Is Obama Banning Guns in Nat. Parks?


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Animal Mother
January 20, 2009, 07:34 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama's new administration on Tuesday asked all federal agencies and departments to stop any pending regulations until a review can be conducted.

"This afternoon, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel signed a memorandum sent to all agencies and departments to stop all pending regulations until a legal and policy review can be conducted by the Obama administration," the White House said in a statement.

(Reporting by Tabassum Zakaria; Editing by David Alexander)


Source:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE50J88L20090120



So, does this mean that the lifting of the ban on guns in national parks is now on hold, and will eventually be overturned?

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Duke of Doubt
January 20, 2009, 07:55 PM
It was fun while it lasted.

As our National Park is furthest east and first to open ...

Regen
January 20, 2009, 08:08 PM
As far as I know, CC in National Parks is not pending. It went into effect Jan. 9th. Also, as far as I understand it, he could issue an executive order overriding this, but that would not take effect immediately, but upon publication of the executive order which can take up to a week.

Animal Mother
January 20, 2009, 08:20 PM
That's good news Regen.

Thanks

kingpin008
January 20, 2009, 08:54 PM
...and will eventually be overturned?

Why, why, WHY do people keep asking this kinda stuff?

How are we supposed to tell you what will eventually be decided? The only way we will know, is if a law is written and sent to be voted on. Other than that, it's purely guesswork and out of our hands. Please stop asking. We know as much as you do.

Animal Mother
January 20, 2009, 09:31 PM
Kingpin008, with all due respect, please take the time to actually read my post instead of attacking me for asking a question.

I'm not asking about the rules of some supposed new ban before it is written, I am asking if an actual action by the current administration to "stop any pending regulations" will affect a recent regulation change which lifted a ban on firearms in our parks.

According to what I've read, BHO is using this procedure to specifically to reverse some of GWB's most recent decisions. Therefore if the recent regulation change fell under this umbrella of this review and BHO desires to change said regulation, then it is probable that the regulation will be overturned. This is not wild conjecture; if the aforementioned regulation was actually placed on hold by BHO it would almost certainly be overturned. It is the logical conclusion of the procedure.

The question asked in my original post concerned the "if" located in the above paragraph.

cjw3cma
January 20, 2009, 09:50 PM
So, does this mean that the lifting of the ban on guns in national parks is now on hold, and will eventually be overturned?

Plainly NO. It doesn't mean anything other than what it said. Don't be so paranoid that your rights are a heartbeat away from being taken from you. In reality you had your rights trampled by the former administration. You will always be able to own guns - maybe not every make and model ever created or to come.

I believe that many of the former administration's policy decisions are on hold like selling off thousands of acres surrounding National Parks to oil exploration, the Endangered Species changes that they tried to weaken, etc.

There's a lot of correction that needs to be implemented as the free wheeling has to end. I remember when the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) was a majority of manufacturing and production dollars and not loaded with artificial paper profits counted as GDP from all of the financial dealings that have caused the economic collapse.

Just allow the process in Washington to evolve. Be a part of the solution rather than purveyor of pending doom. You don't have to agree but you've got to support the necessary changes from the way our country has been run into the ground in debt, ill conceived and planned wars, lost freedoms and lost status in the eyes and minds of the World. Your choice.:rolleyes:

ServiceSoon
January 20, 2009, 09:57 PM
Obama has the legal authority to appoint the Secretary of the US Department of the Interior and thus could erase the legal carry of firearms in National Parks. Realize that the NRA worked on getting this passed since 2003.

Kim
January 20, 2009, 10:23 PM
Maybe some of your speech rights will get banned. There is nothing that makes me more angry than someone lecturing on how our gun rights are safe except for ---- while griping about some dang environmental crap. Yea I said crap. I am tired of it. I do not want to be pandered to by someone on the left about MY gun rights being KINDA safe.

gc70
January 20, 2009, 11:31 PM
As far as I know, CC in National Parks is not pending. It went into effect Jan. 9th.

Correct; the final regulation became effective January 9, 2009.

Also, as far as I understand it, he could issue an executive order overriding this, but that would not take effect immediately, but upon publication of the executive order which can take up to a week.

Incorrect; the President can't change federal regulations by executive order. Congress passed the Administrative Procedure Act (http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/bills/blapa.htm) to define and control the process by which federal agencies issue regulations.

MT GUNNY
January 20, 2009, 11:43 PM
The DOI have Spoke and it is what it is. For it to go Back it would have to go through the Same Process, and they would get the same Comments from All of us Just like before.

I say No It will stay the Way it is.

notorious
January 20, 2009, 11:58 PM
It's only day ONE... we got another 1,460 days left... lovely way to start.

notorious
January 21, 2009, 12:35 AM
Maybe(shudder)2920,notorious.
BTW,is that handle from Hitchcock's 1946 flic with Cary and Ingrid?
Great movie!

