Jennings J-22 oppinions for wife


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Long_Range_Mauser
January 26, 2009, 07:58 PM
Okay so i am looking for a purse gun for my wife. Ran across the J-22 at local gun shop for $90. What are your thoughts about these guns.

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gotime242
January 26, 2009, 08:04 PM
Never in my life would i trust a j22 to defend a loved one.

I have one, and have shot others. They are all mostly unreliable and not anything that should be used for any kind of defense. Its more of a tool-box, plinker gun.

Maybe try to find a used .38 revolver. They can be found on the cheap.

Joshua M. Smith
January 26, 2009, 08:05 PM
NO!

Jennings are not good guns to begin with, being made fairly cheaply. In fact, that used one is going for what they used to go for new.

As well, the .22 rimfire rounds are not as reliable as centerfire.

If you want small and light, go with a S&W J-frame revolver in .38spl, lightweight if you can afford it.

Josh <><

greenr18
January 26, 2009, 08:11 PM
Buy a Beretta 21A Bobcat in .22 instead.

Apple a Day
January 26, 2009, 08:16 PM
I have one. NOT a good SD gun. If you were local I'd give it to you for a song but I surely wouldn't advise it for your wife.
"safety" is atrocious. Unreliable.
If you're set on a very small caliber then may I recommend you look at a .25 caliber Beretta Bobcat or a .22 magnum snubbie?
Good luck to you and best to the wife.

mrt949
January 26, 2009, 08:18 PM
NO had one in 1980 .went auto .sent it back .junk :eek::what:

Long_Range_Mauser
January 26, 2009, 08:18 PM
What about a .380. Local shop sells Hi-Points for $145.

pith43
January 26, 2009, 08:23 PM
Friends don't let Friends shoot Byco / Jennings.

Goes double for family. Do a search for Gun for Wife, you will come up with a huge amount of info.

bglz42
January 26, 2009, 08:24 PM
I have one. It's junk. If you want a really high quality firearm that's small and reliable, buy an NAA mini. I know, some folks will say it's a pipsqueek... but's it's better than a knife. Mine, and my wife's, NAA's are over 15 years old and have been carried daily. Never failed once...

Long_Range_Mauser
January 26, 2009, 08:27 PM
My family name is shamed. LOL at least we make good music and bows

saturno_v
January 26, 2009, 08:29 PM
Makarovs in excellent conditions (maybe some are even new, I don't know exactly) run at about $120-150 around here.

Tough (they are military grade pistols after all), reliable and with more stopping power than the little 22.

I think is the cheapest, reliable and acceptable power wise choice nowdays for a small pistol for purse/coat pocket use.

For the same money (around $150) you may find a good small used .32 semiauto or a well used but still functionally sound .38 special revolver of much more reputable brands than Jennings.

You can still get the smallest Hi-Point pistol brand new for the same money but it is significantly more heavy, bigger and lack an external hammer. It is ok as nightstand gun in a pinch.

Still for that tight budget, I would go the Makarov route.


Please don;t make a mistake and leave Jennings/Bryco/Lorcin/Jimenez alone...in the garbage where they belong.

Jason_G
January 26, 2009, 08:32 PM
Just like everyone else has stated, I would never trust my wife's life to a Jennings, Bryco, Raven, Jimenez, or any of the other names these cheap guns might be sold under. I know some guys however, that would be happy to let their X-wives' trust their lives to one :uhoh:. Seriously though, I know someone who had a Jennings .22 that was fairly reliable, but his was that "one in a million". Not worth risking a life on. Get her something dependable, and preferably in a caliber no smaller than .380.

Jason

fishingjld
January 26, 2009, 08:34 PM
utterly unreliable. i had one and got rid of it.

broken
January 26, 2009, 08:36 PM
its better to not even say jennings or bryco around here,i did a few posts down but it was on a .380,i did look up the j22 on mouseguns.com and its a jammamatic.ill keep my pa63 and the my little red headed boss will get a revolver,she weighys 110 lbs and cant even rack a slide on a auto.do they even make a small revolver in .32 magnum.maybe .38,just an idea.good luck.

pmeisel
January 26, 2009, 09:19 PM
Have one and it's ok as a toy. (Bought it on a whim). If you absolutely can not spend any more it is better than nothing, but I would recommend the cheapest revolver of any caliber as more reliable and effective. I have an inexpensive 22 single action revolver I would trust more.

Long_Range_Mauser
January 26, 2009, 09:21 PM
how bout bonnie edition .32 mag

Greg.B
January 26, 2009, 09:22 PM
Jennings/Jimenez/Bryco...all are considered "Saturday Night Specials". They're fun guns to play around with. I have a Jimenez J22 that's actually very reliable after doing some tuning and polishing on it. I shoot it quite a bit, and it's almost always in my jacket pocket or the truck for when that unexpected free time for plinking happens to turn up. However, they are far from ideal for personal protection.

I understand looking for a weapon for your wife...I understand wanting to save money...but, get the best you can possibly afford. After all, isn't she worth it ;)

Long_Range_Mauser
January 26, 2009, 09:26 PM
......maybe....:)

kludge
January 26, 2009, 09:49 PM
For $239 she can have a reliable, dependable Bersa Thunder 380, a Kel-Tec P32 or P-3AT.

A Makarov would also be light years ahead for not much more than the Jennings.

If she really must have a .22 for self defense, get a revolver; .22 autos are way too unrelaible for self defense, much less a Jennings. And while you're at it make it a Magnum. (Charter has them cheaper, Taurus, and Smith have more expensive ones.)

jcwit
January 26, 2009, 10:15 PM
Just a hint, have your wife rack the slide before the 2 of you deside on an auto.

Don't know about you but me and my wife are older and she has arthritis and is limited on what she can pull back. Of course this means nothing if you carry one in the tube or buy a revolver.

Long_Range_Mauser
January 26, 2009, 10:16 PM
she can pull more than i can (lol) she has the vise grip hands.

Greg.B
January 26, 2009, 10:19 PM
......maybe....:)
hehe...I shouldn't have asked... :eek:

MachIVshooter
January 26, 2009, 10:21 PM
Jennings? Hi-point? Why are you so set on buying a cheap gun for your wife to defend herself with?

