Why am I shooting to the left with my glocks?


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H1500308
January 24, 2009, 10:07 PM
Why do all my glocks shoot to the left of point of aim? From what I've read this seems to be more the shooter than the gun.

I've tried changing my grip, using the 1st digit of my trigger finger....etc but I'm always shooting left with my G19, 17, 21, 34.

What is causing this and how can I remedy it.

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CPshooter
January 24, 2009, 10:11 PM
I believe "low and to the left" is the end-result of flinching due to the anticipation of recoil.

The Glock's trigger stroke can be difficult to master as far as accuracy goes. I would just dry-fire some more and try and get your mind off of anticipating the recoil!

Jason_G
January 24, 2009, 10:16 PM
Tough to diagnose these things from a computer, but if you are shooting 9 o'clock, then it's probably not flinch. Flinching usually throws it off in a vertical direction as well as horizontal, leaving most righties shooting low and left.

If you are shooting left, but you are ok vertically, then the problem more than likely can be traced to your trigger pull. You are probably not coming straight back with the trigger. You might be mashing it as well. Concentrate on pulling the trigger straight back with even pressure until it breaks. It ought to surprise you when it happens.

Jason

Oro
January 24, 2009, 11:08 PM
What is causing this and how can I remedy it.

Dry firing is the answer - even without getting into a deep diagnosis of the problem. Practice against a well-lit back drop that let's you see what the sight picture does as you pull the trigger. Practice until it doesn't change through the pull.

Then keep practicing dry firing like this weekly to keep any flinching or bad habits from creeping back. I have read that some top competitors do HUGE amounts of dry firing to keep their trigger pull in top shape sometimes over 50 or 70%.

alelks
January 24, 2009, 11:10 PM
Also look at where you place your finger on the trigger. If you place it too far towards the tip of your finger you will have a tendency to push the weapon to the left when you pull the trigger. Too far away from the tip can have the opposite effect.

HorseSoldier
January 24, 2009, 11:15 PM
Over gripping with your firing hand if you're right handed can produce grouping off to the left. And +1 on the trigger manipulation being a possible cause as well.

Like Jason_G said, it's hard to diagnose from a couple sentences of description without seeing your target or your grip and stance.

alelks
January 24, 2009, 11:22 PM
Here's a good diagram:

http://www.atvgraphics.org/Shooting/Target_chart.gif

Steve C
January 24, 2009, 11:25 PM
Align the pistol in the hand so that its barrel axis alignes directly up your arm, use only the pad under the finger nail to to press the trigger. Here's a good video on proper pistol hold and finger position.
http://vaguninfo.com/videos/toddjarrett.htm

Texshooter
January 24, 2009, 11:29 PM
Because that is the way Glocks are designed to naturally shoot.

It is not you.

wep45
January 24, 2009, 11:55 PM
the correction target in post #7 reads "no follow through" at the 10/11 o'clock position.

what is 'follow through" ??

HorseSoldier
January 25, 2009, 12:06 AM
Follow through is driving the sights back on target and getting another good sight picture after you fire the round. Kind of the same principle as not popping your head up after firing with a rifle to see where your round went.

Snarlingiron
January 25, 2009, 12:08 AM
You have received a lot of good suggestions, with the exception of the ludicrous notion that Glocks are designed to shoot to the left.

The one area that no one has mentioned unless I missed it is your grip. I have helped several folks remedy this very issue just by changing their grip technique. Use the layered thumbs technique and get as much meat on the grip as you can.

Here is a pretty good photo and article.

http://www.handgunsmag.com/tactics_training/combatg_100306/index2.html

Try this one for follow through. It's a somewhat complex subject.

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/training.htm

Ohio Gun Guy
January 25, 2009, 12:12 AM
"The wheel of misfortune" :D

Can I buy a vowel?

Ohio Gun Guy
January 25, 2009, 12:14 AM
Could it be the sights?

If you are consistant, adjust the sights and dont change anything.

The next person to shoot it may very well shoot to the right.

CPshooter
January 25, 2009, 12:38 AM
Because that is the way Glocks are designed to naturally shoot.

It is not you.Uhh??? I hope you are joking.

For the record: Glocks are not designed to shoot to the left. They are designed to shoot POA like any other well-designed gun that is shooting accurately.