What did I do to you? Man... now I can't sleep because I am going to have nightmares about the number, 2,920. Egads!

Yes, that is a great movie and the opening long shot was one of the greatest in the history of American cinema. Good to see there are some who also appreciate a good movie as modern literary masterpieces.

NavyLCDR
January 21, 2009, 12:51 AM
Hey - speaking of the new administration - as long as "white can embrace what is right" we'll be OK...

OMG are we in trouble.

Sorry. Off topic.

It's only day ONE... we got another 1,460 days left... lovely way to start.

It's 1,461. You forgot the leap year.

.38 Special
January 21, 2009, 01:56 AM
So it turns out that the answer to the question is "No, the parks regulation is already law and is not up for review", but that doesn't stop folks from printing various permutations of "OMG only XXXX number of days left of this stuff OMG!!!"

So unless you folks are complaining about the idea of having to listen to XXXX days of mindless hair-on-fire sky-is-falling nonsense, I think it may be time to adjust the dosages.

HTH!

notorious
January 21, 2009, 03:12 AM
It's 1,461. You forgot the leap year.

I counted today in as one of the days with the leap year... don't try to add another 24 hours to my misery, lieutenant. That's not cool.

notorious
January 21, 2009, 03:14 AM
Very,very cool.I thought so!Opening long shot in Miami February,1946.
Sleep well in LaLaLand.We'll make it through.

I'd rather be in FL where Serbu firearms can still do regular business. I have a double whammy of being in Kommiefornia where Pelosi, Feinstein, and Boxer also wield influence.

How much misery can one man endure? What have I done to deserve this? Is there no salvation for this wretched soul?

notorious
January 21, 2009, 03:34 AM
I thought the SoCal dosage was 100 milligrams plus a full year of de-education from big brother's re-education to learn what freedom is about.

Florida seems like a paradise, trust me. I was out there a few months ago. Loved every minute of it, except for the huge mosquitos and gators on my porch.

touro1979
January 21, 2009, 06:46 AM
I think we might be in trouble here folks.:cuss: I am glad at leat I can say I didnt vote for him.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) President Barack Obama's new administration ordered all federal agencies and departments on Tuesday to stop any pending regulations until they can be reviewed by incoming staff, halting last-minute Bush orders in their tracks.

"This afternoon, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel signed a memorandum sent to all agencies and departments to stop all pending regulations until a legal and policy review can be conducted by the Obama administration," the White House said in a statement issued just hours after Obama took office.

The review is a tool commonly used by a new administration to delay so-called "midnight regulations" put in place by a former president between the election and Inauguration Day.

Midnight regulations have been heavily used by recent former presidents, including the Democrat Bill Clinton, Republican George H. W. Bush, and most recently, the Republican George W. Bush.

Controversial late rules by the outgoing Bush administration include allowing the carrying of concealed weapons in some national parks and prohibiting medical facilities from receiving federal money for discriminating against doctors and nurses who refuse to assist with abortions or dispense contraceptives based on religious grounds.

Federal law requires a 60-day waiting period before any major regulatory changes become law, so some presidents try to publish new major regulations to ensure they go into effect before the new president's inauguration on January 20.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090121/pl_nm/us_obama_regulations

misANTHrope
January 21, 2009, 07:23 AM
The park ruling is NOT PENDING. It is NOT affected by this.

Lone_Gunman
January 21, 2009, 09:57 AM
Is Obama able to put this on hold pending further review? This article seems to imply that it was put on hold, but does not specifically state that.

Also, why was the other thread on this topic closed?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090121/pl_nm/us_obama_regulations

misANTHrope
January 21, 2009, 10:13 AM
President Barack Obama's new administration ordered all federal agencies and departments on Tuesday to stop any pending regulations until they can be reviewed by incoming staff, halting last-minute Bush orders in their tracks.

pend⋅ing

–adjective
3. remaining undecided; awaiting decision or settlement; unfinished: pending business; pending questions; pending litigation.
4. about to take place; impending.

The NP rule is not pending, it is complete and in effect. By extension, it is therefore not on hold.

CoRoMo
January 21, 2009, 10:14 AM
Agreed, it is completed... however...

It was put in effect by executive order, right?
Can't it be repealed by same?

Regen
January 21, 2009, 10:24 AM
No, the Regulation was put in place by the normal rule making process via the DOI. There was even an extended comment period. An EO could be issue to quickly change this, but it would be many months to have it done via the normal rule making process.

Nickotym
January 21, 2009, 10:38 AM
No it was not executive order that gave us the National Parks carry, it was a DOI regulation that went through the comment period and has to go through the same process to be reversed.

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