When I was married, I didn't bat an eye at $600 for a Beretta 84FS, because the woman you love is worth it (even though you may stop loving her at some point................)

NG VI
January 26, 2009, 10:21 PM
Don't buy that zinc mechanical device for her. At least Hi-Points seem to be reliable, only fifty bucks more and you can get a better gun in a decent caliber. Honestly if you can afford it try to buy one of the more mainstream, higher-quality manufacturers. A friend's sister had a Bryco 9mm that she thought was a Glock, apparently some ****** sold it to her as a Glock, she didn't know any better, not even better enought to realize when a gun says Bryco on the slide it isn't a Glock. If you can afford $300-500 you can get into the great used market and some great new pistols as well. Just not a jennings.

Long_Range_Mauser
January 26, 2009, 10:25 PM
cause i am a poor man is why. heck 600 dollars is almost two weeks pay

Jason_G
January 26, 2009, 10:26 PM
I was looking around for a concealable alternative for Mrs. Long Range Mauser...

Anyone know anything about these Charter Arms wheel guns? Here's a link (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/203). Never owned one personally. Are they reliable carry pieces?

Jason

gotime242
January 26, 2009, 10:27 PM
+1 on the bersa .380 idea.

I had one of those as well, GREAT gun...i would trust it no problem. Can be found for 199 or so new.

gotime242
January 26, 2009, 10:29 PM
Also this, for $180:

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/ProductImages/handguns/AC-M200-B.jpg

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AC-M200.aspx

jcwit
January 26, 2009, 10:42 PM
Long Range you will find on most gun sites money seems to be no object. No one seems to realize that some have to work on a budget, and family priorities come first.

Another thought, you say your wife wants a .22 cal. Why? Recoil? If thats the case remind her if the worse should ever happen recoil and its effect will never be noticed.

Long_Range_Mauser
January 26, 2009, 10:45 PM
no she just has never shot anything but a luger .22. She emptied it in about 1.5seconds :)

Thor Bloodax
January 26, 2009, 10:57 PM
Lots of good comments why the Jennings is NOT a self defense gun. My Hungarian Walther look alike (commonly called a Hungarian Mac) is totally reliable, harder hitting than a .380 and very accurate. The alloy frame makes it light weight for carrying. 9mm Luger = 9x 19. Makarov = 9X18. and .380 (aka 9mm short or Kurtz) = 9X17. You can do better than the Jennings with a LOT of other guns even on the cheap.

saturno_v
January 27, 2009, 12:42 AM
Long Range you will find on most gun sites money seems to be no object. No one seems to realize that some have to work on a budget, and family priorities come first.


Jcwit


We all realize that and nobody here is suggesting to buy a Glock or a Kimber....few of us suggested a Makarov wich can be had for $50 or less more than that Jennings deal the OP as talking about.

I realize the right of everybody to defend themselves but you should not go under certain minimum standards....and the Jennings/Bryco/Jimenez/Lorcin are well below that standard and I cannot suggest one to a guy asking for advice...life is too important.

A gun that jam or, worse, blows up when you need it is worse than no gun IMHO

makarovnik
January 27, 2009, 02:02 AM
I would second the idea of a Beretta 21A if a .22 is all the recoil she can handle.

I also like a Kel-Tec P32 with rubber slip on grip and finger extension on the bottom of the magazine.

Accurate, reliable, thin, light and recoil isn't bad.

Don't get me wrong, I have a Jennings J22 and it has always gone bang when I pulled the trigger except one time my thumb rubbed on the slide during recoil. Hold it with the thumbs down and it feeds everything, even standard velocity ammo with all lead bullets.

I wouldn't, however feel safe carrying it with one in the chamber. It's for plinking.

johnnylaw53
January 27, 2009, 07:01 AM
Long range mauser, you really should forget about the Jennings early in the early 80's I was looking for something to carry off duty made very little money so I know where you are. I got a Jennings 22lr and it just never work right at that time I really didn't know much about weapons. Bglz42 make a good suggestion the NAA mini's are good you should be able to get one close you your budget not the best for SD but better then most small auto's no matter who make it seem to me anyway the small auto's just seem to have some problems here and there I know there are people out there with Kel tec with 1000's of trouble free rounds out of their but I just hasn't ever had that kind of luck with a small auto the NAA will fire every time plus I understand the 22 is a lot cheaper so she can learn the weapon better.

be safe

skoro
January 27, 2009, 07:11 AM
Okay so i am looking for a purse gun for my wife. Ran across the J-22 at local gun shop for $90. What are your thoughts about these guns.


In the interest of domestic tranquility, take your wife to the gun shop. Let her pick out what she likes.

If you're not interested in peace on the home front, buy her that cheap junker. :D

burningsquirrels
January 27, 2009, 07:48 AM
if you really had to stuff it in apurse and be small, there's the small 32 auto and 380 kel tecs... i would get their p3AT. the 380 is considerably more powerful and about the same size as that paperweight. $90 is probably what it went for new. it's worth about $0.

jcwit
January 27, 2009, 09:49 AM
Jcwit


We all realize that and nobody here is suggesting to buy a Glock or a Kimber....few of us suggested a Makarov wich can be had for $50 or less more than that Jennings deal the OP as talking about.

I realize the right of everybody to defend themselves but you should not go under certain minimum standards....and the Jennings/Bryco/Jimenez/Lorcin are well below that standard and I cannot suggest one to a guy asking for advice...life is too important.

A gun that jam or, worse, blows up when you need it is worse than no gun IMHO

Well I see mentioned a $600 Beretta, and a a reasonable priced Bersa for $239, but remember he mentioned a 2 week paycheck of $600. Kinda tight money wise I
would think. Did I bring up Jennings/Bryco/ect./ect. or any other mfg. or are bringing other threads into this discussion? Further more show us substantive info regarding all these blown up handguns that you keep preaching about. Come on give us numbers and facts, lets see them. Not Isaw this one, or a buddy told me, or I read about, lets see some facts or are you just all hot air with something that happened once and no one knows all the particulars about. As the saying goes sh1t happens.

