which states have denied the ammo encoding if any?


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gmalfavon1
January 21, 2009, 11:14 PM
Illinois Arizona Indiana New York and hawii all have one I doubt it will pass here in Az and why are people saying its Obama trying to take our ammo or what not since it is indivisual states and Russ Ford pushing these laws?

watch these videos and see what this guy is trying to push this guys is frikken ridiculous watch and see how stupid it all sounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gppekgor-jE&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7o62k4Z00&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijpVZJvdWkY&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB9i5eXgrlc&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t1sgpp7afg&feature=channel

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ACBMWM3
January 21, 2009, 11:39 PM
I have no idea which states but I can tell you it will do nothing to help control firearm crimes and is just a scheme to make it so hard to get ammo it would be pointless to even own a gun.

TRGRHPY
January 22, 2009, 04:00 AM
If only individual states are trying to get this passed, what is to stop a criminal from obtaining regular ammo from out of state?


Since there is sooo much ammo out in the public's hands right now, how long do they expect it to be before it is all cycled out and there is only their serialized ammo left? At what point do they see their idea becoming fruitfull?

My guess...never.

J.R.W.
January 22, 2009, 04:13 AM
It failed here in Rhode Island.

Librarian
January 22, 2009, 04:53 AM
It failed in California in 2006.

feedthehogs
January 22, 2009, 08:11 AM
it will do nothing to help control firearm crimes and is just a scheme to make it so hard to get ammo it would be pointless to even own a gun.

Bingo we have a winner Johnny, lets tell him what he's won..........

You've discovered the ancient secret most guns owners are ignorant to.

Its not about guns, its about control.

gmalfavon1
January 22, 2009, 08:34 AM
Awesome if it got shot down in California I'm.pretty sure it will stop in AZ

Mousegun
January 22, 2009, 08:39 AM
Failed in Tennessee but the idiots will keep on trying, I'm sure.

everallm
January 22, 2009, 09:35 AM
The answer is it has failed miserably in ALL the states is was raised in. All the states they mention on their web site killed it.

http://www.ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm

TexasRifleman
January 22, 2009, 10:07 AM
And this so called "organization" is just the guys that hold a few patents on the technology, trying to drum up business.

The equipment to actually DO this doesn't exist yet. They are basically trying to legislate venture capital funding.

We call these "Scumbags" :)

CoRoMo
January 22, 2009, 10:31 AM
I haven't perfected the encoding step of my reloading procedures, so I simply leave it out.:)

K3
January 22, 2009, 05:23 PM
I haven't perfected the encoding step of my reloading procedures, so I simply leave it out.

I use a Sharpie to put a little black mark on some of my brass. Does that count?

AllAmerican
January 22, 2009, 06:28 PM
Failed in SC.

ACBMWM3
January 24, 2009, 05:04 PM
hahaha sure K3, ill use a red sharpie so we know what person the ammo came from:p

MIgunguy
January 24, 2009, 05:18 PM
why are people saying its Obama trying to take our ammo or what not since it is indivisual states and Russ Ford pushing these laws?


BHO has said that supports huge tax increases (like a "sin tax") on ammo that would essentially price ammo out of anyone but the wealthy (for anyone that wanted to shoot on a regular basis at least). How often would you go shooting if each round cost $2 to $5?

Not just ammo but guns, too. Partial quote from Wasington Times editorial:

Mr. Obama also claims he's no threat to hunters.

But in 2005, he voted for a ban on all but the smallest rifle ammunition used for hunting (or for anything else). If the measure had passed, it would have classified most rifle ammunition beyond the low-powered .22 caliber as "armor piercing ammunition," prohibited for civilian manufacture by federal law. The ammunition ban was hardly Mr. Obama's first act against hunters, either. In 1999, Mr. Obama proposed increasing firearm and ammunition excise taxes by 500 percent. Right now, a rifle that a manufacturer sells for $500 carries an excise tax of $55. Under Mr. Obama's proposal, that amount would rocket to $330. This would turn a tax willingly paid by sportsmen, which funds many of our wildlife conservation programs, into a tool to punish gun buyers.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/30/obama-and-guns/

aHFo3
January 25, 2009, 12:51 AM
I'm sure criminals will be happy to buy ammo that they must register. They'll be happy to, just like they like to buy all their guns at the local gun store.