Texshooter
January 25, 2009, 09:57 PM
then why do so many, if not a majority, of people shoot Glocks to the left when they shoot point of aim naturally with almost all other pistols?

Perhaps designed is not the correct way to put it, but how many times have you seen, talked to, heard of shooters having to adjust the way they naturally shoot just to get the Glock to shoot poa?

Or is the OP just off their rocker?

BsChoy
January 26, 2009, 07:46 AM
Texshooter, I would have to say as a LEO firearms instructor most people start out with an anticipation issue and unless instructed or practiced out of it, they will perpetually shoot low left...its the nature of the beast

burningsquirrels
January 26, 2009, 08:03 AM
the todd jarett video linked earlier is pretty much one of the best guides out there.

the bullet going left to right is usually trigger control.

have a friend load your magazines for you with three live rounds and two snap caps, and to put them in a random order. when you run into the snap cap, you'll see in what direction the front sight goes. this drill helped me when i was starting out, and i was able to shake (most of :D) my bad habits.

i use the area about halfway between the tip and the knuckle on my trigger finger.


grip related:
what also pulls the bullet to the left or right, with some shooters, is they put their support hand index finger on the front of the trigger guard, and end up yanking the gun in the direction of their support hand when they pull the trigger. the other 'cup-and-saucer' method, may be attributed to how they cup the bottom of the grip. i don't recommend using either grip...

mgkdrgn
January 26, 2009, 08:39 AM
using the 1st digit of my trigger finger...
What is causing this and how can I remedy it.

Trigger control. The Glock -is- a little different.

Trigger goes on the middle of the pad of the last joint of your trigger. However, the movement must be from the NEXT joint, so that the trigger is pulled STRAIGHT back.

Pull back to remove the slack. STOP. Now, continue to squeeze, pulling STRAIGHT back, until it fires. Just move the finger, don't squeeze with the rest of your hand.

This can all be practiced as a DRY FIRE exercise. Check to see gun is unloaded, mag is empty. NO ammo in the room, anywhere. Check again to see that gun/mag is empty. Designate a point to fire at that has enough of a backstop to catch a bullet. Check again to see that gun/mag is empty.

Practice, practice, practice.

jocko
January 26, 2009, 08:41 AM
if he does that he best order another glock trigger for my bet he is jerking that gun so bad that he will break the trigger if he hits a snap cap. Trust me as you know those puppies will show you your faults really fast. It ain't the glock.

If he is consistent, then also move the site, you can master a bad habit..

burningsquirrels
January 26, 2009, 08:49 AM
i would absolutely not move the sight so long as they point exactly where the bullet is going. if you adjust a gun to your bad habits, you'll be screwed the moment you move to a different gun. adjusting sights are a band-aid...

i'm not saying he's jerking the trigger bad: just saying that as long as his grip is correct, he is probably curling his finger in some manner that makes the gun go left just before the striker is let loose. glock triggers have that vertical pattern on them, and it's easy to 'push' the gun to one side or the other as your finger pad moves backwards.

when i shot my XD with the same vertical pattern on it for the first time, i had to adjust my trigger squeeze a little for that left shooting problem that didn't show up on my smooth surfaced triggers on my CZs. i now carry that small change i made across all my guns, so i no longer have that left-problem when i pull the trigger on smooth or vertical textured pattern triggers.

GregGry
January 26, 2009, 09:24 AM
A friend had this problem, and I noticed the rear sight seemed to be a bit moved. I corrected it, and gave it back to him. He still shot to the left on the range. Hum.. I gave him a rest to shoot it from, and I watched him at the range. Still shot to the left and a bit low. I said, well hell, let me shoot it. First shot went right through the bullzeye, second shot was just above it. I handed it back and didn't really say anything. To this day he still claims its the gun.

burningsquirrels
January 26, 2009, 09:25 AM
i agree, lots of people try to blame the gun instead of themselves.

RickW
January 26, 2009, 09:26 AM
I had this same problem with a Kahr CW 40. I would ALWAYS shoot to the left with it no matter what I did and how hard I tried not to. What I did was; got rid of the CW 40 unfortunately as I could not see having to learn how to shoot a gun that just wasn't a good fit for me.