With all of the above being said not even you Saturno v, can bring me down to your level by continuing this argument. I'm gone, byby

burningsquirrels
January 27, 2009, 09:55 AM
if money is that tight... there's always pepper spray of some sort to help as a gap filler between now and a decent handgun purchase.

i would keep haunting the used counter for a sub $200 revolver or autoloader. minimum revolver really should be 38 special, or in an autoloader, a 380 auto. again, both should be able to be found for under $200 at the used counter. anything less than that ,you might be rolling dice as to whether or not it may work. there's also those PA-63 and other makarov pistols, but they may be hit or miss - but will work fine so long as you test it thoroughly.

jocko
January 27, 2009, 10:23 AM
if I didn't think to much of my wife, I would indeed buy her a jennings:neener::neener:

pith43
January 27, 2009, 10:27 AM
Pepper Spray is a good idea. Pepper Spray would actually do more to incapacitate someone than a .22 would.

It's funny to me that everyone I've heard of that actually have owned a Bryco / Jennings / etc., wouldn't recommend it as a self defense gun, but there are still a few fierce defenders (very few).;)

Funderb
January 27, 2009, 10:32 AM
I would pass on it.
I owned a jennings .380
it worked, that one maybe will, maybe wont,

spend a few extra dollars, please.

as said before, bersa is good.

burningsquirrels
January 27, 2009, 10:56 AM
+1 on the bersa... you can probably get them used for about 169-200 if you are able to. i carry mine when i need to go discreet as possible (summer/tux/suit) or as a BUG.

make sure you train her to disengage the thumb safety if you want her carrying condition one. if it's a purse gun, she'll be holding her purse in one hand and won't be able to rack the slide.

also, with a bersa, it's slim enough to where you may want to train her to carry inside the waistband.

if she can sew, then you can customize an $8 uncle mike's holster to fit the bersa pretty good; just need to take up a small amount of material around the trigger guard and the skin guard at the top. this way, if someone gets the jump on her and grabs her purse first, she won't be out of a firearm. additionally, he won't be in posession of the firearm if he gets away with the purse.

saturno_v
January 27, 2009, 10:58 AM
With all of the above being said not even you Saturno v, can bring me down to your level by continuing this argument. I'm gone, byby

Well...I apologize for giving some reasonable advice to a fellow shooter..if you call this "low level argument"...what can I say???

JBinMontana
January 27, 2009, 11:16 AM
I know I'm new here, as this is my 2nd post. But many have given you good sound advice on a gun purchase for the wife you love. I'm not new to firearms by any means, but please do not trust your wifes life to a Jennings anything.

Have your wife handle several handguns to see what fits her hand, as she will be the carrier of that firearm. Emptying a 22 in 1.5 seconds doesn't mean anything if #1 she can't hit well with it and #2 if it will not put an agressor down it is worthless. A small 22 like that is a belly gun at best, so please reconsider the Jennings because it could mean a whole lot of differance if things get nasty.

There are many small .38 snubbies that make great purse guns, for a pretty good price.

jcwit
January 27, 2009, 11:25 AM
Whatever you say saturno

saturno_v
January 27, 2009, 02:14 PM
Whatever you say saturno

Someday I hope you will explain to me why I lowered the level of discussion. I thank you in advance for that.

jocko
January 27, 2009, 03:10 PM
owned a J22, but was in gun business for 40 years and if not everyone, damn near every Jennings we sold had to go back at least once. I can't say I ever had a customer come back and say , "great gun" just put a 100 rounds through it.

they looked fairly nice but they IMO were junk. We finally just quit selling them, as it was costly sending them back and most every customer was not happy about it either.

But some where I read where they made over 2 million of those guns, so I guess "junk does sell".

saturno_v
January 27, 2009, 03:21 PM
Jocko

You are lowering the level of the discussion.... ;);)

jocko
January 27, 2009, 03:25 PM
about that, just trying to give a dealer perspective on the Jenning line of different names.

We sold the J22 for $69, can't recall what we sold the 380 for. Sold more chrome than the black versions, by far.

jcwit
January 27, 2009, 04:32 PM
saturno v

I knew you lacked the capacity to comprehend, its been evident all along.

ds/ks
January 27, 2009, 04:38 PM
I had one 25 years ago, it flew apart within 50 rds. Used Smith or Ruger in 38spl/357mag is where I'd lean.

jocko
January 27, 2009, 04:55 PM
got that far though??? 50 rounds???:neener::neener:

saturno_v
January 27, 2009, 04:58 PM
saturno v

I knew you lacked the capacity to comprehend, its been evident all along.

Sad...isn't it?? Still you did not answered to my question yet...

jcwit
January 27, 2009, 05:29 PM
Yeah its sad alright.

You sir and I use that loosely, never answered the questions asked in post #37. Of course I realize that matters not a whit as it was not you who asked the question.

Yup its sad alright, been evident along.

Carl N. Brown
January 27, 2009, 05:59 PM
I will admit that I have a J22 that I sometimes carry in my field jacket pocket, loaded clip, empty chamber.

But . . . purse gun for my wife. Ran across the J-22 at local gun shop . . . I would not recommend it as a first time protection gun for a spouse, purchasing the gun sight unseen and untested. A used J22 (or even a new one) may be good or it may be messed up beyond recovery. I would put the 90.00 toward a more solid choice with more safety features for purse carry.

saturno_v
January 27, 2009, 06:38 PM
never answered the questions asked in post #37.


To answer to your post # 37

1) I'm not the one that suggested a $600 Beretta...I simply advised to spend $50 more to get a Makarov, if you read my post.

2) I saw two cases of malfunctioning and self destruct...witnessed personally at the range...do a quick web search on Jennings/Bryco/Lorcin/Raven and read the horror stories and impressions...I do not need to tell you....do your own homework.

3) I'm not biased against cheap guns at all......other than my S&W revolver I own cheap guns myself and I trust my life on them...my Bersa and my Kel-Tec.

Hi-Points are very reliable and tough and you can buy their .380 or 9 mm new for $130.....40 dollar more than the infamous used Jennings 22 the OP was offered at $90...he was being ripped off pure and simple.

There are cheap guns and there is dangerous junk....

