SFPD Paying to Get Guns Off the Streets


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Sven
September 28, 2003, 02:06 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=350&ncid=350&e=4&u=/kpix/20030927/lo_kpix/7917

Sat Sep 27, 4:48 PM ET

Sue McGuire for KCBS-740 AM

(KCBS)--A weekend gun buy back program sponsored by the San Francisco police Department is being hailed as a huge success.



KCBS reporter Mark Seelig in the Mission District says the mayor released $10,000 at the beginning of the year and asked police to get at least 100 guns off the streets.

SFPD Lt. Kitt Crenshaw Says the department has conducted a number of buy back programs already this year and there was not a great response. "When we look at those records, San Francisco related to other cities of the same size, crime is down and I think the San Francisco Police Department has done an excellent job of trying to reduce crime, especially violent crime Homicide is down this year. For some reason some people have the fear and still want to hold onto those weapons to protect themselves with them," he said.

He says the department recently started off handing over $150 for each gun no questions asked. That seemed to help pick up the tempo in this weekend's buy back.

Within 30 minutes, police handed out the $4,500 remaining for the program and began issuing IOUs.

Cathy Cochran received one of the IOUs and said she's just relieved to be rid of the two rifles she had sitting in her house. "I had weapons that I inherited from my family that I have no use for so in order to get them in a safe place I thought what the heck,' she said.

Until the city gets more money from the city or through donations, the gun buyback program is on hold until next year.

Yahoo discussion at:

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That's it - I'm putting an ad in the Bay Area papers - "BUYING GUNS"

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keederdag
September 28, 2003, 02:11 PM
That's $1000 a gun. man I got some crap I wana sell these idiot's!:neener:

El Tejon
September 28, 2003, 02:15 PM
Excellent way to rid oneself of a murder weapon?

New motto for program: "Making life easier for criminals. We care!"

glocksman
September 28, 2003, 02:22 PM
Think they'll give me $150 each for a bunch of old Jennings J-22 pistols? :evil:

Mark Tyson
September 28, 2003, 02:23 PM
Gun buy-ups are such a joke. all they do is condition people to lining up to turn in their guns and let criminals safely dispose of murder weapons. I knew a guy who would buy up the crappiest non-functioning old pistols and sell them at these things for a profit.

Wildalaska
September 28, 2003, 02:51 PM
WoW! I want one of them up here! Great way to strip all the usable parts out of them Win 70s that lay in the bottom of boats for 10 years and still make money!

WildentrepenuerAlaska

gunsmith
September 28, 2003, 03:52 PM
I live here in "don't call it Frisco"
I was working on Sat but the next one I will turn in a derringer that
has issues. I bought it from a relative out of pity for 70$...I will get 150$
for it??
heheheh

BenW
September 28, 2003, 04:10 PM
Cathy Cochran received one of the IOUs and said she's just relieved to be rid of the two rifles she had sitting in her house. "I had weapons that I inherited from my family that I have no use for so in order to get them in a safe place I thought what the heck,' she said.
Somehow I have the feeling that a couple of SF cops are now in possession of pre '64 Winchesters....

greyhound
September 28, 2003, 05:08 PM
For some reason some people have the fear and still want to hold onto those weapons to protect themselves with them," he said.

For some reason? FOR SOME REASON?

Man, that's it, I'm packing up and moving to Frisco. SFPD has just revealed that all crime and criminals have been eliminated from SF. At least, that has to be the case if we are to agree with his statement.

What? Really? Oops, I take back my previous statement, I guess he just doesn't "believe" that "civilians" should have guns, just the police and criminals.

And that doesn't even take into the account "the defense from tyranny" part of RKBA!

tyme
September 28, 2003, 05:10 PM
I took my guns "off the streets" of SFO for free when I left Kali. Maybe they should reevaluate their strategy if they think they have to pay people to get guns off the streets.

