NY Senate Pick Also NRA Pick


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Speedo66
January 23, 2009, 08:01 AM
Gov. Patterson of NY announced last night he was picking Kirsten Gillibrand for the US Senate seat vacated by Hillary Clinton.

Gillibrand, 42, is a US Rep. from upstate NY and has been endorsed by the NRA.

She's also a lot cuter than Hillary. :rolleyes:

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cajun 48
January 23, 2009, 08:14 AM
CUTE!! What no pictures???? We need pictures to validate "CUTE"!!

Glad he made the right choice! We need all the help and support we can get in DC!

bill in IN
January 23, 2009, 08:34 AM
cuter than Hillary narrows the field by how much?

Daniel964
January 23, 2009, 08:45 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsten_Gillibrand

alsaqr
January 23, 2009, 08:50 AM
The last wild hog i saw is cuter than Hillary.

Yes, the NY governor picked a cutie.

everallm
January 23, 2009, 09:02 AM
The news here in NY/NJ continually harps on about how she consorts with demons......errr has a positive NRA record.

Even though she also has a 100% rating from the ACLU as well.

alemonkey
January 23, 2009, 09:05 AM
Awesome....that's a nice win for RKBA, exchanging Hillary for her.

But let's keep the comments high road, shall we? She is attractive, but that has nothing to do with her qualifications for office. We're not doing ourselves any favors in the public's eye talking like that.

cloudedice
January 23, 2009, 09:26 AM
Here's a side-by-side comparison: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/08/15/nyregion/600_Hillary.jpg

courtesy of the NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/15/nyregion/15clinton.html)

Maelstrom
January 23, 2009, 09:28 AM
She seems to swing right on a few important issues, gun control being one of them.

jeff-10
January 23, 2009, 09:31 AM
We all need to send a thank you email to Gov Patterson for appointing an A rated candidate to the US Senate.

damien
January 23, 2009, 10:39 AM
This is great news to wake up to.

riverdog
January 23, 2009, 10:57 AM
She's a Blue Dog Dem, excellent choice, better than many Republicans (In Name Only).

mljdeckard
January 23, 2009, 11:10 AM
A pleasant surprise indeed.

Eightball
January 23, 2009, 11:11 AM
Hey, if she's pro RKBA, that's a huge step coming from NY.

Does that notably change the balance in our favor, or more "even things up"?

czarjl
January 23, 2009, 11:33 AM
This is a good step for NY, I hope… I may be able to finally send a letter to one of my senators saying I approve of something they do.

Caliban
January 23, 2009, 11:40 AM
I may be able to finally send a letter to one of my senators saying I approve of something they do.

i just did it for the first time too! well, i sent paterson a thank you email.

unfortunately she defends her pro-gun stance as being from a hunting family and wanting to protect hunters, so she's a bit of a fudd, but still about a thousand times better than anyone else who was being considered and a gigantic leap in the right direction for ny. huzzah.

feedthehogs
January 23, 2009, 12:19 PM
You people do know that the NRA forms sent out or requested from politicians can be filled out to make the candidate appear to be gun friendly when in fact they are not don't you.

The NRA does not follow up to check if the info is correct.

One of the reasons I quit being an EVC was for this very problem. I knew of many anti gun politicians who got positive NRA ratings because of false forms :eek:.

Don't take a positive rating from the NRA as meaning anything. Their ILA branch is sadly lacking good leadership and organization.

hnk45acp
January 23, 2009, 01:03 PM
contact info to thank paterson:
http://161.11.121.121/govemail

Lone_Gunman
January 23, 2009, 01:30 PM
The boneheads on some other forums seem to not like her just because she is a Democrat, but from what I see about her record, she looks pretty good coming from NY.

Dominus
January 23, 2009, 01:53 PM
All things considered, I think shes the best we could have gotten from a state heavily leaning to the left.
There are a lot of people in the state that do hunt as a way to reduce their food budget.

cbsbyte
January 23, 2009, 02:04 PM
Good news for RKBA. Its good to see some people on this site realize that not all dems are bad. The troubling thing is she has to survive a special election next year against Mario Cuomo's son. I pretty sure it will be hard for her to win against him.

Titan6
January 23, 2009, 02:07 PM
Almost Excellent. Looks like she went the way of partial appeasement.

From her Website:

I, like many natives of Upstate New York, grew up in a hunting family and own a gun. I learned at an early age how to safely handle a gun and I believe that every law-abiding citizen should always have the right to own arms.

The Second Amendment of the Constitution prohibits the federal government from denying law-abiding citizens the right to keep and bear arms. And I intend to uphold this right through my votes and actions in Congress.

In September of 2007, I introduced a resolution to make Hunting and Fishing Day - the 4th Saturday in September - a nationally recognized holiday. I have also cosponsored a resolution to recognize hunters for their continued commitment to safety.

In Congress I have also sponsored measures to protect and open up more federal land for conservation programs that will promote and allow hunters and fishermen to enjoy their passion for the outdoors.

However, I also believe that we must do more to enforce of current laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and persons with violent mental instability. Keeping our streets and communities safe is important to all of us, and lawbreakers need to know that they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law if they illegally seek to own or possess weapons.

