Introducing: The AR-15 Shotgun!?!?!


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zombienerd
January 28, 2009, 06:55 AM
Called the AT-14, made in turkey, fires .410 shotgun shells :D I wonder if the parts are interchangeable with a true AR, or if it's just "close enough" in looks to be deceiving.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/26/at-14-the-410-ar-15-shotgun/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/images-safirsilah-tm.jpg

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JWarren
January 28, 2009, 07:06 AM
If it has a good amount of interchangability, I want.


-- John

zombienerd
January 28, 2009, 07:15 AM
From world.guns.ru:
Type: semi-automatic
Gauge: .410 (36), 65 mm (2 1/2") chamber
Length: 960 mm (860mm for collapsible butt "S" models)
Barrel length: 510 mm (also 320 mm or 610 mm)
Weight 2.6 - 2.7 kg
Capacity: 9, 10 or 15 rounds in detachable box magazine
The T-14 shotgun was developed by Turkish company Safir Arms. It is broadly based on the famous Ar-15 / M16 rifle, but has several patented features necessary for reliable functioning with shotgun-type ammunition. At the present time it is offered in only one caliber, .410x65 (also known as 36 gauge, 2 /12 inch chamber). With .410 caliber bullet weighting 7.5 gram (116 grains) manufacturer claims muzzle velocity in 700 m/s (2,290 fps) range, providing muzzle energy of about 1,800 Joules (1,320 ft-lbs). The T-14 shotgun is semi-automatic only and is available in different barrel lengths to make it legal for civilian use in various countries that permit its citizens to own shotguns.

The T-14 shotgun is gas operated weapon with rotary bolt locking. The gas system utilizes annual (ring-type) short-stroke gas piston, located around the barrel. For maintenance and cleaning gas piston can be removed from the barrel after removing the front sight with its base. The bolt group externally resembles the Ar-15 bolt, but has redesigned bolt head with three radial lugs and ejector, optimized for rimmed shotgun shells. The receiver is similar in design to Ar-15 rifles, and made from aircraft-grade aluminum alloy and consists of two parts (upper an lower), connected by two cross-pins. Trigger unit and manual safety also resemble same units of the Ar-15 rifle. T-14 shotguns are produced either with integral, M16A2-type carrying handle and rear sight block, or with M16A3-type flat-top receiver with Picatinny rail. Furniture is made of plastic, and buttstocks are available either in fixed or in telescoped (M4-type) variety. Detachable box magazines are specially designed for rimmed shotgun ammunition.

Mike2
January 28, 2009, 08:03 AM
Bet that would be fun. Talk about a snake gun...

woodybrighton
January 28, 2009, 08:21 AM
its legal in the UK although it does'nt apprantly cycle shells terribly well :uhoh:

chuckusaret
January 28, 2009, 09:45 AM
Looks good but Just paying more for a piece of crap to malfunction. I will stick with my age old reliable Mossbergs and Remingtons. They serve their design purpose and cost 1/10 of what a AR14 would cost. Looks don't count in a gun fight.

Prepster
January 28, 2009, 10:06 AM
I sense an absurd Saiga 20 vs. AR-14 thread in the future...

Rubber_Duck
January 28, 2009, 10:11 AM
It looks very badly proportioned with the carbine handguards and the 18" barrel. :barf:

Gunnerpalace
January 28, 2009, 11:12 AM
CMMG is making one too, I have a video in my blog.

Bartkowski
January 28, 2009, 11:16 AM
I usually prefer AR's to AK's, but it doesn't seem worth having a shotgun set up like that in .410. I would much rather have a Saiga in 20ga or 12ga.

I wonder how well it will cycle with the gas tube placement.

The Foo
January 28, 2009, 11:57 AM
What is everyone's sudden fascination with .410?

AgentAdam
January 28, 2009, 12:06 PM
I have always loved the .410 even though it is considered a black sheep. Most consider it a "youth" gun but i consider it an experts gun. I could have sworn there was already a saiga or other AK platform in .410.

rcmodel
January 28, 2009, 12:33 PM
I wonder how well it will cycle with the gas tube placement.Apparently it doesn't have a gas tube.

The description says it is short-stroke piston operated.

rc

Shear_stress
January 28, 2009, 01:06 PM
I'm waiting for the CMMG AR 12 gauge, if it ever exists as anything more than a 2009 SHOT Show mockup.

Almond27
January 28, 2009, 02:14 PM
There is a Saiga .410 made.