Sven
September 28, 2003, 06:31 PM
Yeah - stop paying these people by moving. It's making more sense all the time. Sad thing: even though I take tax money with me, most of my Ultra Liberal neighbors would be happy to see me leave.

It would be so much SAFER with my guns out of the neighborhood.

4v50 Gary
September 28, 2003, 07:19 PM
Wish I'd knew. Using 2x4 roughly carved out, I'd slap together some blackpowder with pipe and cheap percussion locks and would have gotten enough cash to buy a real gun.

El Tejon
September 28, 2003, 09:46 PM
:D

I can see it! As the caring reporter solemnly intones about the surrender ceremony a television camera pans down the long line of sheople waiting patiently, Gary is seen in the back of the line whittling away on a two by four and wrapping wire around a pipe!:D

jimpeel
September 28, 2003, 11:17 PM
At some gun "buy back" (a horrible misnomer since they never sold it to you in the first place) a few years ago they were giving $100 for any "assault weapon" turned in. This was at the time that Chinese SKS rifles were selling for ~$70. Soooooo...

This aspiring entrepeneur goes out and buys forty -- count 'em -- forty SKS rifles and takes them to the turn in. The result? $1,200 profit for about three hours of work. Not bad wages if you can get it.

Standing Wolf
September 28, 2003, 11:30 PM
For some reason some people have the fear and still want to hold onto those weapons to protect themselves with them"...

Hard to believe in this modern age of crime-free cities, isn't it?

P95Carry
September 28, 2003, 11:30 PM
This ''guns off the streets'' deal is tired and pathetic ..... always seem to get this phrase and mostly so from places like Oz and UK ... as if it solves some problem. :rolleyes:

Now if it was, and proven to be ....... ''guns outa criminals hands'' ..... that might just might be more releveant ... except what BG's are gonna go get paid $150 for their ''street piece'' when anyways they prolly paid twice that in the first place.

The whole mindset behind these ''buybacks'' is totally flawed .... almost always will be, but - of course - the anti's just lap it up.:banghead:

LiquidTension
September 28, 2003, 11:38 PM
I wish they had these things where I live. I'd try to get interviewed while in line: "Yeah, I'm turning in these two POS guns so I can get money to buy a REAL gun!"

Kharn
September 28, 2003, 11:40 PM
I promise to leave my guns in the gunsafe for a full day (and not let them play in the street) if the cops give me $150 per gun. Heck, I'll even do it for as low as $50 per gun. We could even work out a volume-pricing discount, like $40/gun/day if purchased in 5 day blocks. Now thats a bargain. :evil:

Kharn
[I'm away at school during the week, and on most weekends]

tyme
September 28, 2003, 11:53 PM
I'm waiting for the day a real arms dealing syndicate raids a gun buyback and the voters find out that their taxdollars ended up providing a violent criminal enterprise with an rather impressive supply of weapons.

jimpeel
September 29, 2003, 12:12 AM
The most pathetic aspect of these programs is that they think nothing of giving a widow with a fixed income $50 for her dead husband's $800 hunting rifle. They won't even tell her that the firearm is worth far more than they are willing to pay for it.

I wonder how many of those firearms end up on firearms dealer's shelves after being resold or auctioned by the police for far more than they paid for them to "get them off of the streets". I also wonder how many firearms end up in the personal collections of various police officers. In Taunton, MA a police captain stole an 1895 Mauser pistol valued at $15,000 from the police vault he had control over. They paid about $50 for it in one of the turn ins there.

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Partisan Ranger
September 29, 2003, 01:08 PM
"I had weapons that I inherited from my family that I have no use for so in order to get them in a safe place I thought what the heck,' she said.
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If those are half-decent rifles, they'll end up in some cop's gun collection.

Brian Dale
September 29, 2003, 02:15 PM
the mayor released $10,000 at the beginning of the year and asked police to get at least 100 guns off the streets.Okay, $10,000 divided by 100, if we only want to buy 100 guns, gives us a payment of $100 per gun.