4) 22 Long Rifle is inadequate for personal defense..if you take the VERY important decision to defend your life with a gun you shold get a device that you can trust and with reasonable effectiveness....I would never go under 32 ACP as the absolute minimum which is good even for weak hands...yes yes, grizzly bears have been killed with a 22...but you get the picture.

Same if you decide to drive a car...would you or would you let one of your family member go around with a car where there is the risk of the wheels falling off?? I do not think so....I hope

We did beat this dog to death in this and other posts but you still don't get it....

Average Joe
January 27, 2009, 06:45 PM
NO, don't do it. Jennings = junk.

jcwit
January 27, 2009, 07:00 PM
OK now we got somewhere.

I suggest you go back and reread all my posts on this thread, you seem to be trying to combine this thread with another.

Not once did I suggest a Jennings/Raven/Bryco or whatever. In face I believe you can note that

I leaned towards a revolver as a good choice to avoid the problem a lady may have racking the slide.

You and others brought up the Jennings/Bryco ect. mfg. I defended a place for mfg. of economy pistols. Again I never brought up the J/B/R/ ect., arms, you did.

I do believe a Makarov is a good choice, pepper spray is also a good alternative on the cheap.

Regarding how bad a certain firearm may be, to read the forums Kimber is not thought to highly by many, neither are some models of S/W.

tgh97531
January 27, 2009, 07:15 PM
I owned and sold my J22. Unreliable. Purchased a used Kel Tec P32 for $225. Great little gun, accurate, reliable, light weight,

saturno_v
January 27, 2009, 08:05 PM
OK now we got somewhere.

I suggest you go back and reread all my posts on this thread, you seem to be trying to combine this thread with another.

Not once did I suggest a Jennings/Raven/Bryco or whatever. In face I believe you can note that

I leaned towards a revolver as a good choice to avoid the problem a lady may have racking the slide.

You and others brought up the Jennings/Bryco ect. mfg. I defended a place for mfg. of economy pistols. Again I never brought up the J/B/R/ ect., arms, you did.

I do believe a Makarov is a good choice, pepper spray is also a good alternative on the cheap.

Regarding how bad a certain firearm may be, to read the forums Kimber is not thought to highly by many, neither are some models of S/W.


Well, the original poster asked about a Jennings so this is the reason why I was talking about them.

I totally agree with you about the revolver for a lady with a potential problem racking the slide...the other day I saw an old Bernardelli 32 S&W Long 4" barrel for $130 used...very good choice.

Some people do not like them but the old Charter Arms are good too if is in good shape...below $200 for decent specimen.

One of my few "brand" pistol was a Tanfoglio Witness...I had to get rid of it because of malfunctioning..my cheap pistols work so much better so I'm not biased toward the famous brand.


Cheap brands:

Makarov are good, Hi Point ok, Bersa excellent, Taurus very good (got their act together..not the older ones) RIA, excellent and others.

But when it comes to Bryco/Lorcin/Jennings/Raven...bad bad bad bad......as you said...better pepper spray or a goood knife.

DrLaw
January 27, 2009, 10:15 PM
Long Range. Try saving up a bit as opposed to jumping in on something that looks good at a low price. I know the feeling.

Some stores do lay-away as an option. When I was younger and poorer, I did that to get several guns. You might look into that.

I was going to comment that maybe this guy does not want to pay for a divorce, but I see from the other replies here you gave that you are serious about your wife's safety. If I lived in a state where we could have concealed carry, I would be worried, too. However, we cannot carry concealed here in Illinois, so why should I worry all the time, you can't, it'll drive you nuts.

Anyway, I would suggest a good small revolver like a Charter Arms or a used Smith & Wesson snub. You can find both in pawn shops or from dealers using Gunbroker (by cutting a deal with them outside of Gunbroker). If you wife can handle a semi-auto, there are a lot of good surplus small autos out there, as well as some new ones like the Bersa. John Browning used to carry his 1910 all around and shoot it on a regular basis. The only reason they aren't in favor now seems to be the reluctance to carry one with one in the chamber.

Mull your choices over, but don't jump at the first one. Your wife will appreciate the consideration

The Doc is out now. :cool:

C-grunt
January 28, 2009, 05:47 AM
I see the Jennings and Lorcins at work every so often. I now work in a nicer part of Phx. They are complete junk. You might get one that works, but I would bet money it wont. Plus like people have said, 90 bucks is more than they were new.

Think of it this way. If you had to buy her a car that one day without notice, she would have to drive 500 miles at high speed. If the car broke down she would die. Would you buy her a used Daewoo or a used Honda for a little more.

Check out JGsales.com. They have surplus pistols there for about 150 bucks I believe. Here is one also in a much more powerful caliber.
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/handguns/polish/p/polish-p64-9x18-makarov-double-action-walther-ppk-style-very-good-plus-condition/cPath/16_385/products_id/2453?osCsid=b9a7fdf1cd0694d6e82882492111e215

Truthfully, I would trust my life to the 80 dollar Nagant revolver they sell at J&G over that Jennings any day of the week. At least the Nagant is battle proven.

bikerdoc
January 28, 2009, 06:10 AM
I buy every jennings I can find, take them out about 15 miles offshore and scatter the parts!

richyoung
January 28, 2009, 02:44 PM
1. .22 rimfire, in any flavor, is not suitable for self defense. Due to its outside-lubed heel type bullet, and rimfire priming, it is too prone to contamination and failure to fire, especially when exposed to gun oils. Its fine for small game and plinking, but NOT slef-defense! If .22lr is the most recoil a person can handle, then get a handgun in .25 ACP, or a .38 Special revolver with very light target loads. If, as I suspect, she can handle more recoil, .32 S&W long, (can fired with shorts for practice) / .32 ACP should be a minimum for a defensive round. 32 H&R Magnum / 9X18 Mackorov / light .38 Special is even better.

2. I've owned a Jennings J22. Damned thing self-dis-assembled mid shot, and launched the striker backwards at warp 8 right at my right eye. Were it not for shooting glasses, I would look like a pirate right now. Morel?