30mag
January 28, 2009, 02:45 PM
Why?
.410 use in SD seems not wise.

30mag
January 28, 2009, 02:46 PM
Why?

jpatterson
January 28, 2009, 04:25 PM
There has been posting of other rifles just like this, I somehow doubt it's the "first smoothbore shotgun modeled after an assault rifle". I'm with shear_stress on this one, I'll be waiting on a 12ga.

Quiet
January 28, 2009, 05:32 PM
hmmm...
12gauge in an AR type firearm.
Where have I seen this before.

DaeWoo/Gilbert USAS-12
http://us10.pixagogo.com/S5rgQ7KLjNs2fFhGTcDRI0EbYGdxArKY3WsSE5HJs1tGHACygrPT2FrP0QdED2OE96qDfoiEIiwlpbMRNUQ23FWPLRKudxgNkl/USAS12_033.jpg

Reclassified as a Destructive Device and banned from importation due to no meeting the "sporting purpose" definition to allow for importation.

earlthegoat2
January 28, 2009, 07:38 PM
410 also known as a 36 ga, I havent heard that one in ages. For all you young punks a 410 has a bore diameter of 410 which translates to about a 68 gauge. A 36 gauge would be around .500 cal. Back in the day someone decided to sell 410 ammo under the designation 36 gauge. I cant believe someone is still doing it.

That 15 rnd capacity is too cool though.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
January 28, 2009, 07:58 PM
Yep, .410 is 67.5 gauge. Make it in 28 or 20 ga and I might be interested.

ArmedBear
January 28, 2009, 09:42 PM
It'd be fun for skeet.

nalioth
January 28, 2009, 09:50 PM
This is hardly new.

It has been discussed before (http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF8&q=safir+site%3Athehighroad.org).

AgentAdam
January 29, 2009, 05:43 AM
With the .410 3" buckshot shell(5-00's), your only 2-3 less 00-buck shot than a 2 3/4" 12g(8/9-00's) and slug performance similar to a .357mag.It ain't no slouch. The .410 has very similar velocity and shot pattern as allot of 12g loads, just less shot per square inch in your pattern. I would recommend some of the all copper shells for one of these, or the all steel cases russian stuff .

So this AR ""style"" .410 came out before the .410 Saigi, because they are trying to claiming the first .410 assault rifle platform.

This reminds me that the 7.62x39,6.5mm,or 6.8mm( i forget wich) has the same case rim dimension as a .357sig(40S&W) and would make a nice carbine or SBR.Some one should make a .380acp/auto AR(maybe pistol) for ****z and gigglez as the case head is near identical to the .223. I would have went the rout of a .357mag before the .410 though.

4Freedom
January 29, 2009, 06:07 AM
I'll stick to my Saiga 12 ga semi auto wit hthe 12 round surefire mags, thank you very much. :) Not saying I wouldn't mind one of these, but when it comes to a shotgun I want all the power I can get.

Does anyone know when the AA-12 is going on the civilian market? Now that is really a gun I would love to have. If I can get full auto version I be in heaven :D


http://www.defensereview.com/stories/aa-12/U.S.%20Marine%20Firing%20AA-12%20Full-Auto%20Shotgun%20(AA12%20Machine%20Shotgun).jpg

minutemen1776
January 29, 2009, 04:08 PM
Is the AA-12 for real? It looks like a made-up prop for a sci-fi movie, like those goofy M1 Carbine monstrosities in "Planet of the Apes." :barf:

AgentAdam
January 30, 2009, 08:58 AM
Yes, it was on Future Weapons. You can see that episode and other demonstrations of it on YouTube. And yes it is dog ugly. The reason it is so un godly is because it has a built in recoil reduction device. Shoots very smoothly in full auto compared to the 12g Ak47's.I would rather have the Saiga than either of those and i am an AR fan.

Chisel Head
January 30, 2009, 10:12 AM
...Is the AA-12 for real?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syog9ETZ96g

I wonder how the Geneva Convention rules will be circumvented, since hollow-point rounds are illegal for military use:confused:

pmbiker
January 30, 2009, 11:17 AM
I'd guess buck shot or flat-point slugs.

AgentAdam
January 30, 2009, 12:39 PM
The saiga 12 makes this ole mans hair fly in the wind like fabio. That wire stock looks unforgiving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaLLj-XbQRY

20rnd drum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUe4NWiOq5A

pistol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYsQDq9_wvk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K-heFRwuWs

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