What did they do?He says the department recently started off handing over $150 for each gun no questions asked. That seemed to help pick up the tempo in this weekend's buy back. Somehow, I think that the "no questions asked" was a big part of that little accelerando. OK, so now we're meeting the Liberal goal of spending all of our money, faster. What else? Within 30 minutes, police handed out the $4,500 remaining for the program and began issuing IOUs. All right, now we're getting somewhere. We spent the money that was allocated. We spent it on fewer guns than the mayor stated were to be purchased with those dollars. Now we're issuing promises to pay, in return for goods received (sounds enforceable in court, if they were issued as a part of a City program by City employees, as these were). Do we care? We're delighted! It's public money, therefore the goal must be to spend it as fast as we can, to show both "success" and the "need" for MORE MONEY! In SF, these maniacs are not going to be fired for malfeasance; they'll be promoted.

These folks will go far in SF politics. I'm glad that I left and came here.

feedthehogs
September 29, 2003, 07:22 PM
Until the city gets more money from the city

HUH?

No wonder they're in a financial crisis in Kali.

standingbear
September 29, 2003, 08:15 PM
morons.....everytime i read about a buyback program,i ...:barf:

sturmruger
September 29, 2003, 09:19 PM
I think we should pool our money together and sponsor a Gun buyback program. I want an early Serial number 10-22 or maybe a very early Ruger MK-1, my friend is looking to get a 1894 Marlin in 30-30. Think of all the nice people that would be willing to hand over there expensive gun for only $150!!! I think we would have to have the option of refusing all of those Jennings that people might try to turn in. Those things aren't even safe as a paper weight. I think I might be on to something here. What a great way to pick up some nice guns.

MJRW
September 29, 2003, 10:36 PM
This is a great scam. They are getting their own money back for the guns they bought and paid sales tax on. I bet they have to declare it as income, too.

Futo Inu
September 30, 2003, 01:37 PM
feedthehogs - yeah, that's called the "California Bootstrap" method of creative fiscal financing. :)

Sven, no that is not sad (that your neighbors will be glad to see you leave). It gives me a warm fuzzy to know that when you and other like you do leave, they'll be left wallowing in the severe financial (gov't) mess they created, without the tax base of freedom-lovers to help clean up the mess. No doubt they'll end up trying to steal money from ME and other taxpayers in other states, by asking for a bailout from the federal gov't. We simply must prevent that by voting for more fiscal conservatives. One good reason to vote Shrub over Dean.

atek3
September 30, 2003, 04:12 PM
Voting in more fiscal conservatives



Bush, a fiscal conservative? :barf:
http://www.cato.org/dailys/07-31-03.html

The only difference between Dean and Shrub is that Dean has a D behind his name and Shrub has an R behind his name. Oh and Dean is for rapidly socializing medicine and Shrub is for slowly socializing medicine.
A pox on both their parties.

atek3

Bigjake
September 30, 2003, 04:48 PM
I'm waiting for the day a real arms dealing syndicate raids a gun buyback and the voters find out that their taxdollars ended up providing a violent criminal enterprise with an rather impressive supply of weapons.

Me and my shooting buddies aint much of a syndicate, but when i see all the NICE old guns idiots get willed from some old shooter, it makes me start to wonder......

personaly, i wish we had a buyback here, i'd do the jennings thing!

tyme
September 30, 2003, 05:03 PM
I think we should pool our money together and sponsor a Gun buyback program. I want an early Serial number 10-22 or maybe a very early Ruger MK-1, my friend is looking to get a 1894 Marlin in 30-30. Think of all the nice people that would be willing to hand over there expensive gun for only $150!!! I think we would have to have the option of refusing all of those Jennings that people might try to turn in. Those things aren't even safe as a paper weight. I think I might be on to something here. What a great way to pick up some nice guns.
Is there a sub-market-value market for guns if the sellers don't get the satisfaction of knowing the guns will be destroyed by the State?

And, of course, you probably need a FFL to do this, and the BATF might not be too pleased...

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