A. Don't shoot without eye and ear protection.

B. Don't shoot a Jennings.

Duke of Doubt
January 28, 2009, 03:00 PM
That's a fine public service you perform, bikerdoc. Hope it doesn't take too big a chunk out of your walking-around money.

I'm not sure I've ever encountered a Jennings. Maybe I've seen them at shows and just overlooked them. They were illegal to sell in several places I've lived -- Maryland, for example, requires all pistol designs to pass a Gun Board -- and no dealer would be able to sell them, so they likely went across (or into) the river. In Maine, I can't imagine someone actually buying one, when Hi-Points are only a bit more and nowadays actually look pretty cool. I've read so much about the little things over the years, I'm actually kind of curious. But if I found one at a show, I think I'd avoid handling it for fear of breaking it (or even putting my prints onto it).

mbt2001
January 28, 2009, 03:35 PM
I would not carry a .22 as a primary gun. I have from time to time carried it as a backup, but I regard the rimfire primer to be generally unreliable.

That being said an NAA can be bought at Academy for like $175.00 or so. Small, reliable, why not?

Regarding Jennings, I actually have a few Bryco, Jennings, Lorcin .25's and .380's and find them to be OK guns. The caliber concerns me more than the gun itself in .25 and in .380 it is mag capacity. I have fired these guns and can tell you that 90% of what you just read on this entire thread is crap.

Sure the parts wear out, they do on any gun, replacement is cheap and easy. They are a carry often shoot seldom design. The safety doesn't lend itself to carrying condition 1, so you would be carrying condition 3, which is what I would expect from a purse gun anyway.

FYI, I bought my Lorcin and Sundance .25's for $45 each. If you buy a used gun plan an shooting it to find out which parts are worn, from there numerich can supply the replacements.

PM me for advice or post at http://bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/ if you do buy it. Don't bother here.

Summit gun broker is a good place to get the confiscated stuff cheap. He doesn't always have them, but it's worth a call / e-mail.

trekgod3
January 28, 2009, 03:40 PM
Can't go wrong with a Kel-Tec P3-AT or P32. As for a .25, you might be able to find a "baby" browning:

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk223/NicksGunPics/Baby%20Browning/IMG_23841024x768.jpg

Duke of Doubt
January 28, 2009, 03:43 PM
There's a Baby Browning for sale at a local shop, in nice shape. Cute little thing, and it'd slip right into a vest or coat pocket. But it's $199, and the .25ACP is an annoying little rodent exterminator round.

richyoung
January 28, 2009, 06:08 PM
Regarding Jennings, I actually have a few Bryco, Jennings, Lorcin .25's and .380's and find them to be OK guns. The caliber concerns me more than the gun itself in .25 and in .380 it is mag capacity. I have fired these guns and can tell you that 90% of what you just read on this entire thread is crap.


For the record, my J22 was puchased new in the box, scrupulously cleaned, and had all of 200 rounds through it when it pulled its little self-disassembly trick. They are zinc framed time bombs and I would not trust them for anything.

speedsix
January 28, 2009, 09:36 PM
If you still buy that gun after 100% of the replys were negative, you get what you deserve.

You asked a question and it was answered.

I had one, it was junk. I only paid $50 for it new and I feel it was not worth it. $90 is a joke. For $150, you can get a decent gun.

mbt2001
January 28, 2009, 11:32 PM
zinc framed time bombs

There is nothing wrong with Zinc frames... Jennings isn't the greatest quality in the world, but you folks are buying into an anti gun rub.

I have had as much trouble with Taurus guns as with Byrco / Lorcin et al. A little elbow grease and they can be made into a neat gun. I wouldn't dare try to gunsmith my name brand stuff, so these make nice hobbies. Usually can get them into shape and haven't had any real problems.

C-grunt
January 29, 2009, 02:30 AM
Yes but something that you have to put a little elbow grease into is a good hobby, not a good defensive tool. I dont want my next step in my hobby to show up when Im fighting for my families life.

Big Daddy Grim
January 29, 2009, 02:31 AM
horrible gun hell a hi-point would be better and there crap

C-grunt
January 29, 2009, 02:35 AM
But Hi-points tend to be actually quite reliable and sufficiently accurate.

They are ugly heavy beasts though.

jcwit
January 29, 2009, 04:46 AM
mbt2001hasfinally brought up one of the main points against these pistols, because of their price they have been maligned as a Sat. noght special and of no use whatsoever.

Maybe we should just tell the person that started this whole thread to buy his wife nothing as everything is out of his price range or budget this way she can be totally defenless and be at the mercy of whatever happens.

Would I personnally use this as my 1st line of defense, no, but its better than nothing.

Would any of you naysayers agree to start coming at me from the 25 yd. line with the knife of your choice while I attemped to defend myself with a .22 raven. Only a fool would answer yes to this question.

As stated its better than nothing till something better is affordable then said cheapo can be the perferable paper weight or tackle box gun.




As others stated "You just don't get it".

Just checked GB regarding prices on these and they range any where from $60.00 to $299.00. Of courst its not known what they will actually sell for and granted one is born every minute.

jcwit
January 29, 2009, 05:02 AM
I have heard the statement that you're just going to P!ss the perp off with one of these. Does he get p!ssed off with the 1st round or the 2nd rd. or the 3rd round or the 1 luckey one in the eyeball. Is that the one that finally p!sses him off.

Let the flaming begin once again as I have stated my 2 cents.

jcwit
January 29, 2009, 05:28 AM
For turther information regarding these firearms check out www.bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/bryco html.

Quote from the website:
If yor have any quote of a catastrophic failure please email this website. As far as the owner of this site has been able to research none have been presented in a court of law.

Regarding selling an unsafe arm:
Quote: Claimed but never proven in a court of law.

Seems like even the Calif, lawers were not even able to get this accomplished. Something fishy here.

C-grunt
January 29, 2009, 06:20 AM
There's not a whole lot of drug addicts are going to express their concerns to the owner of some website when their gun malfunctions or breaks during a drug deal gone bad.

If you like the firearm then use it. But many here have had enough problems with those brand of pistols to ever seriously recommend them to someone for protection.