That is why I supported the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Improvement Act (HR 2640) to provide incentives to states to update the Brady background check system to ensure that current laws are upheld as efficiently as possible. This was a common sense - bipartisan bill that was supported by the National Rifle Association (NRA) and The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Better than HC? I might have even voted for her.

texas bulldog
January 23, 2009, 02:20 PM
You people do know that the NRA forms sent out or requested from politicians can be filled out to make the candidate appear to be gun friendly when in fact they are not don't you.

The NRA does not follow up to check if the info is correct.

One of the reasons I quit being an EVC was for this very problem. I knew of many anti gun politicians who got positive NRA ratings because of false forms.

Don't take a positive rating from the NRA as meaning anything. Their ILA branch is sadly lacking good leadership and organization.

notice the wiki article also says she has a 100% record on gun-rights votes in addition to the A rating. now, we're not talking about a large sample size, but if you want a source other than the NRA rating, please note that she co-sponsored the bill to ban gun registrations and trigger-lock laws in DC. link here (http://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Kirsten_Gillibrand_Gun_Control.htm).

frankly, i'll chalk this up as a win...and an unexpected one at that.

lanternlad1
January 23, 2009, 02:55 PM
I thought this was very telling...

"U.S. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, who wasn't among the 10 to 20 people Paterson said applied for the Senate appointment, immediately criticized the expected pick. McCarthy, whose husband was killed by a gunman on the Long Island Railroad, said Gillibrand's support of more conservative issues such as gun ownership rights was out of step with most New York Democrats."

T.S. for you, McCarthy. Out of step with most NY Dems is a GOOD thing for the rest of us...

Coronach
January 23, 2009, 03:10 PM
Yeah, sometimes you can best tell how good a choice is by who gets their knickers in a twist over it. Knowing nothing about Gillebrand, the mere fact that McCarthy is fuming about it makes me giggle.

Mike

kentucky bucky
January 23, 2009, 03:10 PM
Cuter than Hitllery could mean alot of things. Do you mean she doesn't make you vomit?

SCKimberFan
January 23, 2009, 03:26 PM
She may be cuter than Hillary (who isn't), but not nearly as good looking as SARAH!

Titan6
January 23, 2009, 03:38 PM
I tried to go back to her website to get her bio and it is down. :D

the mere fact that McCarthy is fuming about it makes me giggle

:D :D :D :D :q

roscoe
January 23, 2009, 07:40 PM
This is actually pretty big: a pro-gun Democrat Senator coming out of New York. The more pro-gun Democrats, the less gun control becomes a party line issue. Certainly she sounds like a Western Democrat - more of a libertarian, from my read of her positions.

If she has staying power she may well be a big help to us for a long time, considering how young she is. She sounds smart and well connected, not to mention a great fund-raiser.

Man, here's to hoping.

Enough of the cute/ugly stuff, however. We should be above that kind of sandbox stuff here at THR.

Lone_Gunman
January 23, 2009, 08:00 PM
Enough of the cute/ugly stuff, however. We should be above that kind of sandbox stuff here at THR.

I agree. Whenever a new female politician comes on the scene, there is always talk about her appearance. This was done with Sarah Palin. Whether you think she is pretty or ugly is unimportant to her politics. And by making comments about her physical appearance, you diminish her as a leader.

Even Republicans were doing this to Palin. Remember when Rush Windbag called Palin a "babe"? It takes her from being a serious politician to simply the inspiration for your next masturbatory session.

COK
January 23, 2009, 08:37 PM
I was pleasantly surprised by her pick compared to the other names that had been floating around. When the news broke on my local radio station that she had been picked one of the few things they said about her was that she was supported by the NRA.
At least she comes from a family that hunts not like most of our major political canidates from NYC that have never had any exposure to hunting or fishing. People tend to overlook that a lot of NY State is still pretty rural when you get 50-100 miles away from NYC or the other large metropolitan areas.
I hope she does well.

HoosierQ
January 23, 2009, 08:40 PM
All the other NY politicians are freaking out but this is really good news. A democrat who is 100% with the NRA. So that is really good.

Riss
January 23, 2009, 10:15 PM
Instantly opening a rift among New York Democrats, Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand a little-known, pro-gun Democrat from a rural Republican district won appointment Friday to the Senate seat left vacant by Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Before the governor even took the podium to introduce Gillibrand, anti-gun crusader Rep. Carolyn McCarthy said she would challenge Gillibrand in the Democratic primary next year, or find someone who would. Gillibrand has a 100 percent voting record with the National Rifle Association.

Tom Connors
January 23, 2009, 10:23 PM
Does anyone beside me think Paterson's pro-gun, pro-hunting senate choice had anything to do with New York's sportsmen going balistic over Paterson closing a pheasant game farm.

The governor did a quick 180 turn on his position after his office was flooded with thousands of letters and phone calls.

So many phone calls that I heard today they had to shut down the switchboard they were so overwhelmed.

Maybe he figured pheasants can't vote but sportsmen can.

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