I now have an SA XD9SC that I do not have this problem. I shoot the XD very good imo.

Lumpy76
January 26, 2009, 12:58 PM
Alelks, that's a good chart way back in this thread. I printed it out and threw it in my range bag to help me and others I go with. Thanks.

PhillyGlocker
January 26, 2009, 01:17 PM
Because that is the way Glocks are designed to naturally shoot.

It is not you.
Do not listen to this poster. It is you who's shooting to the left.

GRIZ22
January 26, 2009, 01:36 PM
The agency I worked for switched to Glocks in 1997-98. 90% of the guns were shooting left. Drift sight to right and that's the end of the problem.

Claude Clay
January 26, 2009, 01:37 PM
....to the left--

that is why the liberals dislike this gun the least

Beagle-zebub
January 26, 2009, 01:43 PM
that is why the liberals dislike this gun the least

Are you kidding? It's one of those "plastic guns" that supposedly can't be picked up by metal detectors.

CWL
January 26, 2009, 01:51 PM
Something that people forget is that Glocks have largish grips. Someone with smaller hands need to "stretch" their grip and this affects finger alignment and trigger pull.

Do you have the same results when firing guns that have smaller grips?

Ghost Tracker
January 26, 2009, 02:36 PM
Do a series of v-e-r-y slow, deliberate dryfire trigger squeezes. Pick a target on the wall, hold aim & close your eyes, break the shot, then open your eyes. Notice if your sights are now aiming left of target. If so, then it's just a matter of learning the GLOCK trigger. If your sights are still on target, then adjust your sights. Hope this helps.

Texshooter
January 26, 2009, 08:42 PM
Ah yes, a ton of shooters can take their Rugers, Sigs, S&W, Colt, Taurus, Beretta, RIA, Springfields and shoot exactly point of aim. Yet they put a Glock in their hands and guess where it goes?

Course, nothing is ever wrong with a Glock. It is always some other fault.

Not saying Glocks are not good, just saying that for most people, when they grip the gun and point the gun naturally, the Glock will shoot left.

Face it drinkers.

Mike J
January 26, 2009, 08:59 PM
Shot my neighbors Glock 23 a while back & grouped better with it than I did my XD-40 Texshooter & I'm not a Glock fanboy. I've only ever shot 2 glocks & they both seemed pretty good to me. There are other things about the design I'm apprehensive about though.
As for the OP's question. I had an ex LEO ex bro-in-law show me a few things-one he suggested that helped a lot was dry fire practice-Make sure the gun is empty-then make sure it is empty again. Balance a penny on the front sight & practice your trigger pull. If you snatch the trigger it'll fall off. About 10 -15 minutes a night of this can make a big difference at the range. Another site you might look at is www.corneredcat.com it is designed for women but there are excellent articles there on grip, stance, selecting a gun that fits your hand etc. Lots of good info for any shooter

Mello
January 26, 2009, 09:13 PM
Physiologically, your fingers tend to work together. The long heavy trigger pull of the Glock requires that the trigger finger pull longer and harder than on a 1911 trigger.

When the index/trigger finger is flexed, the other finger flex to some extent in sympathy. All for of the fingers flexor tendons are attached to the flexor digitorum profundus. The primary muscle responsible for the fexion of the index finger is the flexor carpi radialus. You can train yourself to reduce the sympathetic contraction of the other three fingers through proper repetitive training.

Texshooter
January 27, 2009, 11:09 AM
Mike J,

Yes I have done that as well and I think for most folks it has merit. Whatever works you know.

But my point is that, I believe, most people do not have to go through that song and dance with most of the pistols they shoot to make them shoot POA.

A lot of drinkers can not accept it.

Mike J
January 27, 2009, 06:46 PM
I understand Tex-I actually did that trying to learn the double action pull on my Ruger P-94 .40-a lot longer harder trigger than a Glock.

Ben86
January 27, 2009, 06:57 PM
Funny, I shot my g22 to the right when I first got it. It was because I wasn't pulling the trigger straight back. And sense I am right handed it went right.

Find out whatever you are doing to cause the point of aim to drift left. Between the time you decide to pull the trigger and when the bullet has left the barrel you must be doing something to alter your original point of aim.

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