I dont bad mouth them because of their price. I have stated in this thread that if money is an object look at a Nagant revolver. At least the Russians know how to build a tough reliable weapon.

mbt2001
January 29, 2009, 07:56 AM
Yes but something that you have to put a little elbow grease into is a good hobby, not a good defensive tool. I dont want my next step in my hobby to show up when Im fighting for my families life.

Actually, that is the point, once they have been properly cleaned and cared for they are not half bad guns.

People continue to diss these weapons buying into the Anti gun hype. The 1911's used to ONLY be considered reliable after they had been tweaked. Those fixes eventually got included in the factory guns.

When glocks first came out, the average poster would say they were junk, same with Hi point. Now, they don't say that so much.

I can sum up 99% of the problems with Bryco / Lorcin pistols.

1.) Burrs that cause snags, feed problems, etc.
2.) Using the wrong ammo (use American Eagle FMJ an no problems)
3.) Broken or weak extractor / Bad mag

I keep hearing, "THEY ARE ZINC CRAP". Do any of you KNOW the properties of zinc? I mean glocks are plastic, Smiths are strange alien alloys... *** is the problem with innovation?

Yeah, I would bring my just tweaked up Davis to a fight. I would prefer my glock or smith 9mm, but sometimes you don't get a choice. For a budget minded person, I would recommend they pick up a Davis .380 for $60.00 the way I did and start polishing the interior metal, feed ramp, replace the extractor, replace the magazine ejector if they have problems, order a new mag. Fire and evaluate. 90% of the time, once those fixes are made they turn into reliable guns. Kind of fun too.

expvideo
January 29, 2009, 09:44 AM
I care about my girlfriend's safety, so I bought her a Bersa Thunder .380. It is an incredible value. $250 for one of the most reliable .380s on the market.

A .38 revolver is the best bet, period. But the OP has stated that he is on a very low income, and the best deal you'll ever find on a decent .38 is about $200. You might get better, but not likely.

For a cheap gun, I would recommend getting a Makarov (sp?). They are built to be reliable and pretty powerful. They are the absolute best bang for the buck when it comes to cheap guns. Cheap guns are extremely unreliable (I'm talking about the Jennings/Bryco/Phoenix family), so finding something that will run as reliably as a makarov in that price range is just a gift from God... OK, it's a gift from godless commies, but still. It is just phenominal.

Another good gun for the money is the HiPoint. It is not a pretty gun. In fact, it is the single ugliest American made gun in history. But it's reliable, powerful and cheap. You can get a hipoint in 9mm, 40s&w, .45acp and even a somewhat compact .380 that isn't quite as ugly as the bigger ones.

chuckusaret
January 29, 2009, 10:57 AM
You would put your wifes life at risk with a $90 POS. First of all the gun is not worth $90. I have seen many turned in at Police Buy Backs for a $50 Wal Mart or K Mart gift card. There are many reliable mouse guns that sell for less than $300. My wifes safety is worth more than $90 to me, in fact she carries a NAA .380.

mbt2001
January 29, 2009, 11:06 AM
You would put your wifes life at risk with a $90 POS. First of all the gun is not worth $90. I have seen many turned in at Police Buy Backs for a $50 Wal Mart or K Mart gift card. There are many reliable mouse guns that sell for less than $300. My wifes safety is worth more than $90 to me, in fact she carries a NAA .380.

Congratulations for having a good job and more money than me...

Stop being dramatic... I have become bored of being castigated by folks and their "betting their life" remarks. I will say again, that in the final analysis we are ACTUALLY ALL betting our life on $0.05 primers and springs.

Another good gun for the money is the HiPoint.

ONLY Hi POINT CAN MAKE A CHEAP / RELIABLE GUN. NO ONE ELSE CAN... :barf:

Jimenez with the right ammo and a few tweaks can be a great gun. To heavy for CCW and not my first choice. Hi Point is about $100 more expensive.

Believe it or not folks, it is OK to think differently than "the herd"...

Duke of Doubt
January 29, 2009, 11:16 AM
expvideo: "Another good gun for the money is the HiPoint. It is not a pretty gun. In fact, it is the single ugliest American made gun in history."

This certainly used to be true. Their first line looked like water pistols (maybe they were supposed to). But have you seen their latest line? Black plastic instead of blue plastic, ergonomic grips instead of rectangular horrors, actual sights, etc. I think they've made a lot of progress. Now if only they'd switch that ridiculous shiny grip screw. Looks like you just got it at True Value Hardware for a nickel.

expvideo
January 29, 2009, 11:33 AM
ONLY Hi POINT CAN MAKE A CHEAP / RELIABLE GUN. NO ONE ELSE CAN...

Jimenez with the right ammo and a few tweaks can be a great gun. To heavy for CCW and not my first choice. Hi Point is about $100 more expensive.

Believe it or not folks, it is OK to think differently than "the herd"...
My opinions of the Ring of Fire pistols (if you don't know what "ring of fire" means, look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryco_Arms)) is from personal experience, not snobbery or negative hype.

My opinions about hipoint are also from personal experience, not hype.

Your experience may be different than mine, but if your ring of fire pistol can make it through a whole mag without stove-piping, you have yourself a very rare and valuable piece of history.

jcwit
January 29, 2009, 01:14 PM
Key word in your post expvideo is

"OPINION"

wyocarp
January 29, 2009, 01:25 PM
According to the blue book, the Jennings last suggested retail was $79. If it is 100%, it is worth maybe $65. As a self defense gun, it's worth is out of this world only if it doesn't jam or fails to fire, and is actually able to dispatch whatever one is shooting it at. The possibility of this maybe 10%. I like my wife a little more than that.

jcwit
January 29, 2009, 01:51 PM
Where do you get your facts wyocarp? Possibility of 10% lets see you substantiate this claim of yours with actual figures and facts, or are you just pulling numbers out of thin air.

Regaqrding Blue Book prices, tell us what the latest price for an AK or SKS is in the B/B verses what they are actually selling for. Or for that mater look up the civilian M16 and do a comparison.

