Shipping Magazines to Canada?


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FranklyTodd
January 26, 2009, 08:53 PM
Sorry for a dull as dust thread, but I'm trying to sell some mags, and a guy in Canada wants to buy them. Any issues shipping "gun parts" internationally?

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Quiet
January 26, 2009, 09:58 PM
I'm not fully into Canadian law, but I do know they have some sort of hi-capacity magazine ban (10 round max for handguns, 5 round max for semi-auto rifles) and if you ship something that is banned there, you could get arrested/fined for violating ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations).

Might want to contact BATFE or the US State Department to see what's what. Since those are the two US governmental organizations that will pop you for violating ITAR.

FranklyTodd
January 26, 2009, 10:37 PM
Thanks Quiet - I dug a little more after posting, and while it's a 10 rounder and so legal in Canada, from what I can see you need an export license to ship into Canada - not worth the effort for $50 worth of magazines!

nate18
January 26, 2009, 11:40 PM
ya canada sucks for gun laws we cant even own a .50 call sniper.....my dream rifle ex the barret m107 i love long range shooting and i cant own one....we suck but watever i hope to move to the us after im older

FranklyTodd
January 27, 2009, 08:46 AM
canada sucks for gun laws

The hopeful magazine buyer insisted it was legal, so I became curious enough to dig a little bit.

Actually in this case it's US law that forbids us "exporting" "firearms" to Canada. Under the CFR definition below, a magazine is in the same category as a "firearm" (read (a) along with (h)). It elaborates later to say aftermarket grips, slings, things like that are not covered (but clearly to me magazines are).

I read reference on some website about there being, at one time, an exception if the goods were under $100, but I didn't see any reference to that in the actual Code of Federal Regulations.

So - beware folks selling stuff on these boards, don't ship anything out of the US - it's not worth the risk!!

Category I--Firearms, Close Assault Weapons and Combat Shotguns

*(a) Nonautomatic and semi-automatic firearms to caliber .50
inclusive (12.7 mm).
*(b) Fully automatic firearms to .50 caliber inclusive (12.7 mm).
*(c) Firearms or other weapons (e.g. insurgency-counterinsurgency,
close assault weapons systems) having a special military application
regardless of caliber.
*(d) Combat shotguns. This includes any shotgun with a barrel length
less than 18 inches.
*(e) Silencers, mufflers, sound and flash suppressors for the
articles in (a) through (d) of this category and their specifically
designed, modified or adapted components and parts.
(f) Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications (See
category XII(c) for controls on night sighting devices.)
*(g) Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames) or complete breech
mechanisms for the articles in paragraphs (a) through (d) of this
category.
(h) Components, parts, accessories and attachments for the articles
in paragraphs (a) through (g) of this category.
(i) Technical data (as defined in Sec. 120.10 of this subchapter)
and defense services (as defined in Sec. 120.9 of this subchapter)
directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a)
through (h) of this category. Technical data directly related to the
manufacture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere
in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment
(SME) shall itself be designated SME.

[[Page 430]]

(j) The following interpretations explain and amplify the terms used
in this category and throughout this subchapter:
(1) A firearm is a weapon not over .50 caliber (12.7 mm) which is
designed to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or which
may be readily converted to do so.
(2) A rifle is a shoulder firearm which can discharge a bullet
through a rifled barrel 16 inches or longer.
(3) A carbine is a lightweight shoulder firearm with a barrel under
16 inches in length.
(4) A pistol is a hand-operated firearm having a chamber integral
with or permanently aligned with the bore.
(5) A revolver is a hand-operated firearm with a revolving cylinder
containing chambers for individual cartridges.
(6) A submachine gun, ``machine pistol'' or ``machine gun'' is a
firearm originally designed to fire, or capable of being fired, fully
automatically by a single pull of the trigger.
Note: This coverage by the U.S. Munitions List in paragraphs (a)
through (i) of this category excludes any non-combat shotgun with a
barrel length of 18 inches or longer, BB, pellet, and muzzle loading
(black powder) firearms. This category does not cover riflescopes and
sighting devices that are not manufactured to military specifications.
It also excludes accessories and attachments (e.g., belts, slings, after
market rubber grips, cleaning kits) for firearms that do not enhance the
usefulness, effectiveness, or capabilities of the firearm, components
and parts. The Department of Commerce regulates the export of such
items. See the Export Administration Regulations (15 CFR parts 730-799).
In addition, license exemptions for the items in this category are
available in various parts of this subchapter (e.g. Sec. Sec. 123.17,
123.18 and 125.4).

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