Kim
January 25, 2009, 01:30 PM
Way back when was;nt there a Federal law for awhile that you had to sign "register" when you brought ammo. It was a diaster. Of coarse that was before the IT evolution.

stellarpod
January 25, 2009, 03:24 PM
I just attempted to send an email to ammunitionaccountability.org as follows:

You are either, 1) being unwittingly duped by the anti-gun left, or 2) allowing your greed (read: licensing fees) to overwhelm your sense of ethical duty and fair play.


You obviously have no idea how to incorporate this *technology* into a real-world manufacturing environment. This daunting task of marrying two components together, with a completed round that has no visible serialization distinction, and then boxing them all together in yet a third package (which must have the same serialization) is daunting to say the least. It would require a complete redesign of the manufacturing process and would also substantially slow the process. At this point, the initial capital investment for new (unproven) equipment and the licensing fee pale in comparison to the cost associated with the tact time of manufacture. And higher times mean higher cost, which inevitably means higher cost to the consumer – likely MUCH higher cost. And finally, the logistics and bookkeeping required for such tracebility is yet another layer of additional cost.

You would saddle the wholesale distributor and retailer with yet another layer of traceablility red-tape, requiring them to maintain records. This requires new systems and probably additional staff – all of which would be passed, yet again to the consumer.

Do you really believe that criminals *buy* their ammunition? Are you truly that naïve?

What about those of us who reload our own ammunition? Are you satisfied with simply legislating our hobby/pastime into the realm of illegality in a hell-bent pursuit of your licensing scheme and subsequent profits at all cost? Most of us already reload for financial reasons, because the current cost of factory ammo makes it prohibitive for competitive shooting sports. Your plan just pours salt into the wound.

The truth is that the anti-gun establishment is embracing this psuedo-technological panacea because they recognize that it constitutes another opportunity to increase the pain on the gun-owning public. “Heck, if we can’t outlaw their guns, we’ll just enact legislation that makes it so cost prohibitive to shoot that they’ll have to give it up.”

Gun registration has been determined to be illegal by several legal precedents at the federal level. An ammunition *database* amounts to nothing less.

I promise you that we, the law-abiding gun-owning citizens of this great country will NEVER sit idly by while those of your ilk continue to erode the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution. We are watching, we vote and we will not forget.

I would like to have a response from you – something other than the typical form letter.

My email bounced back, stating:

We're sorry. There's a problem with the e-mail address(es) you're trying
to send to. Please verify the address(es) and try again. If you continue
to have problems, please contact Customer Support at (480) 624-2500.

<act@ammunitionaccountability.com>:
child status 100...The e-mail message could not be delivered because the user's mailfolder is full.

There's a surprise... :rolleyes:

stellarpod

748
January 25, 2009, 05:14 PM
I would have told them this is just another marrage of to totally different technologies to invent something "new" and useless. Something that no one needs and will not improve any ones life so that it can be sold to make a quick million and so some one gets their 15minutes of fame.
I just hope this isn't some ones lifes work because it is crap.

TexasRifleman
January 25, 2009, 07:31 PM
I just attempted to send an email to ammunitionaccountability.org as follows:

You do realize that this group belongs to the guys that hold the patent on the equipment and process to do this?

This is not about crime reduction or guns, it's about profit.

Magnuumpwr
January 25, 2009, 07:44 PM
Everyone's saying all the words, but no one has simplified it yet. The encoding law would in essence make it so costly and time consuming that no manufacturer will be willing to produce ammo!!!

Logos
January 25, 2009, 07:52 PM
It's pretty obvious that these stupid laws will fail wherever they are proposed.

So why all the fuss?

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