Prices only count for what you can sell any item for. Is your local gas station trying to sell gas for $4.00 a gal yet.

wyocarp
January 29, 2009, 06:19 PM
jcwit, I can't quite comprehend why anyone would defend a $50 gun. My first objection to the OP buying this gun is that it is way overpriced and he clearly doesn't know that he is being taken to the cleaners. There is no reason for this gun to sell used for almost 15% higher than the Manufacturers Suggested Retail. Heck, they didn't even sell for that when they were being sold.

I currently know of two of them that are selling for $50. Why would anyone pay $90, especially if money is tight?

Finally, as for the 10% claim of mine. Have you owned one? If you haven't, then you are giving advice that you aren't qualified to give. Between jamming and stovepiping and feeding failures, I figure mine works well maybe 50%. When it does shoot, hitting a person in the torso would be difficult if not impossible to guarentee maybe half of that 50% percent of the time number from 15 feet. So, that would bring us down to about 25% effectiveness. Then, if we factor in that we are talking about a .22, which I agree will kill someone, but the reliability of this gun isn't such that I can count on emptying the magazine, I think I'm pretty close but I'll give you another 5% bringing it to 15% if you insist.

Oh, comparing an ak or sks price in the last few months to this little gun is so far out in left field that I have to wonder what you are even thinking. Other than that, blue book prices are generally close. But what do you know, do subscribe to a constantly updated blue book service?

And, $4 gas lasted a fairly short time! It didn't take long for OPEC to realize they were cutting their own throat.

jcwit
January 29, 2009, 07:11 PM
wyocarp it now obvious that You sir did not read my post. I did not compare the price of an AK or SKS to the little gun, it was pretty plain I was comparing the prices quoted in the B/B against what they are selling for at present.

Regarding whether I own one yes I happen to have 3 In my collection of pistols, have not shot any of them in 6 to 8 years. As far as jamming, stovepiping, or other feeding problems, I have none, guess I just live right. Regardless my owning any is a mote point.

My point has been on this thread that someone being on a tight budget it is a choice. As I stated on an earlier maybe the orginal poster should buy his wife nothing and whatever happenes happenes. Would it not be better for her to some kind of protection than none at all.

Are their better choices, most surely, any of my 45 autos "U.S. & Foreign" would be much better, but none of mine retail for less than $600.00. Any one of my dozen or so S/W revolvers in calibers from .38 to .44 would be better, but again they aren't available for Less than $500 to $600.00 retail.

As far as you stating that you currently know where 2 of them are selling for $50.00, That does the OP alot of good doesn't it.

BTW OPEC now realizes it's cutting it's own throat at present. Suppose that might be why they're cutting production, maybe, possibality, just the perviable shot in the dark. Mayhaps its also tied to the world economic down turn. golly gee

jcwit
January 29, 2009, 07:24 PM
One other enlightening fact regarding price. Check out Gun Broker and see what they are selling for, disregard those with no bids, only check those with bids. Amazing isn't it.

PRM
January 29, 2009, 07:26 PM
Years ago I had a Jennings .22. At the time I bought it, I gave $45.00 NIB. I got it for a plinker, and as best I can remember it was a pretty descent gun. It shot best with the hotter rounds. If a person could afford a better gun - I would definitely recommend it. On the other hand, many people over the years have been served well with cheaper firearms. At a minimum run some rounds through it, so you know what you have. Good luck and happy shooting.

pith43
January 29, 2009, 08:22 PM
I happen to have 3 In my collection of pistols, have not shot any of them in 6 to 8 years. As far as jamming, stovepiping, or other feeding problems, I have none, guess I just live right.

Na...you just don't shoot them. ;)

jcwit
January 29, 2009, 08:30 PM
They haven't been out of the pile for years, sonny boy. hehehehe

jocko
January 29, 2009, 08:37 PM
some poeple have wrote that if you get a good jennings that it will automatically dissasemble itself while shooting.

Hows that for a $60 guns, bet your glocks can't do that!!

C-grunt
January 29, 2009, 08:41 PM
A hot handloaded .40 will disassemble a Glock. :p

jcwit
January 29, 2009, 08:58 PM
Some have wrote many things, some have said many things, do you believe everything you read or hear? If so I feel sorry for you.

Come up with the facts, where are they?

Take a look at the web site I posted a few posts ago.

wyocarp
January 30, 2009, 12:02 AM
jcwit, by your own testimonty, you don't like them enough to even think about shooting them even once in the past 6 - 8 years. That should speak volumes to everyone here.

I'm done. :banghead:

JWJacobVT
January 30, 2009, 12:08 AM
The J22 is great for shooting animals on the trap line. Of course I had a sterling 22. My wife loves her 642, but prefers my S&W 65 4 inch when practicing.

ZO6Vettever
January 30, 2009, 08:13 AM
Long_Range_Mauser

What about a .380. Local shop sells Hi-Points for $145.

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Bryco Jenning are junk, I have a Buddy with 2 380's, both unreliable. Hi-Point's are supposed to be a pretty good gun but they weigh in at 32 oz.'s. The 9mm is about the same price and ammo is better and cheaper.

charliewood
January 30, 2009, 08:20 AM
if i loved my wife i wouldnt get her a j22 . mine shot two times then jammed on every third shot. i GAVE it away after warning the friend i gave it to. i just couldnt sell it in good concious

expvideo
January 30, 2009, 09:05 AM
Key word in your post expvideo is

"OPINION"
Actually, the keyword was "experience".

They are pieces of crap. I say that from experience. If you can get through a mag without a stovepipe, it must be a limited edition.

(I hope the operative word that illustrates my point the best is clear enough to see this time)

BTW, if you're paying more than $75, you are being ripped off. Just because a couple people on gun broker are being ripped off, doesn't mean that the value of a Jennings has increased.

Duke of Doubt
January 30, 2009, 09:22 AM
charliewood: "if i loved my wife i wouldnt get her a j22 ."

He didn't say he loved her.

mbt2001
January 30, 2009, 09:32 AM
Between jamming and stovepiping and feeding failures

This is the problem most people have with the Lorcin Family pistols. I will diagnose and cure 90% of them right here.

Stovepipe = Get a new extractor

Failure to feed = Use round nose bullets of the Reminton / American Eagle variety

Jamming - This is a bit stickier since "jamming" could cover a lot of things, but a new mag would be my first move, second would be removing burrs on the slide (interior), feed ramp and barrel throat / forcing cone.

