[beretta-secksay]

if .40 s&w and 9mm both perform the same when used with best ammo. if you shoot .40 cal (g22)comfortably and accurately, you can shoot 9mm(g17) even better. so, why pick glock 22?

[Hk Dan]

You should use the largest caliber that you can shoot comfortably. If shooting comfortably was your criteria, you'd be carrying a .22 short, right?

.40 is a 10mm, creates a bigger wound channel, and is nominally a better self defense cartridge. That is why you'd carry a GLOCK 22

[Sato Ord]

if .40 s&w and 9mm both perform the same when used with best ammo. if you shoot .40 cal (g22)comfortably and accurately, you can shoot 9mm(g17) even better. so, why pick glock 22?

Since I purchased a Sigma .40 and chose it over a Glock I'll wade in on this one.

I don't like the feel of the Glock in my hand. I've fired them and the ergonomic grip on the Glock is great if you have petite hands like my wife.

The raised areas of the grip that your fingers are supposed to settle into for comfort ride right along the center of my finger pads. The grips on my S&W are made so that someone with large hands can hold the weapon comfortably.

So, as far as Glock goes, if they insist on making one-size-fits-none grips that I have to alter to shoot the pistol comfortably, I'll buy something else.

So, your argument that since I shoot well with my .40 cal I should be able to shoot better with a 9mm Glock simply doesn't hold up. Also, since I have fired both at a variety of targets ranging from paper to tree stumps and paint cans, I can say, in my opinion (which is really the only opinion that counts when I'm spending my hard earned money on a firearm), the two weapons do not perform the same. The Glock has a lighter trigger, but that isn't the only consideration for me, and I don't mind the long, heavy trigger pull of the Sigma.

As was stated in another recent thread about this, we're talking about preferences. I've never been one to give into the herd instinct and do what every body else is doing. If you like your Glock, then by all means, enjoy it, but why do people insist that i have to like it, too?

[Mello]

beretta-secksay

if .40 s&w and 9mm both perform the same when used with best ammo. if you shoot .40 cal (g22)comfortably and accurately, you can shoot 9mm(g17) even better. so, why pick glock 22?

If your premise were true then the logical thing to do would be to pick the g17.

However, I can not agree with your premise. I would think that the 40S&W has better performance/more damage in a human body than the 9mm in comparable bullet designs.

The damage inside of a human body is, in part, directly related to the energy of the projectile; with a bunch of variables that can enter the equation. It takes energy to do the damage. So, if you eliminate all variables and merely have a larger bullet and more energy, those two factors win over smaller and less.

[golden]

If you have slower recovery time between shots, the extra power of the .40 caliber may get you killed.
In the GLOCK, for me at least, the 9m.m. was my limit.
More power meant slower recovery time and more pounding. I passed.

Jim

[tostada]

I'm a big 9mm fan, but your reasoning is totally flawed.

if .40 s&w and 9mm both perform the same when used with best ammo. if you shoot .40 cal (g22)comfortably and accurately, you can shoot 9mm(g17) even better. so, why pick glock 22?

For this to be true, you're talking about a scenario with hot high-end defensive ammo. If both rounds are performing the same (however you mean that) as far as ballistics, then both rounds will also have about the same amount of power behind them, and they will likewise be giving you the same amount of muzzle flip on your plastic gun. As a matter of fact, the Glock 22 weighs 1 oz. more than the Glock 17, so the .40 will have slightly less felt recoil.

Besides, if you can comfortably and accurately shoot a .40, that doesn't necessarily mean you will be significantly more accurate with a less powerful round, and less power is what you need if you're looking for less recoil. I know I'm more accurate with a Ruger .22 than with a Glock 34, but I think that's more about the gun itself being more accurate (although weighing twice as much probably helps).

[Ankeny]

If your premise were true then the logical thing to do would be to pick the g17. Yup.

[C-grunt]

Theoretically yes you should shoot better with the 9mm gun. But the .40 is a bigger and more powerful round, so some people prefer that.

With modern ammunition, the 9mm is a very good defensive round and you would be far from under-armed with one. But if you shoot a .40 well it is a more powerful round.

