........

[Geno]

Are you kidding?! Take guns?! The bad guys could take them away, and use them against you! :neener:

Well, friend, since you're buying the ammo, I'd take the following:

"Ma Duce"

Glock 18 w/ 33-rouind mags

Rem 870 Tactical

[jhco]

Delta Elite 10mm
m14 or ar10
Beretta Extrema II 28in 12rd mag

[Black Dime]

Para 14 45 LDA

AR in 260 with laser

1187 26" with 10 round extender, w/side saddle.

[JWF III]

I'll take a Colt 1873 SAA .44 WCF, Winchester Model 1886 .45-90 WCF, Winchester Model 1873 .44WCF, and a rabbit ear SBS shotgun (manufacturer doesn't matter) in 10 ga.

Most importantly give me the brains to stay on the good side of all the "Gunslingers". It doesn't matter how much firepower you're carrying, when you are shot in the back of the head at zero distance.

Just like today, a wise man stays away from trouble, until trouble comes to him.

Wyman

[woodfiend]

Rifle: Magpul Masada with Surefire suppressor
Pistol: HK Mk. 23 with suppressor

Tons of mags and ammo that I could hide in some cave or something.

[SN13]

Shotgun: Saiga12 with lots-o-mags.
Rifle: PKM with lots-o-belts.
Pistol: MP5 with lots-o-mags.

[scrat]

1919a4 of course maybe a good ar15, a 9mm you gotta have a 9. Then of course maybe a taurus 44 mag raging bull. Unlimited ammo. Ok then a m2 maaaa duece 50 cal. After that heheheheh send me back to the alamo here i come davey crocket here i come

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

How hard would it be to get a custom AR made chambered in a cartridge that was popular and available in the late 1800s?

[Mello]

Colt Delta Elite
Springfield M1A SOCOM
12GA Benelli auto

I would avoid any street showdowns at 10 feet which would go to the fast draw gunfighter type. I'd shoot him at 50 yards.

[ar10]

None.
1. you're not going to fix it if it breaks.
2. No ammo, at least not enough.
3. What are you going to clean it with?
4. Most gun fights in the Old West weren't that honorable, with the majority of victims shot in the back or ambush.

Now the real question, since we're dreaming, what would you take back with you if you were suddenly confronted by critters from 65,000 yrs ago. :D

[The_Shootist]

686+ no lock version (sidearm) and Ak-47 (with a happy switch).

Not very glamorous likley pretty damn effective :evil:

[ChemicalArts]

which modern handgun, long gun, and shotgun would you take with you?

If I could go back in time, I'd take a whole bunch of antibiotics with me. That would provide the best protection from the greatest hazards of yesteryear.

[Dr.Rob]

Stay out of bars and gambling halls. Trade penecillin cure for Colts and Winchesters with Providence, locked up in a place I know will survive. (After all who's gonna belive it was Wes Hardin's Lightning with signed affidavit if it looks NEW same for Bill Cody, Wyatt earp et al.) Come back to CRAZY good gun collection.

As for what to take back.. nothing else that might seriously alter the timeline.

[glockdriver]

I remember reading a short Sci-Fi story years ago where a squad of Mercs were dropped into the Alamo with a modern weapons to defeat the Mexicans (something about oil?.)But in the middle of a early battle the "Time Patrol" took them all to their own time era

[solareclipse]

AR!

with a para ord on the side. double stack .45 goodness.

[nero45acp]

Polish P-64 (w/round hammer for concealed carry)
Glock 17
AK-47
Saiga12


nero

[JeffLrrp]

Ruger GP100 4" .357.
Marlin 1894c .357 lever rifle
(2 guns same caliber makes logistics easier)
Remington 870 12 gauge Marine model

[KINGMAX]

Pistol auto: GLOCK 21
Rifle: AK 47
Shotgun: Remi 870
Revolver S&W 686-1

[Mp7]

Full auto Glock, with the whole
Mall-ninja tuning set.

The rest would be ammo.

... then pick up a shotgun and rifle, that have only
been dropped once.

-----

other idea.

American180 in .22
and lots of LR-ammo.


( a whole crate of makro-antibiotics would actually make you
so rich you could afford an army to fight for you)

[crebralfix]

S&W 25 in 45 Colt

As for rifles, I'd take what I could use as prototypes for starting a company. I'd also take back some components so I could manufacture primers.