I WILL SAY AGAIN, 1911's USE TO BE THE SAME WAY, THEY WOULD ONLY SHOOT BALL AMMO AND HAVE TO HAVE SEVERAL TWEAKS BEFORE BEING CONSIDERED RELIABLE...

There are better guns than the Lorcin family, BUT I don't think any of them can be had for $45 (which is what I paid for my 2 .25's each), or $60 which is what I paid for 3 .380's (ea.).

Honestly they shoot fine. The Lorcin .380 is one of the most accurate guns I have ever seen. After a few tweaks, guess what? NO problems. Can go through magazine after magazine and no problems at all. Using the right ammo of course. Using Full metal jackets isn't a great SD / CCW move, so these are more of a last ditch, or Katrinia (hide the others and let them confiscate those) or TEOTWAWKI pistols that i would trade for food etc...

They are also fun to work on and shoot.

I am a gun lover... I have never seen one I didn't like.

jcwit
January 30, 2009, 10:04 AM
wyocarp, I have firearms I haven't shot in 40 years, if I shot a different weapon every day it would take me till June to finish, I have Many I haven't shot in years and at my age may never get around to shooting again. But once again you have missed the point as its not whether or not I have shot them but whether on a limited budget it would suffice till something better can be acquired. As I've noted its better than nothing. Lets just tell the guy to throw stones at the perp.

Even tho I haven't fired them in years all of mine I now realize are Limited editions at least by your definition and you're world renowned experience.

jcwit
January 30, 2009, 10:21 AM
expvideo, I went back and reread you're post regarding experience. It was clear to me that you stated opinions and stated I had experience.

What can I say other than you're

right!

And if you would actually check on Gun Broker you would note its more than a couple (2). Oh well.

richyoung
January 30, 2009, 01:32 PM
To recap:

.22 rimfire is not suitable for self defense. It's better than nothing, but if one needs that level of reciol, use a centerfire - .25 ACP, or something bigger loaded down, like .38 Special target loads.

Jennings/Lorcin/jiminez/player-to-be-named-later are the LAST choice in defemsive pistol. Its better than nothing, but with the possible exception of a Derringer, it is the LEAST suitable. Unless you just LIKE firing pins coming back at your dominate eye at Mach 3 trying to spear it like a cocktail olive on a toothpick - (been there, done that).

$90 is too much to pay for a "Ring of Fire" used pistol. Step up to a Makorov or a good used wheel gun.

jcwit
January 30, 2009, 01:43 PM
Actually .22 rimfire has better penetration capabilties than the .25ACP. Both are in the better than nothing catagory.

mbt2001
January 30, 2009, 06:38 PM
Actually .22 rimfire has better penetration capabilities than the .25ACP. Both are in the better than nothing category.

The .22 does a better job penetrating, but the .25 makes up the ground in that 50 out of 50 pop...

I prefer .22's out of revolvers myself.

Carl N. Brown
February 4, 2009, 09:38 AM
My minimum suggestion for gun-out-of-the-box for self protection for a spouse sensitive to recoil, would be a Ruger 5-shot .357 snubbie (?SP101? IIRC) loaded with .38 Spl target wadcutters. Much more effective than any .22 or .25 round, and more reliable than any automatic. Plus great resale value.

Pilot1559
February 6, 2009, 09:55 PM
I have a Jennings Nine I bought in 2001 and it fires fine. If I knew that I had to carry a gun that I knew I was going to fire...I most certainly wouldn't be my first choice. I have to ask as a matter of common sence however, when one carries a handgun for self defense, as I did when I was living outside of the Anti-States of America (New Jersey) when a confrontation occurs and a handgun is drawn, how many times are they actually fired in self defense? Most if not all criminals are going to turn tail and run when they see a handgun at all. None are going to admire the fact that you have a Baretta or a Walther or a S&W. They are certainly not going to look to see if you have a Jennings/Bryco etc and assume it's not going to work. If you are in the foothills of California and need to protect yourself from bobcats and coyotes, I would definitely invest some money in a reliable gun, but for personal defense against a person, honestly, I don't think it makes that much of a difference.

I know...maybe that one time you have to use it bla, bla, bla, I have yet to meet a single person in my entire lifetime that has had to actually fire a gun that was drawn in self defense (Law enforcement aside).

Having the weapon as a deterrent against those that do you harm would serve you better than a dumb look when he asks for your wallet. So if the Jenny is all you can afford, it is better than nothing at all.

And yes, I have good guns as well...;)

aliasneo07
February 7, 2009, 02:26 AM
Please don't buy her one of those pieces of sh*t...

Go find a used S&W J Frame revolver. Maybe a .38 special.

kwelz
February 7, 2009, 10:38 AM
I would never buy a loved one something like that to defend their life with. Amazingly the defenders of these pistols make my case for me.

No out of the box pistol should need to have parts replaced on it for it to function properly. Nor should you be restricted to a couple exact types of ammunition.

There are plenty of inexpensive and reliable pistols out there. Don't trust your life to some second rate pot metal pistol that may or may not decide to work that day.

benderx4
February 7, 2009, 04:26 PM
Run away from that Jennings as fast as you can. Bought one out of a used gun case two years ago for $100 as it actually looked pretty good.

This gun is truly a toy. A VERY dangerous toy. Not something I would ever give to a family member.

I know it's a lot more money, but I ended up finding a sweet used S&W model 317 for $375. Eight rounds of CC Stingers out of a gun that weighs virtually nothing. Sometimes, when I go through my safe, I pick up the gun rug it's in, and put it to the side thinking its empty. Only after I can't find the 317 that I go back and realize I missed it. It's that light.

She's happy with it, and I'm happy that she's got something better than a sharp stick.

FiREhAwk
February 7, 2009, 10:21 PM
Like others have said, go for the .38 revolver(a Charter or Taurus can be had for $200 to $300 used or maybe new) or a kel-tec p32 or P3AT (which I carry) If she cant pull back the slide, chamber it for her. Even the 2 shot derringer pistol in a decent caliber would be better than nothing or jennings :barf:.

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