[beretta-secksay]

repeat after me

"i like my glock 22 but i can shoot glock 17 better and i wish i can convience myself that 9mm is just as effective as .40 s&w"

[VegasOPM]

The 17 gives you 2 more rounds and faster shot to shot recovery. The 22 gives you bigger bullets and all that brings. The Corbon 135's chrono at around 1350 out of my 22. The Winchester +P+ 115's chrono at 1378 or so out of my 17. You'll get an extra 20 grains of weight and a larger cross section at the roughly same velocity. 147 +P run about 940 out of my 17, while 180's break 1000fps out of my 22- so the differences are more pronounced with heavier bullets.

That being said, both are very capable handguns if you do your part.

[C-grunt]

With proper shot placement the difference between 9mm and .40 will be way too small to really matter. I have seen more than a couple people killed very quickly by the Iraqi police using 9mm FMJ ammo with proper shot placement.

The problem is with us one here, myself included, is that we have too much knowledge about the subject and therefor nit-pick it to death. Yes the .40 is a more effective round, but if you are in a situation where you need that extra itsy bitsy more effectiveness, the .40 probably wont cut it either.

[inheritor]

i have a s&w .40 sigma trigger pull is a little tight but shoots very well dont know much about the glock so im going to rent one and see how it fires

[9mmepiphany]

i've owned/tried both the .40 and 9mm in identical platforms and feel i have a pretty realistic basis for comparison.

having compared the both rounds in Glocks (22/17), Sigs (226) and Beretta (92/96) i've found some consistences between the rounds.

1. the .40 has sharper felt recoil...it's pressure curve spikes earlier, much like the difference between the .338 win mag and the .375 H&H mag
2. my shot transitions are faster with the 9mm...there is less muzzle flip
3. i am able to practice more with the 9mm...cheaper ammo
4. the 9mm is inherently a more accurate round...original design as opposed to a reduced lenght 10mm
5. the 9mm loaded with 127gr ranger talon or 124gr gold dot is as effective as any 180gr .40 round...in documented LE shootings

just so you don't think i'm completely bias, i still have the Beretta 96 (it was the most acurate for me) and carry it quite offen

[beretta-secksay]

where do you find 127 grain rangers talon? i think they don't make it anymore.

[inheritor]

im not entirely sure but i think the ranger ammo is law enforcement only grade but could be wrong

[pps]

Why not just be a gun slut and get both? Hell, get the g20 in 10mm while you are at it? I'm not a semi-auto guy generally, but I really like that 10mm with Double Tap ammo...unfortunately we are limited to 10rd magazines here in ***********.

[9mmepiphany]

where do you find 127 grain rangers talon? i think they don't make it anymore.

i didn't know they stopped production...i'm still working on the last case i got. you see them in the classifieds from time to time...also on Gun Broker. i believe Ranger SXT is the current labeling

im not entirely sure but i think the ranger ammo is law enforcement only grade but could be wrong

that only means that Winchester, though their LE distributers, won't sell it to you. it isn't a legal issue, it's a liability issue

[broylzGlock35]

i kind of thought the same thing about the caliber choice not really having much difference if you use quality ammunition and shot placement.

having said that, i did have a G21 and a G19 and i thought i was good with the g19 until i pushed myself to be as good with the 21. when i switched back it was night and day different. my times with the 19 cut dramatically.

i still liked the power of the 45 and the speed of the 9mm so i got rid of both and now shoot 40.

[C-grunt]

Really??? I have found that the .40 kicks the most, for me. Its a good round but Im thinking of switching my duty weapon to a 21 mainly because they are easier to shoot because its way less "snappy". I shoot pretty good with my G22, but I think follow up shots are way easier with either the G21 or the G17. YMMV.

[broylzGlock35]

i know that the 21 is more of a shove than a snap, i guess the more i shot the better i got with follow ups. i just got to where i prefer the 40. still shoot some 9mm when i want to appear faster.

[C-grunt]

Whatever works for ya brotha. If you can run it, go for it! Cant knock a guy for liking the .40 its an excellent round. :)