[Prof]

I am getting ready to sell a couple of my rifles in a particular caliber and will also sell the ammo I have for them. I talked to the counter person at my local UPS office and she said that I have to procure boxes which are PREPRINTED with "ORM-D, Small Arms Ammunition" in order to ship the ammo. She said they don't have labels and I can't print the info on a box. She suggested I check with WalMart, etc. for cast-off boxes that they have received ammo in. Does this sound right? Sounds like UPS is trying to make things as difficult as possible for gun people (so what's new? :rolleyes: )

[50 Shooter]

To ship ammo legally, you do have to mark it ORM-D. You could use photoshop or paintshop in your computer to make your own and then print them out and tape them to the box.

[Redlg155]

Give a call to UPS hazardous/restricted items section @ 1-800-554-9964.

I just gave them a call and they were very helpful. The operator told me that yes, your packages must be marked a certain way, but that you may do it yourself or you may purchase pre printed stickers at a store.

Doing it yourself is perfectly acceptable so long as it is correctly done.

She also had the exact information on how to do it and box specifications.

Good Shooting
RED

[EOD Guy]

49CFR 172.316(a) gives the requirements for the marking. It states: "Each non-bulk packaging containing a material classed as ORM-D must be marked on at least one side or end with the ORM-D designation immediately following or below the proper shipping name of the material. The ORM-D designation must be placed within a rectangle that is approximately 6.3mm (0.25 inches) larger on each side than the designation."

The proper shipping name should be "Cartridges, Small Arms"

There is no particular requirement that a preprinted marking be used,

Rich

[Prof]

Thank you, gentlemen! I appreciate your responses. Redlg155, I will call the UPS number you provided and see if I can get the name of a contact there as I know my local counter person will want to verify. I thought it was odd that we would have to provide the same kind of packaging that a manufacturer does. Thank you all again!

[MAKOwner]

Pack the stuff up in a box and call it tools, and ship it already. All of my guns and ammo get shipped as machine/automotive parts or tools now. Not worth the BS hassle to make the blissninnies happy. Screw this politically correct BS...

[EOD Guy]

I would not even think about shipping ammunition improperly. DOT still considers it a hazardous material and the combined fines for improper marking and shipping would amount to over $25,000.00 a day for each day the package is in transit. DOT is very aggressive in prosecuting HAZMAT violations.

[Kevlarman]

Please don't ship hazardous materials without properly marking them.

It's not abuot making the blisninnies happy, but about safety. I'm a sorter at UPS, and whenever I see a package with a HAZMAT label, it's my job to put them where they belong. You wouldn't put a box marked "explosive" next to a box that said "oxidizer," would you?

[Redlg155]

Screw this politically correct BS...

Properly marking your packages has nothing to do with being politically correct. It does have a lot to do with the safety of firefighters and emergency personnel in case of a fire on a truck or in a warehouse.

It costs you nothing more in time or money to follow a simple labelling procedure.

Good SHooting
RED

[WonderNine]

Safety of firefighters because of a truck fire or in a warehouse? Please....:rolleyes: like they're gonna know anyways....

Also I believe the ammo must be in a 200 lb. or higher burst rated box. It says the rating on most boxes used in shipping 50, 75, ect.

[DMK]

Whenever I receive ammo, I cut those little stickers off the box and save them. When I mail ammo, I just tape one to the box.

It doesn't cost extra to ship it. They just ask that it be properly labeled. Geeze guys, how hard is this? Some people just make trouble where there is none.

[EOD Guy]

Safety of firefighters because of a truck fire or in a warehouse? Please.... like they're gonna know anyways....

The whole purpose of the hazardous materials regulation is so that they DO know. That's why we have proper marking and labeling of packages, proper descriptions on shipping papers, and placarding of transport vehicles. What do you think those diamond shaped signs on trucks running down the highway are for? It's so that emergency responders can have an idea what hazardous materials are being shipped so they can take the proper precautions. Buildings containing large quantities of hazardous materials are also marked for firefighter information. Look for the four colored diamonds with numbers in the red, yellow and blue sections and a symbol in the white section. These give information about the hazards inside the building.

Not worth the BS hassle to make the blissninnies happy. Screw this politically correct BS...

Ask the 110 passengers and crew that died on Valuejet Flight 592 if the regulations are PC BS. They died because some people thought like that and shipped an oxygen generator without proper packaging, marking or labeling, and without informing the crew. As a result, the generator started a fire in the cargo hold and the aircraft went down in a Florida swamp, killing all aboard. DOT sent people to jail for that incident.

Also I believe the ammo must be in a 200 lb. or higher burst rated box. It says the rating on most boxes used in shipping 50, 75, ect.

The regulation only says that it must be a strong outside packaging, which means "the outermost enclosure which provides protection against the unintentional release of its contents under conditions normally incident to transportation". (49CFR, 171.8)

[treeprof]

It's fed law that you notify a shipper that a package contains a firearm. From the BATF FAQ's:

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be
used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]

[EOD Guy]

It's fed law that you notify a shipper that a package contains a firearm. From the BATF FAQ's:

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be
used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]

The FAQ is incorrect. If you go to the actual regulation, you will see that notification is only required when shipping to a nonlicensee. If you are shipping to an FFL holder, you are not legally required to notify the carrier.

[treeprof]

That's useful to know, tho I always let them know anyways because I don't want the hassle of trying to explain the real contents if I need to collect on package insurance for any reason.

[EOD Guy]

That's useful to know, tho I always let them know anyways because I don't want the hassle of trying to explain the real contents if I need to collect on package insurance for any reason.

That's the exact reason I recommend informing the carrier. Their policies may require notification and not telling them about a firearm in a package could hurt any insurance claim.