[Judicator]

Anyone ever purchased/used one of these kits? I'd love to be able to shoot .22 through my six-gun, if it works decent enough.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=488338

[Chicken-Farmer]

From reading the ad, it doesn't appear that there is any barrel insert. Sure the chambers are .22 but the revolvers barrel is still .45. At best i would think this is a $50 noise maker! Now if it came with a .22 barrel sleeve then the accuracy would be greatly improved

[JonF]

I saw those and wondered how the .22 bullet doesn't bounce around and bang the heck out of the cavernous .45 barrel as its fired and the gun recoils?

[4v50 Gary]

If those short adapter tubes are rifled, it should be long enough for the 22 to travel through the barrel without bouncing all over the place.

[FSJeeper]

I opened the pic and zoomed in on them. They are not rifled.

Chicken Farmer catorgized them properly, $50 noise makers.

[krs]

In general I think it's safe to say that if the sportsman's guide has them then they were not a market success.

He buys out of date, out of production, or otherwise failed products and sells them as he can.

Don't get me wrong: I love the place and have been an ongoing customer since the days he started mailing out catalogs. But sometimes you've just got to realize that what he has may not be the state of an art.

If they're not rifled I'd have a hard time trying those things. If they were, maybe..

[rcmodel]

Well, even if they were rifled, they have to be bored off-center to get the CF firing pin to hit the RF rim.

So how do you tell if you got them all loaded right so the firing pin hits the rim, instead of the edge of the steel chamber insert?

Rifled or not, I think,...... No, I know I'd pass!

rc

[expvideo]

I opened the pic and zoomed in on them. They are not rifled.

You're seeing the chamber side. The chamber is never rifled. The muzzle side is not pictured. So I would assume that they are rifled. However since the optimal rifling for a .22 is 1:16 (I think), and these have about 1" of barrel, I doubt the 1/16th of a rotation is going to help stabilize the bullet much anyway. Besides, is the bullet going to be free of the barrel before it recoils?

[krs]

They are bored off center for the pin strike, rc, it's pretty easy to see. Hopefully they come with instructions telling owners how to orient them 'cause there sure ain't no keyway in my chambers. LOL!

Nice looking block of wood though...

Wait! I know how you tell if you got the thing chambered right side up or whatever..........the pistol won't fire if you do it wrong. It's foolproof!

[Vern Humphrey]

One problem is orientation in the chamber. They all have to be at the same position to even have a prayer of shooting a decent group.

[expvideo]

One problem is orientation in the chamber. They all have to be at the same position to even have a prayer of shooting a decent group.

Hell, the barrel is too short for a decent group. They look like they're made to shoot minute of pop can.

[rcmodel]

CCI .22 shot-shells?

rc

[krs]

Maybe .22 caliber flares would be fun......if you could see them.

[Vern Humphrey]

Hell, the barrel is too short for a decent group. They look like they're made to shoot minute of pop can.

I must admit to a fascination with subcaliber devices. I've got three -- a Ciener for the M1911, an original Colt Service Ace for the M1911, and a Hammond Game Getter in .30-06.

But I think I'll pass on this beast.

[Paul Calligaro]

I got the new 22 conversion kit for my sig p220. It is well made. Has slide, barrel , recoil rod, spring, and one mag. Mine shoots great. Easy to exchange with old slide. Makes the gun lighter. Less recoil is nice for us older guys with painfull hands. I have shot 400 rounds. Used 100 each of CCI mini mags, Remington golden, bullets, cheep Wal Mart Federal, and Wicnester hi power. No FTE except with the Winchester. It cost $300 but worth it. I love shooting my P220 but the recoil was causing too much hand pain and the cost of 45 ammo is getting out of sight.

[ArmedBear]

Note that the SG kit has offset chambers so that a standard centerfire firing pin will work with .22 rimfire.

I think it's entirely possible that the bullets might occasionally bounce off the bore.

I don't think it's possible that this gun is as accurate as a NAA Mini Revolver, and while I can blast cans out to maybe 10 paces with mine, I sure wouldn't use it for Thursday night bullseye league.:)

[JonF]

Numrich sells the same item and describes them as having polygonal rifling.

http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=765880&chrSuperSKU=&MC=

[ArmedBear]

Could they possibly fit in the chambers tightly enough to truly be accurate?

Are chambers really THAT close-tolerance? Having resized brass, I'm thinking they're not.

[krs]

Numrich sells the same item and describes them as having polygonal rifling.

Numrich will let you buy just one to try out. That's probably a smart way to try to get rid of them.

Numrich's price for six is higher than SG's and you don't get a pretty wooden holder for them.

Good photo though, if anyone has any doubts about their configuration.

Some genius's brainstorm - probably thought he'd be a millionaire from it. Oh well, maybe next time.

Thomas Edison had to try a lot of filaments before he found one that worked.

[Claude Clay]

was heard to mutter--i haven't failed; i have just found ten thousand ways that do not work.

but eventually he did see the light

[owlhoot]

I bought two sets of those things several years ago. They will easily let you hit a big cowboy type target from standard cowboy range. And if you want to use them for that kind of practice, they will work just fine.

They aren't much good for plinking at pop cans at fifteen yards. Mine didn't shoot to point of aim in any of my guns. YMMV.

You may or may not be able to easily eject spent rounds depending on the shape and diameter of your ejector rod.

The bullets will not bounce down the barrel. Don't worry.

I used mine to inexpensively learn to (semi) fast draw/hip shoot accurately with a revolver in each hand, and for that, they worked quite well since I was simply pointing the barrel and not using the sights. When I transitioned to the .45's I was still able to roll a can fairly consistently at 30 to 35 feet with either hand.

So whether these inserts are a good deal will depend entirely on what you want to do with them and your level of patience. You certainly won't endanger your local squirrel population, but I had a ball with them hip shooting.

By the way, lest I lead any of you into what is potentially an unsafe practice, let me caution you that when shooting live ammunition and coming from the leather in a hurry, do not insert your finger into the trigger guard until the barrel is heading down range. Practice with an empty gun until that is deeply ingrained in your muscle memory.

[ArmedBear]

Or better yet, use wax bullets like the people who do fast draw competition.

http://www.cowboyfastdraw.com/

[bztian]

Can somebody measure the length of these little guys for me? I wonder if they fit a R&D 45 conversion cylinder for 1851? Thank you.